Can 10mm Save the 1911?

[ECU Pirates]

Revolvers are for old man with flannel shirts that are set in their ways. 5 shots. No thank you. Oh! I'm mistaken. Some come in 6 shots. The military and police should upgrade to revolvers that allow only 3 double taps or less then right?

Smith 8 shot .357 mag sir.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Not size advantage over the acp?

What size advantage? The "full size" glock. 45gap holds 10 rounds, the compact holds 8

So it holds .45acp capacity and is shittier than .45acp

 

[Gonzobird]

Why does the 1911 need saving? People have been using it for over 100 years and i don't see any manufacturers ending production of them anytime soon....

 

[ECU Pirates]

What size advantage? The "full size" glock. 45gap holds 10 rounds, the compact holds 8

So it holds .45acp capacity and is shittier than .45acp

Some people can't handle a G21 or a G30 due to the grip size. The G37 is more similar in size to the 17. So you can have all that .45 caliber goodness in a Glock with a normal grip size. Seeing how in NY we can only have 10 some might find it to be a good pistol. I'm not one of them but some might like it.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I hope that when I get grey hair and they come out with a 12mm laser pistol, I'm not gonna be one of those guys that say a 9mm Glock is adequate enough and be outgunned by everyone else.

 

[ECU Pirates]

I'm going with a H&K in .45 super. Bring on the frying pans Will.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I'm going with a H&K in .45 super. Bring on the frying pans Will.

Super is a different animal. I'd carry it if it was more mainstream.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Some people can't handle a G21 or a G30 due to the grip size. The G37 is more similar in size to the 17. So you can have all that .45 caliber goodness in a Glock with a normal grip size. Seeing how in NY we can only have 10 some might find it to be a good pistol. I'm not one of them but some might like it.

So 10 rounds of .45gap In the same size as a g 17 which ok here in NY is 10 rounds,

.45 gap only produces 40lbs more energy at the muzzle.

So wait what advantage are you seeing?

 

[ECU Pirates]

So 10 rounds of .45gap In the same size as a g 17 which ok here in NY is 10 rounds,

.45 gap only produces 40lbs more energy at the muzzle.

So wait what advantage are you seeing?

If didn't say I was seeing the advantage I said some people. Some want a .45 cal glock and don't like the large grip of the 21. Energy is not the end all be all either but 40 pounds is still 40 pounds. If I wanted a 10 round .45 it would be of the super variety.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Hahha 40lbs is 40lbs? Yea pretty sure the body isnt going to be like oh shit I got hit with 860lbs of force thank god it wasnt 900 boy I sure lucked out

 

[ECU Pirates]

Hahha 40lbs is 40lbs? Yea pretty sure the body isnt going to be like oh shit I got hit with 860lbs of force thank god it wasnt 900 boy I sure lucked out

Ok so it 200 pounds ok? Were do you draw the line? Once again you brought up energy, not me. There are other factors that trump energy.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Ok so it 200 pounds ok? Were do you draw the line? Once again you brought up energy, not me. There are other factors that trump energy.

Like penetration?

 

[Upstate43]

Smith 8 shot .357 mag sir.

8 shot .357 magnum's....I'd say that makes a good case for revolvers. Heck, even 6 shot of .357 or .44 magnum makes sense for certain applications. A lot of guides and outdoorsmen are still carrying revolvers as dedicated wilderness protection sidearms.

People say the Glock 20 can serve in such a role. I suppose it's comparable to .357 magnum, but with the wide variation in 10mm loadings, I just don't have the same faith in a semi-auto 10mm as I do with a magnum revolver. Every other 10mm video that I've watched seems to have someone actually experiencing or mentioning an occurrence of a failure to feed or some other malfunction.

 

[Marine Cpl]

No way. 10mm Glocks are ultra reliable. You'd rather have a revolver with a 12 pound trigger that recoils all over the place after every shot than one that you can keep on target with more rounds?

 

[Gonzobird]

No way. 10mm Glocks are ultra reliable. You'd rather have a revolver with a 12 pound trigger that recoils all over the place after every shot than one that you can keep on target with more rounds?

Good point if you were a police and yeah I think you will find anyone here having a hard time arguing that any glock is not reliable.

But as most of us are civilians we are really only going to get off one or two shots if we have to use a handgun to defend. The only time a civilian has a right to shoot at a person in this state is if he or she is backed into a corner and has no other place to run. The laws here make it so we have to do everything including running away before we can actually defend ourselves and be able to call it a clean shoot. SO with that said if you pull a gun on someone and fire it will most likely be at arms length while you are getting beat in the head and if that is happening 1 shot with a big bore revolver or 600 shots with a semi auto pistol will have the same effect and you most likely wont miss with either one.

Yeah I carry a 5 shot S&W M36(chief's special) .38spl with me more times that not as I have to live in this stupid state.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Good point if you were a police and yeah I think you will find anyone here having a hard time arguing that any glock is not reliable.

But as most of us are civilians we are really only going to get off one or two shots if we have to use a handgun to defend. The only time a civilian has a right to shoot at a person in this state is if he or she is backed into a corner and has no other place to run. The laws here make it so we have to do everything including running away before we can actually defend ourselves and be able to call it a clean shoot. SO with that said if you pull a gun on someone and fire it will most likely be at arms length while you are getting beat in the head and if that is happening 1 shot with a big bore revolver or 600 shots with a semi auto pistol will have the same effect and you most likely wont miss with either one.

