Robin
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Religious views of Thomas Jefferson - Wikipedia
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Constitutionality conversation.
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Robin
If not for God there would be no Atheists!
Robin
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Or as I like to say, If God did not exist, man would invent one.
Robin
Was the Bill of Rights Meant to Apply to the States?
tenthamendmentcenter.com
Applying the Bill of Rights to state governments
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Was the Bill of Rights Meant to Apply to the States? | Tenth Amendment Center
Most people have never read the preamble to the Bill of Rights. In fact, a lot of people don’t even know it includes one.
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Applying the Bill of Rights to state governments
Applying the Bill of Rights to state governments | Sixth Amendment Center
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Marine Cpl
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Regarding this religion shit. It says that Congress shall make no law establishing religion or prohibiting it’s practice.
If someone in town hall wants to put up a nativity scene, a law isn’t being made establishing a religion. Nor is their a law banning her from practicing it and putting up that nativity scene.
The amendment was made so that the government doesn’t establish Islam for example as the official religion and ban you from practicing Christianity or Judaism.
So someone in town hall putting up a religious symbol isn’t violating the amendment.
If someone in town hall wants to put up a nativity scene, a law isn’t being made establishing a religion. Nor is their a law banning her from practicing it and putting up that nativity scene.
The amendment was made so that the government doesn’t establish Islam for example as the official religion and ban you from practicing Christianity or Judaism.
So someone in town hall putting up a religious symbol isn’t violating the amendment.
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Athiesm isn't a belief. It is a LACK of belief.
Yes, there is a difference.
Religious symbols are not permitted on public property NOT because of Athiesm, but because the various religions can't play nice.
if you want to put the 10 Commandments on a plaque in City Hall, that's great. But you cannot then complain if the Church of Satanism wants to put their pentacle right next to it.
Because religions refuse to accept that there are other religions out there, and keep trying to force theirs on the public while simultaneously denying others the same Right, none are allowed to be there.
Not to mention it would get pretty damned crowded if each and every religion then decided to put something up.
Will you also support a muslim putting up something from their religion?
What about a Satanist?
What about a Wiccan?
Marine Cpl
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Yes. As long as they’re not passing a law making it the official religion.
Marine Cpl
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Was the Bill of Rights Meant to Apply to the States?
Was the Bill of Rights Meant to Apply to the States? | Tenth Amendment Center
Most people have never read the preamble to the Bill of Rights. In fact, a lot of people don’t even know it includes one.
Applying the Bill of Rights to state governments
Applying the Bill of Rights to state governments | Sixth Amendment Center
Correct. There was confusion whether the BOR applied to the states. Some argued that it did via Article 6. Others said that it didn’t. To make sense of this confusion an amendment was legally added via constitutional convention with a 2/3’s majority to definitively apply it to the states.
Why was this done? To prevent what is happening now. To prevent a state from passing gun laws that the federal government cannot thus rendering the BORs useless.
Imagine how life would be if the federal government could not limit free speech against the sitting president but he got all the states to do it for him.
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Toecutter
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I believe we focus to much on the bill of rights and not the body of the constitution. I understand the constitution does bind the government in many ways that doesnt mean we ignore it. Congress has no power to pass laws on what we own or how we choose to live our lives THAT IS LIBERTY. All gun laws are unconstitutional, all drug laws are unconstitutional . Stopping someone from marrying who they love is unconstitutional . As well as stopping someone from practicing religion as long as they are not harming stealing or forcing someome to do something they dont want to.
There is only 3 crimes in this world depriving people of their life ,liberty and property. All of which every goverment which ever exsisted has done. Every day in America the government commits these crimes.
Section 8
1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
13: To provide and maintain a Navy;
14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
There is only 3 crimes in this world depriving people of their life ,liberty and property. All of which every goverment which ever exsisted has done. Every day in America the government commits these crimes.
Section 8
1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
13: To provide and maintain a Navy;
14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
I agree!! Smaller though, too many on this forum and elsewhere that I see, focus way to much on only one Amendment. While the others slip away right before their eyes!
Robin
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The bill of rights is what protects us, We The People, from the government nuancing the rest of the constitution in its seemingly never ending effort to abridge the first ten amendments. It is this that binds us as a people, well it usr to be.
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Sons of Confederate Veterans appeals Christmas parade denial
A group that was denied permission to march in a Louisiana city's Christmas parade when it insisted on carrying Confederate battle flags asked a federal appeals court Tuesday to revive its lawsuit alleging constitutional violations. The permit for the Louisiana Sons of Confederate Veterans was...
I see this as a perfect example of a direct violation to numerous parts of the Constitution.
@thewheels
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And the SCROTUS bandits managed to middle finger the 14th and assumed the authority to implement selective incorporation.
It ticks zero of the boxes?
That's an easy one. So now that we know you don't understand what Atheism is, the lack of a belief in a God or Gods, your position makes more sense.
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Peganism?
No word play involved.
Right. They understand this right until it's a religion they don't agree with wanting to put something up.
Let's expand on this. You are called into court on charge of disrespecting the prophet Muhammed.
As you walk into the court, do you want it adorned with Quran verses, or sterile?
Marine Cpl
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No. And I think forcing me to swear on the Bible is wrong too.
Thankfully that isn't required.
That's a fine example of why it must be freedom from religion, in the essence of the government condoning one.
Good luck getting these folks to swear on a Quran and then brushing it off as "welp, the founders did believe in a higher power, deal with it."
Good luck getting these folks to swear on a Quran and then brushing it off as "welp, the founders did believe in a higher power, deal with it."
Curmudgeon
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Adams as well as Paine, like Franklin and Jefferson were Deists. They did believe in a Supreme Being or creator.Religious views of Thomas Jefferson - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Robin
Well, they most certainly all agreed a person's religious beliefs were nobody else's business. Deism, of the time, was most certainly not religion. They actually rejected the idea of a supernatural being. That being said...
Jefferson - "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." Letter to Peter Carr
Franklin - "Lighthouses are more useful than churches."
Paine - objected to organized religion, criticized Christianity and advocated for reason and free thought. Age of Reason 1793.
Curmudgeon
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I'm fine with anyone who doesn't get their morals from the old testament or the other earlier works of fiction it was derived from.
spat
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You believe that the universe was created *without* the intervention of a divine being. That certainly seems like an unprovable faith about how the universe was created to me.
That is even harder to prove than the deists position.
You like to pretend that your beliefs are rooted in "science", but they are not.
Science attempts to determine a set of rules that accurately describe *how* the universe works. It says nothing about why *that* set of rules are the ones that apply. That is the realm of religion.
Curmudgeon
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Could you explain that?
Hold on a second, we already covered that you don't understand what atheism is.
It makes no claims on the creation of the universe.
It also makes no claims of belief. It is a rejection of the claim that a God or Gods exist.
And your last paragraph describes philosophy, not religion.