"Can Trump Win Without Getting Right on the Vaccines?" - America Out Loud

[John Stark]

He let them? They came after him like no man in modern history. They impeached him twice. Both based on a lie. The appointment of a special prosecutor who was hand picked by the very person involved in the soft coup kept Trump from being able to do anything. If he fired them, it was “obstruction “ remember? At would give them legal grounds to impeach and imprison him even if he was innocent of whatever they would come up with.
He was undercut right from the beginning before he knew how they played the game — go see Comey’s interview about Mike Flynn. The RINOs had betrayed Trump when he attempted to make peace with the establishment. He knows better now.

Poor baby billionaire Donny Trump. My heart bleeds for the guy.

This is the smart, savvy billionaire who held YUGE rallies all over the country talking about how he was the right man for the times, that as a Big Business billionaire he had first hand experience dealing with both the system and the scum who work it, and admitting that he played the bribery and kickback game known as political "donations" because he "knew it was the only way to do business" in a corrupt system of quid pro quo. The same guy that got the masses chanting lock her up, and as soon as he won the election came out and said that the Clinton's are really good people and he wasn't going to go after them. The same guy who said he understood how big the swamp was, and that he was going to drain it.

Now what we're supposed to believe is that he was ambushed by a "unfair, very unfair" system that lied about him and played dirty political and legal tricks on him.

This is the same savvy guy who IN FACT came out of nowhere and brilliantly initiated a hostile takeover of not only the the Republican party to beat all comers for the nomination, but also the Hilldog in the general election for the White House, right? I watched him take over the system in real time, and applauded him for it and voted for him because of it, so I'm no shrinking violet or Trump snowflake. I even voted for the asshole the second time around to keep Biden out, though it gagged me to do so.

The guy had political acumen out the ass, but its always poor, poor Deceived Donny. Betrayed by Brutus eh?

The same guy that was so politically savvy, who built casinos, hotels, and golf clubs all over the world and knew how to do business, didn't understand that "personnel is policy" before shining the presidential chair with his ass?

When Bubba Clinton got into the White House, just about one of the first thing he did (just before lining himself up for a BJ in the Oval) was fire every US Attorney and the head of the FBI. What did Deceived Donny do? He fired Comey, and gave us.... Christopher fucking Ray, while letting that shit weasel Jeff Sessions run the table on him through the DOJ. All while praising the FIB agents who were running Crossfire Hurricane on his ass.

Maybe if he wasn't so savvy, he'd have known to clean house BEFORE they pulled a Nixon on him? Hmmm.

So savvy he punked out! He didn't have any balls after all, and his time in the Oval was more important to his ego than actually addressing the stuff he claimed he was going to address.

He surrounded himself with people he knew would betray him, but he's a victim? Meanwhile, he was unlawfully allowing his own fucking family members handle domestic and foreign policy matters even though they were NOT appointed officials or confirmed in any way by Congress.

He could have fired LOTS of traitors and turncoats before Russia, Russia, Russia really got rolling.

He was, at best, incompetent and blinkered, and at worst, complicit; going along to get along for his own political purposes and benefit.

Trump did get the vaccine made in record time. And he should take full credit for it. It saved many lives. Certain people absolutely needed it. It was the democrats vaccine mandate is the issue and Trump had nothing to do with the mandate

Another True Believer in the efficacy of the vax.

Lets start with the obvious. The vax never stopped transmission, and it was never a prophylactic. That is, it did not give immunization, it did not stop the spread, it did not lessen symptoms, and it did not serve as a cure. Even the fucking CDC has had to admit this. No one but mind numbed zombies believes anything about the vax lies.

Furthermore, Trump signed lots of orders that helped prime the pimp for the absolute panic that ensued. He blew billions and trillions on propping up the medical industry that was getting paid lots of extra money to make sure that WuFlu protocols were followed, which killed lots of people in hospitals and nursing homes. The money and the impetus from government does NOT absolve the man from helping the scam along in any way, shape, or form. He didn't need to institute a federal lockdown, because the governors had free reign, thanks to his recklessness or complicity, to do it themselves and violate the Rights of Americans all across the country without any action on his part against that. A large part of his job was to execute Executive authority to protect the American People against crime, lies, scams, and so on. He failed utterly and purposefully got behind the vax push that led to almost total nationwide mandates with hardly more than a tepid response from the "savvy" billionaire. He let Fauci and Birx fearmonger the entire nation on wall to wall TV for the entire, miserable last year of his administration.

That doesn't even touch the nation wide riots that everyone got to enjoy that he did almost nothing about, even though he was the Commander in Chief and had a duty to put that shit down, with force if necessary. Of course, he couldn't do that either, right? Because he lacked the authority?

No, because he had no control over his own military commanders, and he didn't have the balls to fire them either when he had the chance and certainly should have known better. The very same ball washing scum who are STILL generals and admirals to this day, who are gutting our military, have made our soldiers, seamen, marines, and pilots take a mandatory shot or be disgraced with discharge, and who are pushing fucking transfeaks to "maintain combat reediness." Those generals were Trump's generals long before President Pudding Pop made use of them.

