Congolese "Immigrants" Cross US Southern Border

[prambo]

@prambo you know way more about this stuff than I do but what are the odds of anyone infected with Ebola in Congo surviving a transit to Guatemala and then walking to the United States?

Without outside assistance, none.

In point of fact, an uninfected Congolese villager would be hard put to get to the US without assistance. Congo is landlocked and border control into Uganda and Rwanda would be heightened with Ebola active in Kivu and Ituri provinces. In contrast to the US, other than sneaking in through unguarded regions, border security at normal crossings is strict. Ad hoc roadblocks with spike-laden cement barriers and armed guards is normal. From Kivu/Uturi provinces, travel on lakes might be possible, but where would they go? The Congo River runs into the Atlantic, but from those provinces you would have to travel over half of the river to get there.

IMHO, the main point is that these people are arriving in good shape with clean and relatively unworn clothing. They are being transported all the way by plane or vehicle. They are not walking other than a few miles after the coyotes drop them off. Further, why are people from Central Africa arriving now in the US. This is not normal from what I have read.

The pre-patent period for Ebola is a wide range - from 2-21 days - during this period the patient is non-infectious.

Dylan said it in "Ballad of A Thin Man"

"Because something is happening here
But ya' don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?"

When I was in Kenya, a Danish teenager was evac'ed to Denmark with early symptoms of a hemorrhagic fever - it was Marburg. He was dead in a week. He got it from fresh bat shit hitting his skin in a cave where I had been 3 times.

As a microbiologist, the African hemorrhagic fevers are the most terrifying - Ebola, Marburg, Lassa and others.

My main point in this is that if it gets here, and cases exceed our BSL-IV capacity (20 or less beds nationwide) we are toast. Flu, plague, etc can be treated in normal isolation units, not Ebola or Marburg.

My $0.02 and hardly worth that.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Without outside assistance, none.

In point of fact, an uninfected Congolese villager would be hard put to get to the US without assistance. Congo is landlocked and border control into Uganda and Rwanda would be heightened with Ebola active in Kivu and Ituri provinces. In contrast to the US, other than sneaking in through unguarded regions, border security at normal crossings is strict. Ad hoc roadblocks with spike-laden cement barriers and armed guards is normal. From Kivu/Uturi provinces, travel on lakes might be possible, but where would they go? The Congo River runs into the Atlantic, but from those provinces you would have to travel over half of the river to get there.

IMHO, the main point is that these people are arriving in good shape with clean and relatively unworn clothing. They are being transported all the way by plane or vehicle. They are not walking other than a few miles after the coyotes drop them off. Further, why are people from Central Africa arriving now in the US. This is not normal from what I have read.

The pre-patent period for Ebola is a wide range - from 2-21 days - during this period the patient is non-infectious.

Dylan said it in "Ballad of A Thin Man"

"Because something is happening here
But ya' don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?"

When I was in Kenya, a Danish teenager was evac'ed to Denmark with early symptoms of a hemorrhagic fever - it was Marburg. He was dead in a week. He got it from fresh bat shit hitting his skin in a cave where I had been 3 times.

As a microbiologist, the African hemorrhagic fevers are the most terrifying - Ebola, Marburg, Lassa and others.

My main point in this is that if it gets here, and cases exceed our BSL-IV capacity (20 or less beds nationwide) we are toast. Flu, plague, etc can be treated in normal isolation units, not Ebola or Marburg.

My $0.02 and hardly worth that.

I didn't Know you were a microbiologist. Thanks for keeping me up at night now....

It's s very perceptive observation.
Something very unsettling is going on where they are all of a sudden showing up because;

The timing, with the current Ebola outbreak
Their condition when they arrive, they don't appear to gave just endured a stressful dangerous journey half way around the world.
HOW are they getting here, who is facilitating this?
Connect the dots. Something is not right.

The deep state Mueller sham failed so now they have to try something else.