Yeah I carry a 5 shot S&W M36(chief's special) .38spl with me more times that not as I have to live in this stupid state.

what does being a cop have to do with anything. and you might want to read the law or take a class on going over self defense laws of NY.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Good point if you were a police and yeah I think you will find anyone here having a hard time arguing that any glock is not reliable.

But as most of us are civilians we are really only going to get off one or two shots if we have to use a handgun to defend. The only time a civilian has a right to shoot at a person in this state is if he or she is backed into a corner and has no other place to run. The laws here make it so we have to do everything including running away before we can actually defend ourselves and be able to call it a clean shoot. SO with that said if you pull a gun on someone and fire it will most likely be at arms length while you are getting beat in the head and if that is happening 1 shot with a big bore revolver or 600 shots with a semi auto pistol will have the same effect and you most likely wont miss with either one.

Yeah I carry a 5 shot S&W M36(chief's special) .38spl with me more times that not as I have to live in this stupid state.

So if as a civilian you find yourself in a mass shooter situation, you'll only need 2 or 3 rounds? What if he's using a commercial truck mowing down people at a county fair or there are 5 people indiscriminately killing people at your bank or local bar/club and you are going to be one of them?

Things like that weren't common back in the day but can happen now.

 

[Edwardteach72]

So if as a civilian you find yourself in a mass shooter situation, you'll only need 2 or 3 rounds? What if he's using a commercial truck mowing down people at a county fair or there are 5 people indiscriminately killing people at your bank and you are going to be one of them?

"no because i dont actually know New York state use of force laws, i just go off old antiquated stories that some 79 year old fudd at my local trap shoot said, i can only shoot someone if they break into my house and i lock myself into my bedroom and i ask them 7 times to please leave, otherwise its considered murder if its any other scenario"

 

[Gonzobird]

Well... ok those are all crazy scenarios. You got me there. But if 5 guys are shooting up a bank or bar(why do you have a firearms at a bar? Alcohol and guns... bad mix) sure you can get up pull and shoot one or maybe even two before they gun you down. They guy in the truck mowing down people at a state fair. Yup you got me there. Unload on the truck. You might hit the driver. You might hit 9 other people as the bullets wiz past the truck. Not to be offensive but i think those are poor examples.
Go ask a cop and judge and a lawyer. They will all tell you that in this state the citizen has a duty to retreat and not to use deadly force. The self defense coarse i took told us the same thing. What is it penal law 35 or 36? i forget it has been awhile since i read it... It has a lot to do with the person knowing beyond a doubt that there will or is a crime going on and that a citizen is not allowed to take the law into his or her own hands. It is a fucked up and poorly written law. Even in your own house you cant be the "instigator". Even a shithead prosecutor could turn "leave my property or I shoot" into instigating. Even cops get charged with murder if they shoot someone. It is all about what the judge decides if it was a clean shoot and allows prosecution.

Ok now go and shout and rant about how you are allowed to go shoot people and assume that you are the only one that took a self defense course.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Wait are you saying you cant be responsible enough to go out with friends at a bar and not drink maybe even be their DD. I used to do it all the time, hell did almost a full year of going to the bars multiple times in a week/weekend and not once did I drink. Oh but i guess based on your logic because i was at a Bar hanging out with friends i shouldn't be able to defend myself

 

[Gonzobird]

Well good for you then. Remind me to send you a medal or something.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Well good for you then. Remind me to send you a medal or something.

So you are admitting that you are not responsible enough to be around alcohol and not drink? Or are you admitting that one could be at a bar and still carry responsibly?

 

[Edwardteach72]

Ou and you bull shit "even in your own house" example yea sorry one does NOT have a duty to retreat ones house even in NY

 

[Edwardteach72]

And the judge doesnt decide its the DA. But you know common legal protocol and what not

 

[redtail]

Old people suck , they are like.. so stupid and stuff.

 

[ECU Pirates]

No way. 10mm Glocks are ultra reliable. You'd rather have a revolver with a 12 pound trigger that recoils all over the place after every shot than one that you can keep on target with more rounds?

The 20 is. The 29 is not always.

 

[71velle]

Sorry but the .45 gap has been proven to be completely useless, offering no advantage over any round and compete draw backs

Please elaborate on useless and you saying it can not stop a threat?

 

[71velle]

I don't think you want to go down that rabbit hole. There are many videos that'll disappoint you.

Please post. I will not be disappointed, I have no emotional attachment to any of the calibers. I thought that the guys channel was interesting because he used the same model of pistol in different calibers and also had several videos fo shooting different stuff.

 

[71velle]

Revolvers are for old men with flannel shirts that are set in their ways. 5 shots. No thank you. Oh! I'm mistaken. Some come in 6 shots. The military and police should upgrade to revolvers that allow only 3 double taps or less then right?

Is there something wrong with flannel shirts?

 

[71velle]

So 10 rounds of .45gap In the same size as a g 17 which ok here in NY is 10 rounds,

.45 gap only produces 40lbs more energy at the muzzle.

So wait what advantage are you seeing?

Muzzle energy does not mean much to me, 40 lbs more and it more is better..... But the 45 does make a hole in the target that is up to 25% bigger than 9mm and thats more too...