GTFO!

ETA: (PS. Warpspeed was in the works before Deceived Donny was even in office. He didn't bring it to market in record time. He fell in line, like a good little boy.)

 

[Truebeliever]

Poor baby billionaire Donny Trump. My heart bleeds for the guy.

This is the smart, savvy billionaire who held YUGE rallies all over the country talking about how he was the right man for the times, that as a Big Business billionaire he had first hand experience dealing with both the system and the scum who work it, and admitting that he played the bribery and kickback game known as political "donations" because he "knew it was the only way to do business" in a corrupt system of quid pro quo. The same guy that got the masses chanting lock her up, and as soon as he won the election came out and said that the Clinton's are really good people and he wasn't going to go after them. The same guy who said he understood how big the swamp was, and that he was going to drain it.

Now what we're supposed to believe is that he was ambushed by a "unfair, very unfair" system that lied about him and played dirty political and legal tricks on him.

This is the same savvy guy who IN FACT came out of nowhere and brilliantly initiated a hostile takeover of not only the the Republican party to beat all comers for the nomination, but also the Hilldog in the general election for the White House, right? I watched him take over the system in real time, and applauded him for it and voted for him because of it, so I'm no shrinking violet or Trump snowflake. I even voted for the asshole the second time around to keep Biden out, though it gagged me to do so.

The guy had political acumen out the ass, but its always poor, poor Deceived Donny. Betrayed by Brutus eh?

The same guy that was so politically savvy, who built casinos, hotels, and golf clubs all over the world and knew how to do business, didn't understand that "personnel is policy" before shining the presidential chair with his ass?

When Bubba Clinton got into the White House, just about one of the first thing he did (just before lining himself up for a BJ in the Oval) was fire every US Attorney and the head of the FBI. What did Deceived Donny do? He fired Comey, and gave us.... Christopher fucking Ray, while letting that shit weasel Jeff Sessions run the table on him through the DOJ. All while praising the FIB agents who were running Crossfire Hurricane on his ass.

Maybe if he wasn't so savvy, he'd have known to clean house BEFORE they pulled a Nixon on him? Hmmm.

So savvy he punked out! He didn't have any balls after all, and his time in the Oval was more important to his ego than actually addressing the stuff he claimed he was going to address.

He surrounded himself with people he knew would betray him, but he's a victim? Meanwhile, he was unlawfully allowing his own fucking family members handle domestic and foreign policy matters even though they were NOT appointed officials or confirmed in any way by Congress.

He could have fired LOTS of traitors and turncoats before Russia, Russia, Russia really got rolling.

He was, at best, incompetent and blinkered, and at worst, complicit; going along to get along for his own political purposes and benefit.

Another True Believer in the efficacy of the vax.

Lets start with the obvious. The vax never stopped transmission, and it was never a prophylactic. That is, it did not give immunization, it did not stop the spread, it did not lessen symptoms, and it did not serve as a cure. Even the fucking CDC has had to admit this. No one but mind numbed zombies believes anything about the vax lies.

Furthermore, Trump signed lots of orders that helped prime the pimp for the absolute panic that ensued. He blew billions and trillions on propping up the medical industry that was getting paid lots of extra money to make sure that WuFlu protocols were followed, which killed lots of people in hospitals and nursing homes. The money and the impetus from government does NOT absolve the man from helping the scam along in any way, shape, or form. He didn't need to institute a federal lockdown, because the governors had free reign, thanks to his recklessness or complicity, to do it themselves and violate the Rights of Americans all across the country without any action on his part against that. A large part of his job was to execute Executive authority to protect the American People against crime, lies, scams, and so on. He failed utterly and purposefully got behind the vax push that led to almost total nationwide mandates with hardly more than a tepid response from the "savvy" billionaire. He let Fauci and Birx fearmonger the entire nation on wall to wall TV for the entire, miserable last year of his administration.

That doesn't even touch the nation wide riots that everyone got to enjoy that he did almost nothing about, even though he was the Commander in Chief and had a duty to put that shit down, with force if necessary. Of course, he couldn't do that either, right? Because he lacked the authority?

No, because he had no control over his own military commanders, and he didn't have the balls to fire them either when he had the chance and certainly should have known better. The very same ball washing scum who are STILL generals and admirals to this day, who are gutting our military, have made our soldiers, seamen, marines, and pilots take a mandatory shot or be disgraced with discharge, and who are pushing fucking transfeaks to "maintain combat reediness." Those generals were Trump's generals long before President Pudding Pop made use of them.

GTFO!

ETA: (PS. Warpspeed was in the works before Deceived Donny was even in office. He didn't bring it to market in record time. He fell in line, like a good little boy.)

The length of your post -wow-but not much to say-lol

I believe the vaccine saved many people from death, not stop the spread . That’s not even debated for those in high risk groups.

Almost every thing they accused Trump of , Biden did and FBI/DOJ covered it up. Worse, the media did too.