 

[ProgSpear]

@prambo , @Drinkthekoolaid

Two very disturbing observations in your posts. I can only respond that I have had an excellent life; hopefully the bastards behind this will find that their gated communities are just as susceptible to airborne viruses as where people I care about live.

 

[GOPerfect]

Too many people throughout the world are blind to all of the real horrors that await us.

People are far to worried about feelings and "doing the right thing" to actually do the right thing.

Maybe, just maybe, when thousands of people start dropping dead, more will take this in a serious light.

 

[Acer-m14]

Too many people throughout the world are blind to all of the real horrors that await us.

People are far to worried about feelings and "doing the right thing" to actually do the right thing.

Maybe, just maybe, when thousands of people start dropping dead, more will take this in a serious light.

you just reminded of a old movie ..

"Outbreak is a 1995 American medical disaster film directed by Wolfgang Petersen and based on Richard Preston's nonfiction book The Hot Zone.[1] It stars Dustin Hoffman, Rene Russo and Morgan Freeman, and co-stars Cuba Gooding Jr., Kevin Spacey, Donald Sutherland and Patrick Dempsey."

"In 1967, during the Kisangani Mutinies a virus called Motaba, which causes a deadly fever, is discovered in the African jungle. To keep the virus a secret, U.S. Army officers Donald McClintock and William Ford destroy the camp where soldiers were infected. Twenty-eight years later, Colonel Sam Daniels, a USAMRIID virologist, is sent to investigate an outbreak in Zaire. "

 

[spat]

I have to disagree - Ebola is extremely infectious, it is a relatively hardy virus and the US population is largely naive to Ebola, and other filiviruses such as Marburg. People living in endemic areas most likely have been exposed to Ebola in small amounts, and have some immune response, or have been selected for by Ebola pressure and have more robust innate immune systems.

Ebola is extremely deadly, and other hemorrhagic viruses like Marburg are similarly deadly.

Yes, but (most) people in industrialized nations know to avoid bodily fluids from the infected.

In Africa, not so much.

 

[prambo]

Yes, but (most) people in industrialized nations know to avoid bodily fluids from the infected.

In Africa, not so much.

And if the infected won't avoid you? They're extremely ill and scared shitless. At minimum they'll seek out hospitals.

And once the 20 or less BSL-IV isolation units are full (IIRC, they were in the 2014 outbreak), where and how will you successfully isolate them?

I watched this the other day, it's pretty accurate. A documentary, not fiction - it's free on Amazon Prime. Spillover: Zika, Ebola and Beyond (TV Movie 2016) - IMDb. It had viruses in it I've never even heard of.

 

[BDinPutnam]

What makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up is not so much these folks at the border but rather people like that asshat nurse who came back from Africa a couple of years ago and refused quarantine.

 

[Catskillkid]

What makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up is not so much these folks at the border but rather people like that asshat nurse who came back from Africa a couple of years ago and refused quarantine.

The fact that they didn't forcibly quarantine her shows how ass-backwards we treat this thing.

 

[BDinPutnam]

The fact that they didn't forcibly quarantine her shows how ass-backwards we treat this thing.

And I'm (I'd like to think) a fairly libertarian kind of guy.

 

[Catskillkid]

It's been mentioned a bit in this thread, but what's starting to spook me is the fact that we have Congolese immigrants, who by all intents and purposes are well clothed, in seemingly good health, get here with (on outward appearances) not much of a hassle. Maybe they're "rich" by Congolese standards and can afford the transport here. But in all likelihood they were "helped." Could it be that the NWO globalists like Soros et al are purposes helping these plagueugees (that's a word I invented btw) to get here, knowing that they won't be showing symptoms until well after they're in the general population, then create havoc which in turns calls for martial law, gun confiscations, suppression of rights, etc? Honestly, I don't know of any better way to destabilize the population. The flaw is that microbes don't take marching orders from technocrats and this could get out of hand extremely quickly.

