California bans pistols that accept switches - here we go

[Saltwater60]

This needs swift action by the courts to strike this down but we will see if this happens. The Supreme Court justices should make their path known almost immediately so this can be handled appropriately.
Sorry for linking MDA but their article was the best on what this law actually does. Other media outlets are calling it a Glock ban or a machine gun conversion ban but it’s much more and bans any firearm that easily can be converted with a switch type device to a machine gun

FACT SHEET: AB 1127 Stops the Spread of DIY Machine Guns in California

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — This session, Assemblymember Jesse Gabriel introduced AB 1127 to stop the spread of illegal DIY machine guns in California, continuing California’s efforts to respond to emerging threats …

momsdemandaction.org

 

[Old Jalopy]

This is exactly why I'm calling bullshit on the Trump administration and their lies on restoring our gun rights. This shouldn't be going on if they were actually doing a damn thing. It's getting worse, not better.

 

[Saltwater60]

This is exactly why I'm calling bullshit on the Trump administration and their lies on restoring our gun rights. This shouldn't be going on if they were actually doing a damn thing. It's getting worse, not better.

I agree our rights will not be restored. Heck if anything good on the 2a comes during his administration I’ll be pleasantly surprised but you can’t blame Trump for this. He should be condemning it and saying it’s illegal while dedicating the AG’s office to fighting this but I doubt that will happen either. I fully expect NYS to do this soon.

 

[Old Jalopy]

NY will probably do so, but I have a feeling they are looking to go the route of MA soon, which has the worst anti-gun policies of the USA. As for Trump, he needs to put the foot down, and he handpicked these people who are failing us. He knew Bondi's past on gun rights, but he wanted a pretty face around, so we got what we got. If I hire someone to do a job and I know they probably won't do that job, I'm 100% at fault.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

"Death by a thousand cuts"

For every step forward, always takes us 3 steps backwards.

For Instance.... what did the NY v Bruen SCOTUS decision get us in NYS.

Do you people really believe, any government, is going to give you back your rights?

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

It will be a tale of 2 worlds, states that have gun rights and states that are allowed to do whatever the hell they want with no recourse or accountability from superior courts.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

It will be a tale of 2 worlds, states that have gun rights and states that are allowed to do whatever the hell they want with no recourse or accountability from superior courts.

Exactly that, my friend.

 

[Bigfoot]

California gangbangers and other assorted criminals must be thinking that sucks...

Oh, wait, never mind. Criminals don't give a shit about gun people control laws.

 

[Cavalry]

I hate these click bait videos, its a bill not a law. Noting has passed the assembly let alone there is not a companion bill nor has it been signed into law. I'm not saying those things are not possible or likely but its like the cornucopia of bullshit bills in NY they they try ever session.

 

[Old Jalopy]

"Death by a thousand cuts"

For every step forward, always takes us 3 steps backwards.

For Instance.... what did the NY v Bruen SCOTUS decision get us in NYS.

Do you people really believe, any government, is going to give you back your rights?

There was a time when I had hoped someone would stand up for us. I drank the koolaid with Trump again, but I now realize, I was just trying to fool myself into a fantasy.

 

[Saltwater60]

I hate these click bait videos, its a bill not a law. Noting has passed the assembly let alone there is not a companion bill nor has it been signed into law. I'm not saying those things are not possible or likely but its like the cornucopia of bullshit bills in NY they they try ever session.

You may be right. I thought the amendment process in the case was an administrative process to the list of approved and unapproved guns in the state. I did not think this needed to be passed by the houses of the government but I could be wrong. The video led me to believe it passed already. I had trouble finding anything concrete on it but a lot of the videos and titles said Glock’s banned in CA. It’s hard at times to keep up on all this crap.

https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB1127/id/3193885

 

[Old Jalopy]

We never know what was passed, still on voye, or rjmor mill anymore. But, sadly, things like this are a possibility in the morning and a law in the afternoon.

I read something not to long ago that even in CA shooting sports and even huner numbers were on the uptick and due to younger people. Not sure where I read it though as it's all a jumble these days. But if it was factual maybe there's going to be a shift in favor of gun rights, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

There was a time when I had hoped someone would stand up for us. I drank the koolaid with Trump again, but I now realize, I was just trying to fool myself into a fantasy.

You`re not alone. I gave up thinking that NY could be saved. As for the country as a whole, there`s still some hope, but not alot when you see the likes of what this government is doing to its people. Alot of people question where ALL this sh!t lands at the end of his term. A few crumbs at a snails pace is not going to fix any of it. Executive orders are just a band-aid. It only covers the wound for a very short time, but the scars will always remain. Congress is the only ones who can fix this mess with unconstitutional gun control crap. But will they? I`m not betting MY life on it.

 

[GOPerfect]

Good for them. The citizens of the State continue to elect the same type of people, must be what the people want.

 

[Celt]

This is exactly why I'm calling bullshit on the Trump administration and their lies on restoring our gun rights. This shouldn't be going on if they were actually doing a damn thing. It's getting worse, not better.