As far as the riots, he can only do federal enforcement. He did against Antifa and was winning. When Biden came into office, the DOJ dropped over a 1000 cases that were against Antifa. As president he could not do much more without approval from that state’s governor. That’s why when they did shut downs and Trump wanted it re-opened, he couldn’t . It’s why Desantis could keep Florida open when Biden wanted to shut it down.
It was Democrat resistance that prevented things from being done, not Trump.
Go look up how the democrats blocked trump including by using the courts from doing many things

 

[Defilade]

The length of your post -wow-but not much to say-lol

I believe the vaccine saved many people from death, not stop the spread . That’s not even debated for those in high risk groups.

Almost every thing they accused Trump of , Biden did and FBI/DOJ covered it up. Worse, the media did too.

As far as the riots, he can only do federal enforcement. He did against Antifa and was winning. When Biden came into office, the DOJ dropped over a 1000 cases that were against Antifa. As president he could not do much more without approval from that state’s governor. That’s why when they did shut downs and Trump wanted it re-opened, he couldn’t . It’s why Desantis could keep Florida open when Biden wanted to shut it down.
It was Democrat resistance that prevented things from being done, not Trump.
Go look up how the democrats blocked trump including by using the courts from doing many things

I believe the vaccine saved many people from death, not stop the spread . That’s not even debated for those in high risk groups.

You got to be joking? Saved lives?? Where is your data on that one? Plenty of data on deaths and injuries..

 

[Truebeliever]

I believe the vaccine saved many people from death, not stop the spread . That’s not even debated for those in high risk groups.

You got to be joking? Saved lives?? Where is your data on that one? Plenty of data on deaths and injuries..

Because I know quite a few high risk people who got both the jab and covid, survived. And I know some who were high risk, didn’t get the jab and died.

please remember I said high risk, not the general public and certainly not kids. Big difference.
Being pro-vaccine does not mean pro-mandates . It should be an individual choice based on needs and risk . High risk like immune compromised people like transplant patients or the very old should get the vaccine. Almost anyone else, should weigh the risk/reward question

 

[Defilade]

Because I know quite a few high risk people who got both the jab and covid, survived. And I know some who were high risk, didn’t get the jab and died.

please remember I said high risk, not the general public and certainly not kids. Big difference.
Being pro-vaccine does not mean pro-mandates . It should be an individual choice based on needs and risk . High risk like immune compromised people like transplant patients or the very old should get the vaccine. Almost anyone else, should weigh the risk/reward question

Look up what the ARR risk VS the RRR of the Covid 19 vaccine was and get back to me. It is worthless!

 

[Truebeliever]

Look up what the ARR risk VS the RRR of the Covid 19 vaccine was and get back to me. It is worthless!

As to which population? The high risk or general? And I am not talking about fat people as high risk. I am talking about organ transplants and such where even chicken pox can kill.

 

[Defilade]

As to which population? The high risk or general? And I am not talking about fat people as high risk. I am talking about organ transplants and such where even chicken pox can kill.

Sit down when you read this.... The Vaccine is garbage.




ARR vs RRR

Pfizer reported that its vaccine shows a 95% efficacy. That sounds like it protects you 95% of the time, right? But that’s not actually what that number means. That 95% refers to the Relative Risk Reduction (RRR), but it doesn’t tell you how much your overall risk is reduced by vaccination. For that, we need Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR).

During the Pfizer trial, 0.88% of the placebo group got covid-19 and 0.04% of the vaccinated group got covid-19. So the ARR or net benefit that you’re being offered with the Pfizer vaccine is 0.84%. That 95% number refers to the relative difference between 0.88% and 0.04%. That’s what they call 95% RRR.

Relative Risk Reduction is well known to be a misleading number, which is why the FDA recommends using Absolute Risk Reduction instead, which begs the question of how many people would have chosen to take the COVID-19 vaccines had they understood that they offered less than 1% benefit

The Pfizer Presentation That Got Dr. Robert Malone Kicked Off Twitter

Pfizer's own vaccine trial data shows an INCREASED risk of illness and death for the vaccinated.

kanekoa.substack.com

Pfizer Unblinded The Study After Two Months

Pfizer’s phase three trial began in July 2020 with a vaccinated group and a placebo group of about 21,000 participants each. The study was blind, which means the participants didn’t know which group they were in. This blinded trial was supposed to go on for three years until May 2, 2023.

Instead, after only two months of trial data, Pfizer unblinded the study. This means they told all participants which group they were in and offered the placebo group the option of moving over to the vaccinated group. The vast majority of the placebo group then moved into the vaccinated group.

Therefore, after two months, there was no longer a control group to compare the vaccinated group to and there was no longer anyway to assess the long-term safety or efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine.

Does this sound like good science to you

The Pfizer Presentation That Got Dr. Robert Malone Kicked Off Twitter

Pfizer's own vaccine trial data shows an INCREASED risk of illness and death for the vaccinated.

kanekoa.substack.com

An Increased Risk of Illness For The Vaccinated

Pfizer’s data shows a significant increase in the risk of illness or adverse events for the vaccinated. You won’t actually find it in the report itself. You have to dig into the supplementary appendix in order to find it.

