Carrying In a Post Office Legal?

[GOPerfect]

18 U.S. Code § 930 - Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities



(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.

(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;

(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or

(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.


So, in section three, these are the exemptions. Which do you fall under?

 

[Chevusa]

So, in section three, these are the exemptions. Which do you fall under?

3.
Lawfully carrying a firearm - check.
Carrying for lawful purposes - check.

EXEMPTED

 

[GOPerfect]

3.
Lawfully carrying a firearm - check.
Carrying for lawful purposes - check.

EXEMPTED

I am glad you think so. I am happy that you think the google research you did is enough to protect you from the laws and the regulations.

I know you will not, but how about a test?

Video record yourself with a gun in the PO and share the video here with us.

 

[FRB]

Didn't you see the other posts by him, people that use Google to look up laws and case studies are beneath this guy, he took a quick law class and therefore he is a security lawyer

Yeah, that was the first thought I had too when he said that.... hey wait, so google is gold again eh?

 

[dsdmmat]

3.
Lawfully carrying a firearm - check.
Carrying for lawful purposes - check.

EXEMPTED

Well I am happy for you, be sure to carry your exemption card with you.

 

[GOPerfect]

 

[FRB]

I am glad you think so. I am happy that you think the google research you did is enough to protect you from the laws and the regulations.

I know you will not, but how about a test?

Video record yourself with a gun in the PO and share the video here with us.

Do it Chevusa I want to see the video, let us see if you have the guts to do so.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Man I wish Bonidy's lawyers knew about exemption number 3 when arguing in the 10th circuit court. The answer was right there in front of them and they missed it

 

[Chevusa]

I am glad you think so. I am happy that you think the google research you did is enough to protect you from the laws and the regulations.

I know you will not, but how about a test?

Video record yourself with a gun in the PO and share the video here with us.

The law literally says such.

Anyhow it's a fine not to exceed $50 anyhow... or up to X days in jail (which nobody is getting - they could for a speeding ticket too but I bet its never once happened).

Carry on.

Oh its concealed anyhow so a video won't do much....

 

[Chevusa]

A YouTube video does not supersede 18 USC which was quoted exactly. Not even gonna click on it. What a waste.

 

[Chevusa]

Well I am happy for you, be sure to carry your exemption card with you.

Not sure if a failed attempt at humor or......

You're right. Let's pretend the written exemption doesn't exist. I am now closing my eyes! I don't see it! You're right!

 

[Bob]

Man I wish Bonidy's lawyers knew about exemption number 3 when arguing in the 10th circuit court. The answer was right there in front of them and they missed it

If only there was a higher authority to whom they could have appealed the case, too. You know, like a supreme court.
Oh wait.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Yeah how dare you share a video done by Adam Kraut (Esquire)

 

[Edwardteach72]

If only there was a higher authority to whom they could have appealed the case, too. You know, like a supreme court.
Oh wait.

Oh im not disagreeing with you on that, just pointing out how things stand currently

 

[Bob]

Oh im not disagreeing with you on that, just pointing out how things stand currently

I should have used the sarcasm font.
SCOTUS denied the petition for cert.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I should have used the sarcasm font.
SCOTUS denied the petition for cert.

I was picking up what you were laying down

 

[GOPerfect]

A YouTube video does not supersede 18 USC which was quoted exactly. Not even gonna click on it. What a waste.

It is not about the video, it is a simple explanation of the law and the court cases. The Court rulings and the like.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Never underestimate the degree of bureaucratic bullshit that thinks it's in charge of this country and the hurt they can put on your ass even if you are right. Even if your are right it will cost you thousands of dollars to prove your innocence. You lose or you lose. Pardon me for being sarcastic and bitter. Don't let your ego get your ass in a bind when it could have been avoided. Mental camouflage, dumb like a fox, be the gray man....

This is one battle that can be avoided. Face it, gun owners are a discriminated minority in NY.

Besides the feds will only steal your 9mm.

 

[Edwardteach72]

It is not about the video, it is a simple explanation of the law and the court cases. The Court rulings and the like.

By Adam Kraut, one of the biggest 2A attorney in the country

 

[Chevusa]

It is not about the video, it is a simple explanation of the law and the court cases. The Court rulings and the like.

You listed the exemptions (which I had already done), then asked me which one, then after I answered you now what to pretend (as well as others) that the exemption does not exist.

Strange approach. But ok.

It is what it is. Just making others aware of it. Do as you wish, and so shall I.

 

[GOPerfect]

You listed the exemptions (which I had already done), then asked me which one, then after I answered you now what to pretend (as well as others) that the exemption does not exist.

Strange approach. But ok.

It is what it is. Just making others aware of it. Do as you wish, and so shall I.

How do you think you have an exemption?

Break it down, I must be slow.

 

[togmaster]

concealed anyhow so a video won't do much....

Didn't you argue ad nauseam that being a mall cop entitled you to legally OC? Why not prove both theories at once?