I mean, if they're not presenting with a fever (and supposedly this new outbreak of the virus doesn't cause fever, at least initially) how the hell do you screen for it at the border? How many of the hundreds of people from all over the damn world slip across our border have some of this scary shit in them? We already know they're bringing measles, TB, and shit we haven't had to deal with for years.

I say fuck the wall. We need land mines, razor wire, and machine gun nests with overlapping fields of fire stat.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

It's been mentioned a bit in this thread, but what's starting to spook me is the fact that we have Congolese immigrants, who by all intents and purposes are well clothed, in seemingly good health, get here with (on outward appearances) not much of a hassle. Maybe they're "rich" by Congolese standards and can afford the transport here. But in all likelihood they were "helped." Could it be that the NWO globalists like Soros et al are purposes helping these plagueugees (that's a word I invented btw) to get here, knowing that they won't be showing symptoms until well after they're in the general population, then create havoc which in turns calls for martial law, gun confiscations, suppression of rights, etc? Honestly, I don't know of any better way to destabilize the population. The flaw is that microbes don't take marching orders from technocrats and this could get out of hand extremely quickly.

I mean, if they're not presenting with a fever (and supposedly this new outbreak of the virus doesn't cause fever, at least initially) how the hell do you screen for it at the border? How many of the hundreds of people from all over the damn world slip across our border have some of this scary shit in them? We already know they're bringing measles, TB, and shit we haven't had to deal with for years.

I say fuck the wall. We need land mines, razor wire, and machine gun nests with overlapping fields of fire stat.

The tin foil hat cynic in me wonders about the timing of this. The deep state Mueller probe failed. Trump is still in office. "allegedly" they are looking to investigate the origins of the dossier and fake investigation/coup. The dem primary field is a frigging clown convention. We appear to have Dodged war in Venezuela, Iran and NK much to the disappointment of the deep state globalists.

The deep state is in panic mode.

And how many people have they been in contact with on their travels here? How many other illegal Invaders have they been in contact with? What about our DHS immigration officers? All of those people have then been in contact with others and they are being bused and dispersed all over the country.

It's the perfect recipe for disaster.

 

[prambo]

If anyone wants to follow this without my rants and political bullshit, this constantly updated page should be helpful - Ebola situation reports: Democratic Republic of the Congo .

As with any large, international NGO politics and "low-balling" actual numbers might be in play. Whatever WHO puts out, it's probably somewhat worse.

 

[pjzwtl]

I hear what your saying Prambo I do, but if they can get it under control in a 3rd world shit hole I’m sure we can. The scariest thing is what if a new strain emerges where a cough is a deadly weapon?

 

[@thewheels]

My main point in this is that if it gets here, and cases exceed our BSL-IV capacity (20 or less beds nationwide) we are toast. Flu, plague, etc can be treated in normal isolation units, not Ebola or Marburg.

^^^This^^^
We're staring down the barrel of another when, not if situation with this. We just barely pulled a neo the last time.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I hear what your saying Prambo I do, but if they can get it under control in a 3rd world shit hole I’m sure we can. The scariest thing is what if a new strain emerges where a cough is a deadly weapon?

I keep hearing how Ebola isn't that easy to transmit.

My disconnect, is then why are highly trained and protected medical professionals catching it? They know and study Ebola and yet It has happened multiple times.

If those highly trained medical professionals can be infected then random Joe citizen on the street certainly can as well.

I believe @prambo is referring to only 20 hospital beds that have the facilities required (positive air pressure seal, etc..) needed to quarantine an infected individual. That's scary as well that if those beds are filled up they will be treated in impromptu WHO/MILITARY field clinics or a regular hospital.

 

[pjzwtl]

I keep hearing how Ebola isn't that easy to transmit.

My disconnect, is then why are highly trained and protected medical professionals catching it? They know and study Ebola and yet It has happened multiple times.