There you find, 5,241 related adverse advents in the vaccinated group versus 1,311 related adverse events in the placebo group. For severe adverse events (interferes significantly with normal function), there were 262 in the vaccinated group versus 150 in the placebo group. And, for serious adverse events (hospital or ER), there were 127 in the vaccinated group versus 116 in the placebo group.

In other words, there was a 300% increase of related adverse events, a 75% increase of severe adverse events, and a 10% increase of serious adverse events.

How does the vaccine reduce hospitalizations if Pfizer’s trial data shows a 10% increase in hospitalizations for the vaccinated

The Pfizer Presentation That Got Dr. Robert Malone Kicked Off Twitter

Pfizer's own vaccine trial data shows an INCREASED risk of illness and death for the vaccinated.

kanekoa.substack.com

An Increased Risk of Death For The Vaccinated

Pfizer’s 6-month trial data shows an increased risk of death for the vaccinated. Before the trial was unblinded, there were 15-deaths in the vaccinated group versus 14-deaths in the placebo group.

After the trial was unblinded, there were 5 more vaccinated deaths with 3 from the original vaccinated group (before trial was unblinded) and 2 from the original placebo group (crossed over to the vaccinated group). Pfizer buried these 5-deaths in the report rather than putting them on a table like the others.

In sum, there were 20 total deaths in the vaccinated group versus 14 total deaths in the placebo group. Furthermore, there were almost twice as many cardiovascular deaths among the vaccinated with 9 in the vaccinated group versus 5 in the placebo group.

How does the vaccine reduce deaths if Pfizer’s trial shows an increased risk of death for the vaccinated

The Pfizer Presentation That Got Dr. Robert Malone Kicked Off Twitter

Pfizer's own vaccine trial data shows an INCREASED risk of illness and death for the vaccinated.

kanekoa.substack.com

Low Quality Safety Science Did Not Track Biomarkers

Pfizer’s clinical trial did not track biomarkers and did not test for adverse events at the subclinical (pre-symptom) level. This is extremely unsafe because symptoms and diseases are typically endpoints of processes that take months, years, or decades to surface. During that development period, many early warning biomarkers tend to reflect an increasing predisposition to eventual symptom or disease.

High-quality safety science would have tested before and after vaccination for; d-dimers for evidence of enhanced coagulation, c-reactive protein for enhanced inflammation, troponins for cardiac damage, blood oxygen levels for enhanced hypoxia, amyloid-beta and phosphorylated tau for increased predisposition to Alzheimer’s disease, evidence for autoimmune disease, etc.

Why didn't Pfizer track biomarkers that would have been valuable early warning signs for diseases caused by their vaccines

The Pfizer Presentation That Got Dr. Robert Malone Kicked Off Twitter

Pfizer's own vaccine trial data shows an INCREASED risk of illness and death for the vaccinated.

kanekoa.substack.com

 

[Jmac00]

None. That's how being dead works. Dead people don't do anything, well except maybe rot.





I'd agree. But that still doesn't change the fact that Trump's "tax cuts and jobs" was a tax increase for me. If anything I'm doing better despite Trump's punative tax code changes, and that's because of my own doing. I'd be doing better if Trump's tax changes never happened.

ok, Now I understand. Tens of thousands of dead people voted for the empty suite poopypants diaper boy, but YOU couldn't figure out how to make money in troubled times, so its all about YOU, selfish little you!!! You should start a business in the service industry, like one of the trades, HVAC, PLUMBING OR ELECTRICAL fields. Wait, never mind. you sound like one of those guys that would rip off a 90 yr old granny for tens of thousands of dollars and sleep like a baby.

 

[Jmac00]

BOTTOM LINE IS THIS:

I didn't take the death jab. why! because the odds are ever in my favor. what's the percentage of ANYONE dying from covid-19? 0.008%

so the survival rate is what? 99.0002% WHY THE FUCK are we even debating this crap? why would you take a untested drug, just because some dipshit, over paid bureaucrat told you to.

Everyone should have known this was a scam with the unbelievably stupid 6' rule, and the mask rule. Just how fucking stupid are the people of this country.

what happened to critical thinking? what happened to questioning "authority"

Im so tired of the finger pointing. its not on Trump, or fauci or xiden.........this is ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE for not questioning these assholes. WE THE PEOPLE should just said, Fuck you, we'll take our chances. Thats exactly what I did, and Im just fine ( other than extremely pissed off )

South Dakota did just fine without ANY of these 'mandates'

 

[SonOfSun]

ok, Now I understand. Tens of thousands of dead people voted for the empty suite poopypants diaper boy, but YOU couldn't figure out how to make money in troubled times, so its all about YOU, selfish little you!!! You should start a business in the service industry, like one of the trades, HVAC, PLUMBING OR ELECTRICAL fields. Wait, never mind. you sound like one of those guys that would rip off a 90 yr old granny for tens of thousands of dollars and sleep like a baby.

