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Assuming micro-stamping is possible, feasible, and workable, the fact that for every major mass manufacturing process to be successful the major parts of any machine have to be interchangeable. That alone will negate any benefit/value/evidence the Government thinks it is going to get out of this law.

think about it: swap a barrel, slide or firing pin and you have a different number or a work around for the number. Pick up brass from a range and reload it the you have the potential for cases with two or more numbers from different guns loaded in a magazine. Then you have remanufactured ammo companies who buy and use once fired brass. The potential for having micro stamped brass from other communist states showing up in the PRNY will drive the “authoritarians” crazy.
 
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Who knew that NYS had passed this law? I was certainly unaware. The good news is that a 2A friendly SCOTUS and some Federal District courts have been using Heller, Bruen, McDonald, Caetano, etc. to slowly knock holes in anti 2A laws nationwide. The microstamping portion of the CA law has been knocked down recently.

As the Moderator and others say, this law in it's current form is ineffective if and when it's requirements for microstamping are put into action. Work arounds are simply unintended consequences of lawmakers who as others have pointed out here "don't know how to screw in a light bulb" let alone how a gun actually works. Unfortunately, what they do know is that once their ridiculous and unworkable laws go into effect, they can make more ridiculous and unworkable laws to try and fill in against the myriad of gaps and work arounds. The consequence of one party city folk dominated legislative power and unfettered access to taxpayer funds for color of law prosecutions (persecutions) by the NYSAG (ala cease and desist letters to 80% lower makers before any law went into effect banning their product sales in NYS) is a long long legal road through democrat socialist state and district courts with years of slow movement (and purposeful delays by the government) and costly appeals before cases potentially move to SCOTUS (hopefully a friendly one, ie: don't forget the time gap from Heller in 2008 to Bruen in 2022) only to be ignored or circumvented by new unconstitutional laws (CCIA). We The People suffer the consequences through fines, imprisonment, delay and deprivation of rights, and costly defenses leading to loss of wealth and income. It's depressing that enforcement mechanisms and discipline are not in place or are not used by SCOTUS, district courts or the corrupt DOJ and AG's to slap down this bad behavior by inferior courts and lawmakers in a powerful way.

Bright spots are showing up and give us hope like rulings from St. Benitez and recent rulings against the ATF. I look forward to Chevron being crushed and lenity being the rule of the day. But I don't see a day when it won't be tough as our side continually plays by the rules while the other side willfully does not.

In my opinion, the first rule or law of lawmaking should be to require researching federal and state constitutions (and local laws if a proposed local law) and document in the new law by citing references to text, history and tradition and historical analogues the reasons that the new proposed law meets constitutional and if local also local law requirements. Only after that exercise, should a law go into effect. This requirement should extend to any court cases to the extent that the government may only use these citations and examples referenced when making a law in any and all court defense(s) of such a law. That would potentially streamline court challenges as certain reasoning(s) is/are ruled unconstitutional and or against local law or authority and removed from use as a defense. Wishful thinking on my part.
 
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dean3690 said:
Who knew that NYS had passed this law? I was certainly unaware. The good news is that a 2A friendly SCOTUS and some Federal District courts have been using Heller, Bruen, McDonald, Caetano, etc. to slowly knock holes in anti 2A laws nationwide. The microstamping portion of the CA law has been knocked down recently.

As the Moderator and others say, this law in it's current form is ineffective if and when it's requirements for microstamping are put into action. Work arounds are simply unintended consequences of lawmakers who as others have pointed out here "don't know how to screw in a light bulb" let alone how a gun actually works. Unfortunately, what they do know is that once their ridiculous and unworkable laws go into effect, they can make more ridiculous and unworkable laws to try and fill in against the myriad of gaps and work arounds. The consequence of one party city folk dominated legislative power and unfettered access to taxpayer funds for color of law prosecutions (persecutions) by the NYSAG (ala cease and desist letters to 80% lower makers before any law went into effect banning their product sales in NYS) is a long long legal road through democrat socialist state and district courts with years of slow movement (and purposeful delays by the government) and costly appeals before cases potentially move to SCOTUS (hopefully a friendly one, ie: don't forget the time gap from Heller in 2008 to Bruen in 2022) only to be ignored or circumvented by new unconstitutional laws (CCIA). We The People suffer the consequences through fines, imprisonment, delay and deprivation of rights, and costly defenses leading to loss of wealth and income. It's depressing that enforcement mechanisms and discipline are not in place or are not used by SCOTUS, district courts or the corrupt DOJ and AG's to slap down this bad behavior by inferior courts and lawmakers in a powerful way.

