Robin
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Really?!?!?!??! Another stupid law based on what? Some dipshit with watery loins. Where's my hacksaw!
Robin
Curious rimfire ratshot question.
- Thread starter FrankenCub
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Robin
I don't get it - I mean, what's the point ? I've killed hundreds of rats in the city using a bolt action .22 rimfire rifle. If you use CCI Short Hollow-Point ammo, the report is not enough to draw attention of anyone, while still providing clean kills.
We had a rat problem several years ago. The city was ripping up and replacing sanitary and storm sewer lines which drove the rats out. Garbage cans and trash on the ground soon provided food. They quickly established tunnels and found new nesting quarters. I took my rifle and mounted a red laser to it. Sighted in perfectly for 30'. I could sit in the upstairs window and shoot them in the back of the head all night long. I had a 2x4 that I would wire a piece of lightly cooked ( still rubbery ) bacon to and bait them. It was actually good fun. I doubt that it had a real effect on the population, but I like to think it helped.
By the sounds of it, you don't have the "city" issues to deal with, so I would just shoot them outright. Forget about using shot.
If you're serious about putting a hurt on the population, there are a few really great traps you can make that can catch dozens every night.
We had a rat problem several years ago. The city was ripping up and replacing sanitary and storm sewer lines which drove the rats out. Garbage cans and trash on the ground soon provided food. They quickly established tunnels and found new nesting quarters. I took my rifle and mounted a red laser to it. Sighted in perfectly for 30'. I could sit in the upstairs window and shoot them in the back of the head all night long. I had a 2x4 that I would wire a piece of lightly cooked ( still rubbery ) bacon to and bait them. It was actually good fun. I doubt that it had a real effect on the population, but I like to think it helped.
By the sounds of it, you don't have the "city" issues to deal with, so I would just shoot them outright. Forget about using shot.
If you're serious about putting a hurt on the population, there are a few really great traps you can make that can catch dozens every night.
FrankenCub
.308 Win
The point of using shot? Proximity to our vehicles and direction of shots towards road. The shot is safe, hollow points could be sketchy. I don't just preach safe shots.
I could probably set up differently but I don't let my stepson shoot regular bullets out there either. And I'm not about to look like a hypocrite lol.
I could probably set up differently but I don't let my stepson shoot regular bullets out there either. And I'm not about to look like a hypocrite lol.
Vapor
6.5 Creedmoor
Would about upping the ante and grabbing. .410 single shot?
FrankenCub
.308 Win
I could use a .410 sxs but where I'm shooting it's overkill.
I shot an opossum in my mobile home with my Ruger single six one night (1978) about 9' from me. It came in from a hole in the floor where the water heater sits, it blew up when I was gone and water was flowing until my next door neighbor saw it and turned it off and I hadn't gotten around to patching the hole.
It was standing in front of the oven eating cat kibble, didn't put a scratch in the oven or floor.
It was standing in front of the oven eating cat kibble, didn't put a scratch in the oven or floor.
gun_slinger_boy
.308 Win
Im glad that where I'm at I can shoot the chipmunks with a 12 gauge slug if necessary.
I would agree with your gunsmith., reaming out the rifling on the 22 bbl may not be a good idea. When shot the bullet might be like a pinball traveling down the barrel. just a thought.
How about a .410 for rat control? Maybe a shockwave in .410 or the S&W Governor, Taurus Judge revolvers.
(A friend has used a pellet rifle to kill a couple of rats.)
How about a .410 for rat control? Maybe a shockwave in .410 or the S&W Governor, Taurus Judge revolvers.
(A friend has used a pellet rifle to kill a couple of rats.)
I had rats in my garage once. I suspect they came from the swamp across the road. I went out one night with my 686 loaded with shot shells. I waited until I heard them scurrying around, turned on the light and let one fly. Killed the rat but my ears rang for days. Won't do that again.
FrankenCub
.308 Win
Reaming the rifling out wouldn't be the problem, the size he'd have to use would take it beyond the rifling and open the barrel up past .22 cal.