You're retarded and don't know how to read.

 

[Truebeliever]

Sit down when you read this.... The Vaccine is garbage.

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ARR vs RRR

Pfizer reported that its vaccine shows a 95% efficacy. That sounds like it protects you 95% of the time, right? But that’s not actually what that number means. That 95% refers to the Relative Risk Reduction (RRR), but it doesn’t tell you how much your overall risk is reduced by vaccination. For that, we need Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR).

During the Pfizer trial, 0.88% of the placebo group got covid-19 and 0.04% of the vaccinated group got covid-19. So the ARR or net benefit that you’re being offered with the Pfizer vaccine is 0.84%. That 95% number refers to the relative difference between 0.88% and 0.04%. That’s what they call 95% RRR.

Relative Risk Reduction is well known to be a misleading number, which is why the FDA recommends using Absolute Risk Reduction instead, which begs the question of how many people would have chosen to take the COVID-19 vaccines had they understood that they offered less than 1% benefit

The Pfizer Presentation That Got Dr. Robert Malone Kicked Off Twitter

Pfizer's own vaccine trial data shows an INCREASED risk of illness and death for the vaccinated.

kanekoa.substack.com

View attachment 199765

Pfizer Unblinded The Study After Two Months

Pfizer’s phase three trial began in July 2020 with a vaccinated group and a placebo group of about 21,000 participants each. The study was blind, which means the participants didn’t know which group they were in. This blinded trial was supposed to go on for three years until May 2, 2023.

Instead, after only two months of trial data, Pfizer unblinded the study. This means they told all participants which group they were in and offered the placebo group the option of moving over to the vaccinated group. The vast majority of the placebo group then moved into the vaccinated group.

Therefore, after two months, there was no longer a control group to compare the vaccinated group to and there was no longer anyway to assess the long-term safety or efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine.

Does this sound like good science to you

The Pfizer Presentation That Got Dr. Robert Malone Kicked Off Twitter

Pfizer's own vaccine trial data shows an INCREASED risk of illness and death for the vaccinated.

kanekoa.substack.com

View attachment 199766

An Increased Risk of Illness For The Vaccinated

Pfizer’s data shows a significant increase in the risk of illness or adverse events for the vaccinated. You won’t actually find it in the report itself. You have to dig into the supplementary appendix in order to find it.

There you find, 5,241 related adverse advents in the vaccinated group versus 1,311 related adverse events in the placebo group. For severe adverse events (interferes significantly with normal function), there were 262 in the vaccinated group versus 150 in the placebo group. And, for serious adverse events (hospital or ER), there were 127 in the vaccinated group versus 116 in the placebo group.

In other words, there was a 300% increase of related adverse events, a 75% increase of severe adverse events, and a 10% increase of serious adverse events.

How does the vaccine reduce hospitalizations if Pfizer’s trial data shows a 10% increase in hospitalizations for the vaccinated

The Pfizer Presentation That Got Dr. Robert Malone Kicked Off Twitter

Pfizer's own vaccine trial data shows an INCREASED risk of illness and death for the vaccinated.

kanekoa.substack.com

View attachment 199767

An Increased Risk of Death For The Vaccinated

Pfizer’s 6-month trial data shows an increased risk of death for the vaccinated. Before the trial was unblinded, there were 15-deaths in the vaccinated group versus 14-deaths in the placebo group.

After the trial was unblinded, there were 5 more vaccinated deaths with 3 from the original vaccinated group (before trial was unblinded) and 2 from the original placebo group (crossed over to the vaccinated group). Pfizer buried these 5-deaths in the report rather than putting them on a table like the others.

In sum, there were 20 total deaths in the vaccinated group versus 14 total deaths in the placebo group. Furthermore, there were almost twice as many cardiovascular deaths among the vaccinated with 9 in the vaccinated group versus 5 in the placebo group.

How does the vaccine reduce deaths if Pfizer’s trial shows an increased risk of death for the vaccinated

The Pfizer Presentation That Got Dr. Robert Malone Kicked Off Twitter

Pfizer's own vaccine trial data shows an INCREASED risk of illness and death for the vaccinated.

kanekoa.substack.com

View attachment 199768

Low Quality Safety Science Did Not Track Biomarkers

Pfizer’s clinical trial did not track biomarkers and did not test for adverse events at the subclinical (pre-symptom) level. This is extremely unsafe because symptoms and diseases are typically endpoints of processes that take months, years, or decades to surface. During that development period, many early warning biomarkers tend to reflect an increasing predisposition to eventual symptom or disease.

High-quality safety science would have tested before and after vaccination for; d-dimers for evidence of enhanced coagulation, c-reactive protein for enhanced inflammation, troponins for cardiac damage, blood oxygen levels for enhanced hypoxia, amyloid-beta and phosphorylated tau for increased predisposition to Alzheimer’s disease, evidence for autoimmune disease, etc.

