Couple Sues walmart over inadequate security

[Celt]

So does the store that does not have a no guns policy have a responsibility to protect you if theres an armed robbery and you're shot by either the robber or an armed patron?

If you really, truly fear for your life walking into Walmart- what's forcing you to go to Walmart?

As for a store that DOES NOT have a no gun policy, they would have no obligation (from my perspectice) to provide personal protection because they arent denying you from being armed if you so choose.

What if Walmart is the only place someone on a limited budget, in a small town can go to?

I do get yours and @Darth s point, I do get that 100%, and even wrestled with that side of things while working out an opinion on this. However, when looking at it as a life safety issue I dont see how its any different than any other requirements that i already mentioned.

Dont take this as me blasting your side of this, and Im open to counter points to my opinion on this. As I continue to learn and become more informed my opinions on some things will change depending on what its about.

 

[Edwardteach72]

As for a store that DOES NOT have a no gun policy, they would have no obligation (from my perspectice) to provide personal protection because they arent denying you from being armed if you so choose.

What if Walmart is the only place someone on a limited budget, in a small town can go to?

I do get yours and @Darth s point, I do get that 100%, and even wrestled with that side of things while working out an opinion on this. However, when looking at it as a life safety issue I dont see how its any different than any other requirements that i already mentioned.

Dont take this as me blasting your side of this, and Im open to counter points to my opinion on this. As I continue to learn and become more informed my opinions on some things will change depending on what its about.

Implying Walmart actuall has the best prices on things.. when they more times than not dont

 

[Celt]

Implying Walmart actuall has the best prices on things.. when they more times than not dont

Im not implying that. Although typically their ammo is cheaper than at an LGS.

What if its the only store in an area that has essentials that someone needs?

 

[Darth]

If a store chooses not to put in a fire suppression system or have properly working doors, or marked exits (any fire code requirements) and the place catches fire then tough crap for you.

If a restaurant doesnt provide soap for its employees to wash hands after using the bathroom and you catch ecoli then too bad for you.

This is not the same as baking someone a gay cake. Its a life safety issue.

I actually agree with your first 2 paragraphs ...

 

[spat]

If a store has a no gun policy, and you still choose to shop there, the store has zero responsibility to protect you.

If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.

And they call the millennials entitled...

You make a decision when you decide to shop in a store. You have every opportunity to not shop there. They owe you nothing.

Their no guns sign is advertising their premises as a gun free zone. They are then obligated to make a reasonable attempt to provide that.

It's just like a restaurant that advertises allergen free food, but fails to take steps to ensure that is the case.

It's false advertising, a form of fraud. That is why they are liable.

They aren't responsible for protecting you, you are correct about that, but they are responsible for delivering the promised "gun free zone".

So if some guy beats you half to death, you can't sue them under that doctrine. But if you get shot you could.

 

[Celt]

I actually agree with your first 2 paragraphs ...

I know where youre coming from, gov should mind their own business and let stores do whatever they want. I am certainly for limited govt, but what is your argument for stores that service the public not providing safety measures? Again, I am for limited govt, not no govt.

 

[Celt]

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They aren't responsible for protecting you, you are correct about that, but they are responsible for delivering the promised "gun free zone".

So if some guy beats you half to death, you can't sue them under that doctrine. But if you get shot you could.

I like that point.

 

[Darth]

I know where youre coming from, gov should mind their own business and let stores do whatever they want. I am certainly for limited govt, but what is your argument for stores that service the public not providing safety measures? Again, I am for limited govt, not no govt.

"Customer assumes all risks by entering."

 

[Darth]

Their no guns sign is advertising their premises as a gun free zone. They are then obligated to make a reasonable attempt to provide that.

It's just like a restaurant that advertises allergen free food, but fails to take steps to ensure that is the case.

It's false advertising, a form of fraud. That is why they are liable.

They aren't responsible for protecting you, you are correct about that, but they are responsible for delivering the promised "gun free zone".

So if some guy beats you half to death, you can't sue them under that doctrine. But if you get shot you could.

No?

"They are obligated to..."

Why? By whom?

 

[VietnamEraVet]

"Customer assumes all risks by entering."

That doesn’t fly. According to various lawyers I have spoken to through the years, just posting a sign saying you are not liable does not automatically mean you are not liable.

Car parking lots in cities do that all of the time, in an effort to dissuade people from suing them when their car gets damaged in their lot. But they ARE liable, and many customers who have not been dissuaded by a sign have recovered damages.

 

[spat]

No?

"They are obligated to..."

Why? By whom?

The same reason a car dealership that advertises a new truck for $10k is obligated to have a reasonable number of them for sale.

They have accepted the obligation when they advertised the offer.

Bait and switch is considered a form of false advertising, i.e. fraud. Even the most hard core libertarian has to acknowledge that theft should be illegal. Fraud is a form of theft.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Again you are confusing a prohibition with a promise.

Akin to "no external food or drink" at the movie theater.