Bright spots are showing up and give us hope like rulings from St. Benitez and recent rulings against the ATF. I look forward to Chevron being crushed and lenity being the rule of the day. But I don't see a day when it won't be tough as our side continually plays by the rules while the other side willfully does not.

In my opinion, the first rule or law of lawmaking should be to require researching federal and state constitutions (and local laws if a proposed local law) and document in the new law by citing references to text, history and tradition and historical analogues the reasons that the new proposed law meets constitutional and if local also local law requirements. Only after that exercise, should a law go into effect. This requirement should extend to any court cases to the extent that the government may only use these citations and examples referenced when making a law in any and all court defense(s) of such a law. That would potentially streamline court challenges as certain reasoning(s) is/are ruled unconstitutional and or against local law or authority and removed from use as a defense. Wishful thinking on my part.
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I certainly ly knew it went into effect and it was discussed here at length.
I mean that’s great you think it’s unworkable and will be struck down by a court but that will take years and years if it ever happens. The one thing I know is when it goes into effect and not if guns will either be more expensive or be unavailable in NYS until it goes through said court case. Plus who knows by then the Supreme Court might not be so friendly.
Not to mention nothing has changed for us in NYS and the Supreme Court reversed the Roe v Wade case so the liberals will happily repay us the favor with Bruen when they are in charge again. This is a losing battle and the liberals are spreading and winning more ground every year.
I can tell you I was at a few stores today and I seen and heard more people that were non native USA citizen today than I ever have in my life. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing but I sure bet they are turning NYS red.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
I certainly ly knew it went into effect and it was discussed here at length.
I mean that’s great you think it’s unworkable and will be struck down by a court but that will take years and years if it ever happens. The one thing I know is when it goes into effect and not if guns will either be more expensive or be unavailable in NYS until it goes through said court case. Plus who knows by then the Supreme Court might not be so friendly.
Not to mention nothing has changed for us in NYS and the Supreme Court reversed the Roe v Wade case so the liberals will happily repay us the favor with Bruen when they are in charge again. This is a losing battle and the liberals are spreading and winning more ground every year.
I can tell you I was at a few stores today and I seen and heard more people that were non native USA citizen today than I ever have in my life. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing but I sure bet they are turning NYS red.
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I feel like I'm at an airport when I go to certain stores... not being racist/judgemental/etc.
 
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I really do not know if you are joking or not.
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I expect/hope to receive a package soon after turkey day, and then plan to take a drive to PA in a few weeks... no joke here. +,- 100 miles one way so I'll try and pick a nice sunny day for the ride. I'll call ahead of time to see if you have what I'm looking for :)
 
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PA Guns & Ammo said:
I really do not know if you are joking or not.
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It was a joke because of all the stuff that’s been posted here about how we’re not allowed or tripper lying in wait for us to cross the boarder. Next people will think the NYSP are using satellites to catch us buying ammo in PA. Dang I should not have given anyone any ideas. It’s all over now.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
It was a joke because of all the stuff that’s been posted here about how we’re not allowed or tripper lying in wait for us to cross the boarder. Next people will think the NYSP are using satellites to catch us buying ammo in PA. Dang I should not have given anyone any ideas. It’s all over now.
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I think I've seen apache and cobras waiting.
 
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So with AB 8443 pending let's all list our ways to circumvent the new law again so Gov Bucktooth can pass another law after it!
 
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Ever stop to think these restrictions passed under the guise of Crime Control would be a moot point if the Democrats actually prosecuted and punished criminals?...I suppose if they did, they wouldn't have a crisis to exploit.
 
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Just made a trip to the local Native American reservation. Found a store there selling ammo tax free with no background check. Bought $3k of ammo.
Or wait, maybe I did not and this was all made up. I guess nys will have to waste time and money investigating something that may or may not have happened. Would be a shame if tons of people made the same statements
 
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