Why didn't Pfizer track biomarkers that would have been valuable early warning signs for diseases caused by their vaccines

The Pfizer Presentation That Got Dr. Robert Malone Kicked Off Twitter

Pfizer's own vaccine trial data shows an INCREASED risk of illness and death for the vaccinated.

kanekoa.substack.com

No offense but I either have to see the direct source or an interpretation from a trusted source( no, not the mainstream media). Too many people have made false accusations or conclusions that muddy the waters. I know the vaccine was not needed by the majority of healthy people. I also know people who died from covid.
And there are plenty of trusted anti-jab sources that are not repeating what you are saying.
I went straight to the source when it came to some of this stuff. Who was hospitalized and who wasn’t — almost every patient my friends in actual hospitals would tell you were the unvaccinated. The people telling me this included nurses who refused to be vaccinated and were threatened to be let go as a result

 

[Dr. Evil]

I also know people who died from covid.

With covid.

 

[Truebeliever]

With covid.

No, from covid. Big difference from those who had a car accident, died, and tested positive. No, they were fine until hit by covid.

 

[Dr. Evil]

No, from covid. Big difference from those who had a car accident, died, and tested positive. No, they were fine until hit by covid.

No, with it. You think they were "fine" because they were symptom free. Lack of symptoms isn't health. Proper function is. If they had properly functioning bodies they would survive covid. Sadly the way we are raised is why you think like you do. How the medical profession teaches "health" is the reason people think like they do. Like when people say the person that just dropped dead from a heart attack with zero symptoms prior to dropping dead was so healthy.

 

[Defilade]

No offense but I either have to see the direct source or an interpretation from a trusted source( no, not the mainstream media). Too many people have made false accusations or conclusions that muddy the waters. I know the vaccine was not needed by the majority of healthy people. I also know people who died from covid.
And there are plenty of trusted anti-jab sources that are not repeating what you are saying.
I went straight to the source when it came to some of this stuff. Who was hospitalized and who wasn’t — almost every patient my friends in actual hospitals would tell you were the unvaccinated. The people telling me this included nurses who refused to be vaccinated and were threatened to be let go as a result

Who do you consider a trusted source is the question? Considering the PCR test can't tell the difference from covid, flu, pneumonia, or a cold the Covid thing is highly suspect. As far as Hospitals, well we all know now the forced Covid protocols that were very profitable murdered or caused all kinds of injuries. Many nurses and doctors have testified such.

 

[Truebeliever]

Who do you consider a trusted source is the question? Considering the PCR test can't tell the difference from covid, flu, pneumonia, or a cold the Covid thing is highly suspect. As far as Hospitals, well we all know now the forced Covid protocols that were very profitable murdered or caused all kinds of injuries. Many nurses and doctors have testified such.

There are plenty. If Rand Paul came out with it, I’d believe it. If one of the doctors I know who are researchers said to me not to give it to the kids or get the boosters .
Just to ask because I didn’t see it in the study. How many were high risk ? How many of the control group who later were given the vaccine got covid before and during the time before , and during the second shot? It’s like getting a third or fourth shot in a 4 week period if they did . There are many factors that make that study problematic at best for any conclusions either way.

 

[Truebeliever]

No, with it. You think they were "fine" because they were symptom free. Lack of symptoms isn't health. Proper function is. If they had properly functioning bodies they would survive covid. Sadly the way we are raised is why you think like you do. How the medical profession teaches "health" is the reason people think like they do. Like when people say the person that just dropped dead from a heart attack with zero symptoms prior to dropping dead was so healthy.

Right. But if they were high risk but had it under control such as diabetes, an organ transplant, then got sick with covid and died because covid made that risk factor out of control — covid killed them. No different than if the flu hit them and killed them.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Right. But if they were high risk but had it under control such as diabetes, an organ transplant, then got sick with covid and died because covid made that risk factor out of control — covid killed them. No different than if the flu hit them and killed them.

Their underlying lack of health killed them. You are confusing them keeping their dis-ease "under control" as being healthy. They were inches from the edge of a cliff. The pathogen just pushed them over sadly because they were right there. The common cold could have done the same thing. Just like I tell patients in health classes, if pollen caused allergies we would all have allergies since we all breath pollen. For people that don't have the ability for their body to adapt to their environment, pollen can be an irritant but it is just that. The body's inability to deal with the irritant is the underlying cause of their allergies.

 

[Truebeliever]

Their underlying lack of health killed them. You are confusing them keeping their dis-ease "under control" as being healthy. They were inches from the edge of a cliff. The pathogen just pushed them over sadly because they were right there. The common cold could have done the same thing. Just like I tell patients in health classes, if pollen caused allergies we would all have allergies since we all breath pollen. For people that don't have the ability for their body to adapt to their environment, pollen can be an irritant but it is just that. The body's inability to deal with the irritant is the underlying cause of their allergies.

The people I knew were not on a cliff’s edge. Far from it. They were very active and their “numbers “ were good for someone with their condition before getting covid. If it happened to today, with or without the vaccine they would probably be okay because doctors know how to treat it now .