If those highly trained medical professionals can be infected then random Joe citizen on the street certainly can as well.

I believe @prambo is referring to only 20 hospital beds that have the facilities required (positive air pressure seal, etc..) needed to quarantine an infected individual. That's scary as well that if those beds are filled up they will be treated in impromptu WHO/MILITARY field clinics or a regular hospital.

it Is easily transmitted by bodily fluids and can live out of a host for some time. It isn’t easily transmitted like the flu. If it ever is God help us.

 

[prambo]

I hear what your saying Prambo I do, but if they can get it under control in a 3rd world shit hole I’m sure we can. The scariest thing is what if a new strain emerges where a cough is a deadly weapon?

Check out the documentary posted above. It clearly shows the containment and contact-tracing methodology. In most of these cases, if not all, Patient Zero was in an isolated village, and it spread from there to other villages or small urban centers.

The fear is that it will get to a large urban area with multiple national and international travel hubs. An actual case is described in the documentary.

Presently, much of the containment is done with a new vaccine for which it's use in western DRC is taking place without "normal" efficacy testing - it's use in DRC IS the efficacy testing.

The vaccine is the primary containment tool, and it is efficacious. But it's in short supply - CDC director expects to run out of Ebola vaccine

 

[pjzwtl]

Good timing on the email I just received!

Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness and Advancing Innovation Act (PAHPA) Heads To President for Signing

NAEMT is pleased that the House and Senate acted on this legislation which is critical to EMS preparedness and response, and the safety of our communities, during natural disasters or biological, chemical, radiological and nuclear threats to our public health and national security.

S. 1379 will ensure that health care professionals—including EMS practitioners—are trained to respond to possible pandemic outbreaks, prioritize the further development of our national stockpile of vaccines, medical equipment and diagnostics, and establish new advisory groups focused on protecting vulnerable populations such as older adults and people with disabilities during public health threats and emergencies.

 

[Acer-m14]

And once the 20 or less BSL-IV isolation units are full (IIRC, they were in the 2014 outbreak), where and how will you successfully isolate them?

its been quite a few years since i looked into traveling to Australia with a pet .. but when i did .. they had to all there shots and when they got to Oz they were in quarantine for 30 days after you got there .. .. no Rabies in Oz ..

do the same with them ( people ) coming into the USA

 

[MothMan]

Uganda confirms first Ebola case since virus broke out in Congo

 

[prambo]

Uganda confirms first Ejumpersbola case since virus broke out in Congo

Oops!! Border jumpers!! Who woulda thunk it possible.

Tick fucking tock.

 

[subsonic]

Perhaps, but while they can, they can still spread it.

Nope, asymptomatic Ebola is not contagious. It spreads from fluids (primarily hemorrhaging blood) after you start showing symptoms. At that point you will be on your back in a matter of hours if that.

Ebola wouldn’t spread outside shitholes that resemble its native range, so it probably wouldn’t leave California. Even a small outbreak would be enough to cause a mass panic though.

 

[subsonic]

prambo, you can take your tinfoil hat off. Congolese, at least the enterprising type that would make the journey, know as well as the rest of the world that they can waltz across our border and we will do nothing to them.

A quick google shows flights from Kinshasa to Mexico City from less than $1000, similar in other Central America countries. Add a few bucks for the tourist visa and necessary bribes, and voila. Anyone with a pile of cash by Congolese standards could do it on their own, or with regular assistance of local fraudsters and traffickers.

That being said, I’m sure the usual Soros entities will jump on board and help them and their friends along now that it’s trendy.

 

[prambo]

Nope, asymptomatic Ebola is not contagious. It spreads from fluids (primarily hemorrhaging blood) after you start showing symptoms. At that point you will be on your back in a matter of hours if that.

Ebola wouldn’t spread outside shitholes that resemble its native range, so it probably wouldn’t leave California. Even a small outbreak would be enough to cause a mass panic though.

prambo, you can take your tinfoil hat off. Congolese, at least the enterprising type that would make the journey, know as well as the rest of the world that they can waltz across our border and we will do nothing to them.