A .410 is overkill for where I'm shooting and risk damaging vehicles or shot ending up passing towards the road. Sticking with .22 for safety reasons.
I have killed a bunch with me pellet rifle but many times I need to get them on the run.
I can imagine how that sounded lol. I let one rip with my 686 between a couple sheds shooting at a target in the back yard. Bad idea lol.
repete
.308 Win
How about using a cheap 22mag revolver? You'd only have to ream out 6 or so inches making that easier and you'd have follow up shots. You might be able to ream it out with a snug fitting jag, some patches and valve grinding compound and a lot of elbow grease.
FrankenCub
.308 Win
Not so easy in NY, it then becomes an AOW. I looked into that a couple years ago.
spat
.450/400 Nitro Ex
How worn does rifling have to be before it's illegal ?
I bet there is some overlap where there's enough to be legal but not enough to cause problems with your pattern.
Also, what twist rate is necessary ? I bet a 1" in 100' twist rate wouldn't affect your pattern at all. But you could still have full depth rifling....
GOYABEAN
.577 Tyrannosaur.
His Man card should be revoked
Robin
.450/400 Nitro Ex
You ream to the base of the grooves and it will seal up fine.
Robin
Robin
FrankenCub
.308 Win
My gunsmith doesn't have any tooling to do that unfortunately. Closest he can get is too far. I could buy it but I'd never use it again, neither would he.
meketrefe
.338 Win Mag
What rifle is that?
Aside from the practicality of it, illegal to smooth a barrel? not sure I follow.
spat
.450/400 Nitro Ex
A smooth bore pistol would make it an AOW IIRC, one I believe you *could* own in NY on a pistol permit, you just have to do the federal dance (like the serbu super shorty).
Don't think there would be a problem with a rifle as long as the barrel is 18" or more, that would just make it a .22cal shotgun.
With a barrel between 16 and 18" that would be legal as a rifle, but would fall under the short barrel shotgun once it was a smoothbore and would be NFA and not NY friendly.
meketrefe
.338 Win Mag
Not sure he said a pistol but anyway what is the minimum length and depth of the rifling independently of the barrel length?
spat
.450/400 Nitro Ex
He didn't, but parts of the conversation strayed into pistol territory.
That was my observation as well, there is no spec for rifling depth or length in the law.
There also is no spec for twist rate, so for his application you could do full length and depth and just a very low twist rate.
meketrefe
.338 Win Mag
I asked that for a reason. it is like in Russia people must own a shotgun caliber for 2 years before getting a rifle so what the industry did
was create a few rounds like the 366 tkm (derived from the 7.62x39 case) or the 9.6x53 Lancaster (Derived from the 7.62x54R)
and barreled popular guns with rifling in a small section at the front of the barrel only same length as rifled chokes in shotguns.
So there people have a "shotgun" AK in some pretty cool and effective cartridges .
Similar directives and BS like the indiana legal hunting cartriges here.
Have you considered a revolver? A Heritage Rough Rider or a new Ruger Wrangler or best yet a Used Ruger Single Six with the magnum cylinder.
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FrankenCub
.308 Win
Might be a good idea. I'll have to look around for something 22 mag.Have you considered a revolver? A Heritage Rough Rider or a new Ruger Wrangler or best yet a Used Ruger Single Six with the magnum cylinder.
Ammo Testing Rat Shot - CCI 22 Long Rifle #12 Shot
22 caliber shot shell, or rat shot loads, are short-range pest control loads without much power. But how much damage can they really do?
Robin
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I have a .62 cal. smoothbore pistol. Single shot, but boy what a shot!
Robin
Robin
FrankenCub
.308 Win
And cheap lol. Single six not gonna be it.
I did say a used one!! I know new they are pricey, my first Pistol was the Hunter model.
FrankenCub
.308 Win
Did a quick search for used and still over $400. Not home to make a deeper search. Also, I'm not picky about appearance. Can be beat to shit, I'll paint it if need be lol.
FrankenCub
.308 Win
So if I'm considering a revolver, what the thoughts on a max barrel length (or minimum) to keep a decent pattern with shot?
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