An easy answer to the vaccine question, how many vaccinated people were hospitalized and how many unvaccinated were hospitalized as a result of covid .

 

[Dr. Evil]

The people I knew were not on a cliff’s edge. Far from it. They were very active and their “numbers “ were good for someone with their condition before getting covid. If it happened to today, with or without the vaccine they would probably be okay because doctors know how to treat it now .

An easy answer to the vaccine question, how many vaccinated people were hospitalized and how many unvaccinated were hospitalized as a result of covid .

They were as far as bodily function. Otherwise, they would have survived a virus that had a 99%+ survival rate. Again, I am talking bodily/immune system function (cause), you are talking symptomatic appearance (effects). You seem to think just because they were on meds keeping their numbers good and they were active that means everything is honky dory. "Were good for someone with their condition." Key words, "With their condition." Maybe relative to others "with their condition" they seemed "Good" but that doesn't mean they are good. Again, falls back on how we are typically raised about what is considered health. Having a condition and needing meds to keep us "Good" is still poor related to normal function and not having that condition. BTW, more people got covid from the jab than without it if you even buy into the bullshit testing/diagnosis that was going on. I'm sure you know more about policing than I do. I'm going to assume I know more about function and health than you do. Nothing personal. Anyway, I'm out. Hitting the hay a little early for my first century (100 mile) road bike ride tomorrow.

 

[spat]

The people I knew were not on a cliff’s edge. Far from it. They were very active and their “numbers “ were good for someone with their condition before getting covid. If it happened to today, with or without the vaccine they would probably be okay because doctors know how to treat it now .

An easy answer to the vaccine question, how many vaccinated people were hospitalized and how many unvaccinated were hospitalized as a result of covid .

The other question is, did they get sick with covid, then were killed by "the protocol" ?

Seems the rate of survival was higher before they started slapping people on ventilation and dangerous drugs the minute they *walk* in the door of the hospital.

 

[Truebeliever]

They were as far as bodily function. Otherwise, they would have survived a virus that had a 99%+ survival rate. Again, I am talking bodily/immune system function (cause), you are talking symptomatic appearance (effects). You seem to think just because they were on meds keeping their numbers good and they were active that means everything is honky dory. "Were good for someone with their condition." Key words, "With their condition." Maybe relative to others "with their condition" they seemed "Good" but that doesn't mean they are good. Again, falls back on how we are typically raised about what is considered health. Having a condition and needing meds to keep us "Good" is still poor related to normal function and not having that condition. BTW, more people got covid from the jab than without it if you even buy into the bullshit testing/diagnosis that was going on. I'm sure you know more about policing than I do. I'm going to assume I know more about function and health than you do. Nothing personal. Anyway, I'm out. Hitting the hay a little early for my first century (100 mile) road bike ride tomorrow.

Did you really read my post? I said the vaccine saved high risk people but was unnecessary for healthy people.

And doc, I don’t pretend to know more. I just know people who do know more about the risk with those co-morbidities and covid than both of us. The doctors who specialize in those specific fields and the nurses who were there. That’s about it. They have told me who and who shouldn’t take the vaccine from the beginning and why. Why wouldn’t I trust those particular doctors over a voice on the internet?

And in layman’s terms, if someone allergic to peanuts is served a peanut butter sandwich and dies. What do we say killed them— their underline health condition or do we say the peanut butter killed them ? Most people say the peanut butter even if it was the immune system reaction.

How many people are listed as dying from the flu in past years? Didn’t most of those deaths have a co-morbidity too but are listed as flu deaths ?

 

[Defilade]

Did you really read my post? I said the vaccine saved high risk people but was unnecessary for healthy people.

And doc, I don’t pretend to know more. I just know people who do know more about the risk with those co-morbidities and covid than both of us. The doctors who specialize in those specific fields and the nurses who were there. That’s about it. They have told me who and who shouldn’t take the vaccine from the beginning and why. Why wouldn’t I trust those particular doctors over a voice on the internet?

And in layman’s terms, if someone allergic to peanuts is served a peanut butter sandwich and dies. What do we say killed them— their underline health condition or do we say the peanut butter killed them ? Most people say the peanut butter even if it was the immune system reaction.

How many people are listed as dying from the flu in past years? Didn’t most of those deaths have a co-morbidity too but are listed as flu deaths ?

I don't know what you are talking about here. The highest forms of scientific evidence say otherwise as this doctor points out.

Dr. Aseem Malhotra tells Joe Rogan that a reanalysis of Pfizer and Moderna's original clinical trial data shows that their COVID mRNA vaccines *INCREASE* your risks of serious adverse events, hospitalization, and death:

"In my whole career, looking at all of the drugs and knowing about many different prescribed medications, I've never seen something that when you look at the data has such poor effectiveness and unprecedented harms. In the summer of last year, in the journal Vaccine, the highest-impact medical journal for vaccines, they published a reanalysis of Pfizer and Moderna's original double-blinded randomized controlled trial.