A quick google shows flights from Kinshasa to Mexico City from less than $1000, similar in other Central America countries. Add a few bucks for the tourist visa and necessary bribes, and voila. Anyone with a pile of cash by Congolese standards could do it on their own, or with regular assistance of local fraudsters and traffickers.

First, stop with the stupid insults.

You're wrong on so many things it's amazing.

1) I don't wear a tinfoil hat - my specialty within microbiology is parasitology, specifically tropical diseases - what's yours in?

2) watch the documentary cited above (just to make it easy, here's the link - Amazon.com: Watch Spillover: Zika, Ebola and Beyond Season 1 | Prime Video; the one patient who survived and was highlighted was mobile for quite a while, asymptomatic or not; 3) "Ebola wouldn’t spread outside shitholes that resemble its native range" - and what evidence is there for that statement? - absolutely none. What exactly then IS Ebola's "natural range"? Ebola's "natural range" is anywhere where direct transmission can occur, period - what's your definition? There is no known insect vector, and the identification of fruit bats as a reservoir host is tenuous at best.

3) there's a great deal of difference between getting into the US across the Southern border and actually getting to Mexico. Money is not the problem (although it is one - these are not entrepreneurs or college professors, they are from small villages) - distances are (it would good to remember that you can fit 3.5X of CONUS inside Africa). The straight line distance from Kinshasa to Beni (where the Uganda crossing occured) in Congo is over a 1000 miles. Traversing this distance isn't trivial, even for those with a modicum of resources.

4) Have you ever lived overseas as an ex-pat? .MIL doesn't count. I spent over 10 years in East Africa - Kenya and Ethiopia to be exact. Visa and passport control at any airport I've been to Africa (Nairobi and Addis Ababa to name two) is not some bored jerkweed waving people ahead without checking. Obtaining visas for Mexico, real or forged, by bribery or skullduggery doesn't work like a Tom Clancy novel and would involve close scrutiny or way more than "...a few bucks...". The border agents who check you through to the gate in Kenya, and particularly Ethiopia, make the TSA look like a blind version of the Three Stooges.

You're whistling past the graveyard, sir and, you could do it without being insulting.

 

[@thewheels]

Aesop's monthly update for a little dose of reality...

Raconteur Report: June Ebola Update

 

[subsonic]

Have you ever lived overseas as an ex-pat? .MIL doesn't count.

Yes, longer than you. Sorry for triggering you so badly with the phrase "tinfoil hat."

On another note, great quote here:

https://therivardreport.com/on-long...of-african-migrants-come-through-san-antonio/

He said many of the Congolese migrants have requested to go to Portland, Maine. There is a large Congolese community there, and many wanted to go to a shelter in the city, he said.

So much for Maine.

And I've had people ask me why I care about illegal immigration when NY is so far from the SW border.

 

[prambo]

Yes, longer than you. Sorry for triggering you so badly with the phrase "tinfoil hat."

On another note, great quote here:

https://therivardreport.com/on-long...of-african-migrants-come-through-san-antonio/



So much for Maine.

And I've had people ask me why I care about illegal immigration when NY is so far from the SW border.

Where were you - always enjoy hearing from others who have lived in Africa?

I wasn't "triggered" - it seemed you were making it seem like a trivial journey and the danger. The article you cited says it's not. I still question where the money is coming from. The article says they have no family in the US.

I do come on strong about this - but I have friends, and "family" through my 2nd "ex", here in the US. They came in legally, and the medical safeguards were the best they could be at the time. This whole situation is running along a razor's edge.

 

[prambo]

5-year-old Ugandan boy dies of Ebola as outbreak spreads beyond Congo

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Aesop's monthly update for a little dose of reality...

Raconteur Report: June Ebola Update

I just read the entire link.

Sigh....