 

[Chevusa]

Never underestimate the degree of bureaucratic bullshit that thinks it's in charge of this country and the hurt they can put on your ass even if you are right. Even if your are right it will cost you thousands of dollars to prove your innocence. You lose or you lose. Pardon me for being sarcastic and bitter. Don't let your ego get your ass in a bind when it could have been avoided. Mental camouflage, dumb like a fox, be the gray man....

This is one battle that can be avoided. Face it, gun owners are a discriminated minority in NY.

Besides the feds will only steal your 9mm.

Good points, but it could be said that simply walking in and out while concealed would draw less attention than unholstering in the car stashing away then coming out to do the reverse. You are drawing a lot more attention to yourself. And you're still on federal property in the parking lot, so it's pointless.

Also if you were "caught" are they going to detain you? Are you going to wait around for the police? When the police get there are they then going to get a federal officer there as they have no authority to charge a federal crime? It's all pretty far fetched. Add to that the federal exemption and I think you have bigger things to worry about.

 

[dsdmmat]

I seem to remember warning someone trolling will get them banned.

 

[Chevusa]

How do you think you have an exemption?

Break it down, I must be slow.

Read exemption 3. Post 32 as well. Its clear as crystal. Only a few words too so I'm sure you can manage.

Or pretend it's not there......

Have a good one.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Wait did I read something correctly..

If a local LEO catches someone breaking a federal law.... they can't detain or arrest them????

Is that serious what he said?

 

[HANK the CRANK]

You can mail rifles and shotguns,
you would half to carry it in concealed in a box

How can you mail guns when some gunwhore in town is buying them all up??

 

[spat]

Wait did I read something correctly..

If a local LEO catches someone breaking a federal law.... they can't detain or arrest them????

Is that serious what he said? View attachment 108331

He is mistaking "charge" with "arrest".

Any LEO can arrest for anything. They don't even need to charge you the same day. They could run into some unlawful arrest stuff if they completely pull things out of their ass, but the courts tend to give them *a lot* of leeway.

If they can even pretend it was in good faith they're usually good. There is case law that basically says "ignorance of the law *is* an excuse when you've got a badge".

They even arrest people they believe are breaking the law, but they don't even quite know which one.

They will work with the DA to figure out what to charge them with afterwards.

Now, as for the "charge" part, I am not sure, they probably do need to get a federal prosecutor to charge for a federal crime, but they don't even need to start looking for one until after you have been processed and are sitting in jail.

 

[Edwardteach72]

He is mistaking "charge" with "arrest".

Any LEO can arrest for anything. They don't even need to charge you the same day. They could run into some unlawful arrest stuff if they completely pull things out of their ass, but the courts tend to give them *a lot* of leeway.

If they can even pretend it was in good faith they're usually good. There is case law that basically says "ignorance of the law *is* an excuse when you've got a badge".

They even arrest people they believe are breaking the law, but they don't even quite know which one.

They will work with the DA to figure out what to charge them with afterwards.

Now, as for the "charge" part, I am not sure, they probably need to get a federal prosecutor to charge for a federal crime, but they don't even need to start looking for one until after you have been processed and are sitting in jail.

No I know, I'm just being rhetorical and pointing out how much of a clown this dude is for anyone just reading and for some reason even thinking of listening to a single thing he says (right or wrong)

 

[Parzival]

Not too worried. Around here a few years ago a guy

Not too worried. Around here a few years ago a guy walked into a high school while carrying. He was at a board meeting or some such. When he realized his mistake he took the pistol to the office and asked if they could secure it in a safe for him. They agreed and locked it up. Well someone else oversaw this and called 911 prompting an evacuation and police response. Long story short - the DA - a no good liberal - declined to charge him. It was a nothing burger.

It’s because there was nothing to charge him with. He had a pistol permit....Read 265.01-a and 265.20. Would not recommend trying it with a long gun.

S 265.01-a Criminal possession of a weapon on school grounds.
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon on school
grounds when he or she knowingly has in his or her possession a rifle,
shotgun, or firearm in or upon a building or grounds, used for
educational purposes, of any school, college, or university, except the
forestry lands, wherever located, owned and maintained by the State
University of New York college of environmental science and forestry, or
upon a school bus as defined in section one hundred forty-two of the
vehicle and traffic law, without the written authorization of such
educational institution.
Criminal possession of a weapon on school grounds is a class E felony.


S 265.20 Exemptions.
a. Paragraph (h) of subdivision twenty-two of section 265.00 and
sections 265.01, 265.01-a, subdivision one of section 265.01-b, 265.02,
265.03, 265.04, 265.05, 265.10, 265.11, 265.12, 265.13, 265.15, 265.36,
265.37 and 270.05 shall not apply to: ...

3. Possession of a pistol or revolver by a person to whom a license
therefor has been issued as provided under section 400.00 or 400.01 of
this chapter or possession of a weapon as defined in paragraph (e)