Bullet button legality in NYS

[dsdmmat]

See my previous post on that subject. Post # 20.

Then respond to that post.

see the edit. and F.O.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I very well could cut welded magazine out of a lower and not ruin the lower. It would take me less than 5 minutes with a dremel and 15 or so with a hand saw.

Ok. And when you do that, will the rifle function as designed. If so, can you do the same thing to the barrel and make it an SBR?

Can you do this with common tools on your belt on the fly?

If yes then it'll illegal. Although not written anywhere, permanence is what the average person cannot remove easily.

 

[dsdmmat]

Ok. And when you do that, will the rifle function as designed. If so, can you do the same thing to the barrel and make it an SBR?

Can you do this with common tools on your belt on the fly?

If yes then it'll illegal.

you must have the same press people as DSI.

 

[MilesTeg]

Ok. And when you do that, will the rifle function as designed. If so, can you do the same thing to the barrel and make it an SBR?

Can you do this with common tools on your belt on the fly?

If yes then it'll illegal.

Again I disagree with your train of thought here. The level of difficulty has no bearing on legality.

 

[Marine Cpl]

see the edit. and F.O.

You dodged the specific question. That's typical of you guys.

 

[dsdmmat]

AR-15 MAGAZINE LOCK

no spring, acts just like a Tnut. when unscrewed you can pull the magazine but without screwing it back in another magazine will not seat or stay.
So removable? yes. Detachable? no.

 

[dsdmmat]

You dodged the specific question. That's typical of you guys.

The question was irrelevant and worded incorrectly. Therefore it was not worthy of an answer.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Again I disagree with your train of thought here. The level of difficulty has no bearing on legality.

Oh but it does otherwise a recessed magazine release that you can only activate with a pinky would be legal.

 

[MilesTeg]

Oh but it does otherwise a recessed magazine release that you can only activate with a pinky would be legal.

Nope wrong again still would be magazine release no different from a standard one. Try again!

 

[Marine Cpl]

AR-15 MAGAZINE LOCK

no spring, acts just like a Tnut. when unscrewed you can pull the magazine but without screwing it back in another magazine will not seat or stay.
So removable? yes. Detachable? no.

Oh. Okay So all we have to do is remove our magazine catches and hold the magazine in.

I didn't know that the magazine has to seat. I must have missed that in the law.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Nope wrong again still would be magazine release no different from a standard one. Try again!

Thanks for proving my point. Same goes with the bullet button and the epoxied one that can release the magazine with a nail.

Thanks again.

 

[dsdmmat]

Oh. Okay So all we have to do is remove our magazine catches and hold the magazine in.

I didn't know that the magazine has to seat. I must have missed that in the law.

The magazine has to seat in order for it to be accepted (the ability to "accept" a detachable magazine) otherwise it is just inserted in the mag well. If the magazine cannot seat it is not functional (didn't you post something about you cannot be charged for a non functioning gun).

One thing to mention here, in NYS, in order to be convicted of Penal Law 265, the firearm has to be operable. So one cannot argue that removing a fixed magazine tube from a Mossberg 500 is accepting a detachable magazine. It can only accept one in an inoperable state.

ahhh yes you did.

 

[GUNSICK]

I can remove a SKS fixed 10 round magazine and replace with a detachable 30 rounder in less than a minute.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The question was irrelevant and worded incorrectly. Therefore it was not worthy of an answer.

Nice deflecting. You are learning from Darth.

I'll ask it again a different way. If a magazine can be detached whether by your finger, nail, pin, ect.... Can it accept another magazine?

 

[MilesTeg]

Thanks for proving point. Same goes with the bullet button and the epoxied one that can release the magazine with a nail.

Thanks again.

Your missing and cross reference points here. You are saying the amount of difficulty determines legality. It doesn't. Now in order to remove the magazine from and epoxied BB you then have to destroy/modify the existing rifle to make it illegal. These are two different principals that you can't seem to differentiate between the two.

 

[dsdmmat]

Nice deflecting. You are learning from Darth.

I'll ask it again a different way. If a magazine can be detached whether by your finger, nail, pin, ect.... Can it accept another magazine?

detached is not the same as removed. So assuming I do not have to take something apart/modify or destroy parts to get the magazine out then the answer is potentially yes.

 

[thegatman]

That is why I "sunk" all my AR's

 

[Marine Cpl]

90

I can remove a SKS fixed 10 round magazine and replace with a detachable 30 rounder in less than a minute.

As written, the minute they produced the detachable magazine, the rifle fell under non compliance.

I do not agree with it but am going by the law as written.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Your missing and cross reference points here. You are saying the amount of difficulty determines legality. It doesn't. Now in order to remove the magazine from and epoxied BB you then have to destroy/modify the existing rifle to make it illegal. These are two different principals that you can't seem to differentiate between the two.

No they aren't. A nail and a whack removes the magazine right through the epoxy. The rifle isn't destroyed.

 

[dsdmmat]

Your missing and cross reference points here. You are saying the amount of difficulty determines legality. It doesn't. Now in order to remove the magazine from and epoxied BB you then have to destroy/modify the existing rifle to make it illegal. These are two different principals that you can't seem to differentiate between the two.

Correct that would make it the act of gunsmithing. Which is not illegal to do on your own, but it is illegal for the cops to do to make your weapon not comply

 

[Marine Cpl]

detached is not the same as removed. So assuming I do not have to take something apart/modify or destroy parts to get the magazine out then the answer is potentially yes.

Site definition please. You are grasping for straws.

 

[dsdmmat]

Site definition please. You are grasping for straws.

No you are completely wrong and are failing to acknowledge it. The law has to have definitions in order to be enforcable.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Correct that would make it the act of gunsmithing. Which is not illegal to do on your own, but it is illegal for the cops to do to make your weapon not comply

Whacking a nail is not gunsmithing.

 

[GUNSICK]

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As written, the minute they produced the detachable magazine, the rifle fell under non compliance.

I do not agree with it but am going by the law as written.

As written my ass. Total bs.

 

[dsdmmat]

Whacking a nail is not gunsmithing.

sorry Will but, I am going to have to put you on ignore, my brain cannot handle your incomprehensible reasoning anymore.

 

[Marine Cpl]

No you are completely wrong and are failing to acknowledge it. The law has to have definitions in order to be enforcable.

Not true. There is no definition for pistol and people are convicted everyday.

 

[Marine Cpl]

As written my ass. Total bs.

I agree that it's BS. But no one can say that an SKS cannot accept a detachable magazine.

 

[Marine Cpl]

sorry Will but, I am going to have to put you on ignore, my brain cannot handle your incomprehensible reasoning anymore.

Typical response when someone cannot answer a simple question because the true answer doesn't favor their argument.

 

[Phazer]

Check, please.

 

[GUNSICK]

I agree that it's BS. But no one can say that an SKS cannot accept a detachable magazine.

Just like no one can say an AR with a fixed mag cannot accept a detachable magazine.