Im not thrilled with the progress on restoring our 2a rights, but federal and state are two different things. Not that states should be violating the federal law, but its been the status quo.

Personally, there should be one, and only one standard across the entire United States, and thats "Shall Not be Infringed ".

 

[JunkBoxFull]

Im not thrilled with the progress on restoring our 2a rights, but federal and state are two different things. Not that states should be violating the federal law, but its been the status quo.

Personally, there should be one, and only one standard across the entire United States, and thats "Shall Not be Infringed ".

EXACTLY ^^^^^^^

 

[spat]

This needs swift action by the courts to strike this down but we will see if this happens. The Supreme Court justices should make their path known almost immediately so this can be handled appropriately.
Sorry for linking MDA but their article was the best on what this law actually does. Other media outlets are calling it a Glock ban or a machine gun conversion ban but it’s much more and bans any firearm that easily can be converted with a switch type device to a machine gun

FACT SHEET: AB 1127 Stops the Spread of DIY Machine Guns in California

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — This session, Assemblymember Jesse Gabriel introduced AB 1127 to stop the spread of illegal DIY machine guns in California, continuing California’s efforts to respond to emerging threats …

momsdemandaction.org

Doesn't federal law already say that something that is easily converted into a machine gun is a machinegun ?

So, if it isn't *currently* considered a machinegun, then it doesn't "accept" a component that converts it.

May not be logical, but gun laws seldom are.

FWIW, that's why the 3rd hole in an AR receiver is illegal even without the auto sear installed.

And the reason that DIAS and lightning links don't make *all* ARs machineguns is that the DIAS and the lightning link are themselves legally machineguns.

So attaching one to a plain AR doesn't make the AR a machinegun. It just enables the machinegun you already had to fire. Basically the stock AR is considered the accessory to the DIAS and not the other way around.

A glock switch is basically just a DIAS for a glock. All the same logic should follow.

 

[Saltwater60]

Doesn't federal law already say that something that is easily converted into a machine gun is a machinegun ?

So, if it isn't *currently* considered a machinegun, then it doesn't "accept" a component that converts it.

May not be logical, but gun laws seldom are.

FWIW, that's why the 3rd hole in an AR receiver is illegal even without the auto sear installed.

And the reason that DIAS and lightning links don't make *all* ARs machineguns is that the DIAS and the lightning link are themselves legally machineguns.

So attaching one to a plain AR doesn't make the AR a machinegun. It just enables the machinegun you already had to fire. Basically the stock AR is considered the accessory to the DIAS and not the other way around.

A glock switch is basically just a DIAS for a glock. All the same logic should follow.

That’s logic and you know as well as I do they don’t follow logic. They simply want to make it harder to get guns. I’d assume this list would be expanded.

 

[FP1201]

This is exactly why I'm calling bullshit on the Trump administration and their lies on restoring our gun rights. This shouldn't be going on if they were actually doing a damn thing. It's getting worse, not better.

It took a long time, but eventually Shelly Silver was Frog Marched out of the Capital in Handcuffs...Trump's only been in Office 90 days and we have 90 years of ass-raping anti-gun Laws....still, it's better than the Democrats.

 

[Acer-m14]

Doesn't federal law already say that something that is easily converted into a machine gun is a machinegun ?

The CURRENT ruling is ANYTHING the ATF can machine , manufacture and or convert to shoot a projectile

from a item they stole from you is now considered a machine gun rocket launcher ..

 

[Acer-m14]

Hey Cali ... FU

 

[Tisto]

Some of you just don't seem to understand the difference between FEDERAL and STATE. When DJT was re-elected, RAY CHARLES could see that all the anti 2A groups would start pushing their agenda at the STATE level, and they would focus on those 15-ish STATES that are deep blue. The anti's know that their time and resources would be thwarted on a FEDERAL level.

The SOLICITOR GENERAL is the ONE person in the FEDERAL gov't that steers public policy. DJT just had his solicitor general confirmed LAST WEEK. Without a SG, the AG has limited power and direction.

The left and never-Trump right are doing their best to create as much legal obstruction to Trump as they can. By doing this, they consume the time of those lawyers that COULD be working on policy, and instead have to fight the lawfare. TIME is the most prescious resource that Trump has. Those opposed to him know that WASTING TIME is their best way of preventing his agenda.

It's clear to me that many of you would not be happy unless Trump spent all day every day working on 2A issues. News flash : HE CAN'T DO THAT. THE 2A IS NOT THE ONLY ISSUE THIS COUNTRY HAS RIGHT NOW.



I'm no fan of Pam Bondi, but her actions to date have all been pro 2A. Her actions have all supported the restoration of our rights. Would I like to see arrests ? You're damn right I would ! But I understand that righting a floundering ship is far more important than making the Officers walk the plank. PRIORITIES.

 

[spat]

The CURRENT ruling is ANYTHING the ATF can machine , manufacture and or convert to shoot a projectile

from a item they stole from you is now considered a machine gun rocket launcher ..

Better switch to velcro shoes...