This is the highest quality of scientific evidence. Joseph Fraiman is an ER doctor and clinical data scientist from Louisiana. Associate editor of the BMJ, Dr. Peter Doshi. Dr. Robert Kaplan from Stanford. Some real eminence of integrity published this reanalysis, and what they found was this. In the trials that led to the approval of regulators worldwide, you were more likely to suffer a severe adverse event from taking the vaccine, hospitalization, disability, or life-changing event than you were to be hospitalized with COVID.

This mRNA vaccine should likely have never been approved for a single human in the first place, and that rate of serious adverse events is at least 1 in 800... 1 in 800 is a very, very high figure. We've pulled other vaccines for much less. The 1976 Swine Flu vaccine was pulled because it was found to cause a debilitating neurological condition called Guillan-Barre syndrome in about 1 in 100,000 people. The Rotavirus vaccine was suspended in 1999 because it was found to cause a form of bowel obstruction in kids in 1 of 10,000. This is at least 1 in 800. It's a no-brainer. So the question is, why have we not paused it?"

 

[Truebeliever]

I don't know what you are talking about here. The highest forms of scientific evidence say otherwise as this doctor points out.

Dr. Aseem Malhotra tells Joe Rogan that a reanalysis of Pfizer and Moderna's original clinical trial data shows that their COVID mRNA vaccines *INCREASE* your risks of serious adverse events, hospitalization, and death:

"In my whole career, looking at all of the drugs and knowing about many different prescribed medications, I've never seen something that when you look at the data has such poor effectiveness and unprecedented harms. In the summer of last year, in the journal Vaccine, the highest-impact medical journal for vaccines, they published a reanalysis of Pfizer and Moderna's original double-blinded randomized controlled trial.

This is the highest quality of scientific evidence. Joseph Fraiman is an ER doctor and clinical data scientist from Louisiana. Associate editor of the BMJ, Dr. Peter Doshi. Dr. Robert Kaplan from Stanford. Some real eminence of integrity published this reanalysis, and what they found was this. In the trials that led to the approval of regulators worldwide, you were more likely to suffer a severe adverse event from taking the vaccine, hospitalization, disability, or life-changing event than you were to be hospitalized with COVID.

This mRNA vaccine should likely have never been approved for a single human in the first place, and that rate of serious adverse events is at least 1 in 800... 1 in 800 is a very, very high figure. We've pulled other vaccines for much less. The 1976 Swine Flu vaccine was pulled because it was found to cause a debilitating neurological condition called Guillan-Barre syndrome in about 1 in 100,000 people. The Rotavirus vaccine was suspended in 1999 because it was found to cause a form of bowel obstruction in kids in 1 of 10,000. This is at least 1 in 800. It's a no-brainer. So the question is, why have we not paused it?"

Thank you for the information.
Again, how does this apply to people with co-morbidity with the original strain ? I am not saying healthy people should get it. He keeps saying it’s a higher risk for normal people to get the vaccine but cited someone with cancer who did not take the vaccine, who died from covid when Joe asked the question about does it have some benefit,
We are really not in conflict here. If you have a heart transplant, the vaccine might be good for you. If you are healthy, probably not.

Just to add. I am so glad to see Twitter is now a place for free speech— Thank u Elon.

 

[GOPerfect]

Back on topic....

I still do not think Trump will be in the Presidential race.

 

[Vinson57]

RFK Jr has already pivoted around talking about the vaccines as he see the censorship its getting. He said this in an interview already. The vaxholes - near 70% of america could give a shit less as they all got the mass formation hypnosis still. They all say "nothing happened to me" and do anything and everything to change the subject so no one will be putting trump on the spot over the vaccines.

 

[Defilade]

Back on topic....

I still do not think Trump will be in the Presidential race.

Well he certainly has wasted one hell of a lot of time campaigning for it. He has been rallying since he left office. lol, But then again an accident could happen which I'm surprised hasn't yet.

 

[Dr. Evil]

And in layman’s terms, if someone allergic to peanuts is served a peanut butter sandwich and dies. What do we say killed them— their underline health condition or do we say the peanut butter killed them ? Most people say the peanut butter even if it was the immune system reaction.

How many people are listed as dying from the flu in past years? Didn’t most of those deaths have a co-morbidity too but are listed as flu deaths ?

Yes, and this just shows how many people don't understand the cause vs. effect aspect of health. If peanuts were the cause of death in people we would all die from eating them. It is only those that have abnormal function that allows the peanuts to take advantage of them. Just because they list the cause of death as flu means nothing. That is the only way they look at things in their world. Doesn't make it right. Again, it's their world and their lack of understanding of health. Sure the peanuts were involved but their lack of health and normal function is the true cause. Semantics to some, not to me.

 

[SomeSoldier]

just as a side note: South Dakota never locked down. Kristi Noem never told anyone to wear a mask or to close their business or schools

South Dakota got through the scamdemic just fine.

She did allow people to be fired for not bending the knee to their employers by getting the vax. She failed there.

 

[Acer-m14]

I didn't know Trump designed and Manufactured the Covid Jab .. that was Safe and Effective and ended up causing all kinds of health problems