Where a Shoe String is a Machine Gun - The Truth About Guns

Chuck Neubauer of the Washington Times discovers something that firearms owners and especially manufacturers have been dealing with for, well, decades. And that’s the ATF’s arbitrary, often contradictory, definitions for what is – and isn’t – legal. Focusing on the agency’s opaque “letter...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

 

[JunkBoxFull]

Good for them. The citizens of the State continue to elect the same type of people, must be what the people want.

I could not agree more with you GP. Some people prefer to stay in the sewer and bring everyone else down into the sewer with them.

Sometimes you just have to let go and let it drown in its own excrement's. Stupid can`t be fixed in NY. NY gubbamint is a prime example of stupid.

 

[Grimscale]

you can’t blame Trump for this. He should be condemning it and saying it’s illegal while dedicating the AG’s office to fighting this

Exactly.
He should be doing SOMETHING about these States. Yet he is not.

Some of you just don't seem to understand the difference between FEDERAL and STATE.

so a State can say "fuck you" to the Federal Constitution and do what they want? So what's the point of having a Federal Constitution then?

The citizens of the State continue to elect the same type of people, must be what the people want.

I keep hearing this. And, for a long time, I believed it.
But after 2020, and looking back at other times the Republicans attempted (not very strongly, I admit) to take control and failed by the narrowest of margins, I'm starting to think there have been some shenanigans going on. Finding out NY uses Dominion machines was the icing on the cake.

I really don't think there is a true majority of stupidity or, if there is, voter apathy should have enabled more Repub wins. But they always manage to "pull the hat out of the rabbit" at the 23rd hour and maintain their majority.

Do you people really believe, any government, is going to give you back your rights?

Not without a lot of kicking and screaming, and they won't be "giving" it back.

But, ultimately, when the other three boxes have been opened and found insufficient to restore our Rights, there is only one left. And I find people very reluctant to even suggest opening that box.
I keep hearing people say "flee your homes, leave your families and friends". Our Founding Fathers would have a completely different approach.
If you have to flee your home because of tyranny there should be other actions taken first. But people have become so afraid of the government that it is a non-starter.
History has shown what happens when people get pushed to the edge. Unfortunately it always takes a lot of innocent deaths before that point is reached.

 

[Cooolone]

Arbitrary and capricious ... ANY firearm can be "MADE" into an Auto with the change of the sear... So shall ALL firearms be banned because they can be modified?

Is an extension of "Manufactured" violation of the law... Maybe Ban all firearms because there are now 3D machines available, or metal stock available, etc., etc... The slippery slope is steep with these morons!

Just bullshit from a bullshit land/State with misfit buffoonery in its Legislature!

 

[livingston]

"Death by a thousand cuts"

For every step forward, always takes us 3 steps backwards.

For Instance.... what did the NY v Bruen SCOTUS decision get us in NYS.

Do you people really believe, any government, is going to give you back your rights?

For a long time I had hope that the Supreme court could right the wrongs cast upon us by these tyrants serving in state governments ....We in NY State have had several lawsuits brought about by gun owners trying to achieve gun rights that we have lost. ....Only to have these issues cast aside at the highest levels.... We had no standing .... and the like. Look what has been thrust upon us in the last week... A case involving an illegal being deported with a criminal history heard in days if not hours after being submitted.... How does this come about ?

 

[spat]

Arbitrary and capricious ... ANY firearm can be "MADE" into an Auto with the change of the sear... So shall ALL firearms be banned because they can be modified?

Is an extension of "Manufactured" violation of the law... Maybe Ban all firearms because there are now 3D machines available, or metal stock available, etc., etc... The slippery slope is steep with these morons!

Just bullshit from a bullshit land/State with misfit buffoonery in its Legislature!

Someone should re-market one of those vibrating "adult toys" that you attach to your finger as a gun accessory.

"Instantly convert any semi auto firearm into a full auto".

About as useful as a bump stocks, but it would make a point.

Plus it would be hilarious for this to be the new gangbanger fashion accessory LOL.

 

[Old Jalopy]

Im not thrilled with the progress on restoring our 2a rights, but federal and state are two different things. Not that states should be violating the federal law, but its been the status quo.

Personally, there should be one, and only one standard across the entire United States, and thats "Shall Not be Infringed ".

I know state and federal are separate, but federal takes president. When states think they are of a higher authority, like the idiots running NY do, it's time they got put in check and held accountable for illegal actions.


I wish I could apologize, but we need to get things rolling with actual substance while we have the majority. To those saying wait and see, look where waiting in getting us. Nowhere. In fact waiting and dragging their feet is just resulting in more gun laws. I don't see what's hard to understand about that, it's right there in our faces.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

For a long time I had hope that the Supreme court could right the wrongs cast upon us by these tyrants serving in state governments ....We in NY State have had several lawsuits brought about by gun owners trying to achieve gun rights that we have lost. ....Only to have these issues cast aside at the highest levels.... We had no standing .... and the like. Look what has been thrust upon us in the last week... A case involving an illegal being deported with a criminal history heard in days if not hours after being submitted.... How does this come about ?

This happens because they have NO INTENTIONS of giving any of our gun rights back. That is the plan that they aren`t telling us.