DeSantis...this is not going to help him!! (Concealed Carry Illegally Banned at Upcoming DeSantis Event)

[Rap]

While I understand where you’re coming from show me one politician that allows guns at any of their events.

They don't and this is a problem. That pro-2A politicians don't is particularly problematic.

 

[Paxal]

Because bad guys listen to rules and laws. How can we convince everyone else if we don't live our own beliefs?

Well, you’ve got a good point. I just think maybe they got a heads up on something and needed to take action.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Well, you’ve got a good point. I just think maybe they got a heads up on something and needed to take action.

Safety is an illusion. Lock doors only keep the honest folks out. People still die in car wrecks with seat belts and airbags. Cancer, war, biden. You never know what will get you. The best you can do is just be prepared for everyday things and have faith in God.

 

[John Stark]

DeSantis, like Trump, has a big target on his back. I don’t consider him a hypocrite for banning guns at his rally. He can’t do his job if he’s is dead.

So guns for the "important" people when there might be a threat, but the "unimportant" people can fuck off?

Thanks for making your position clear.

Remember that next time you're bitching about being disarmed by unconstitutional laws, or when a "sensitive place" demands that you put yourself at risk for the "special people" in that very safe gun free zone. They will be just as vulnerable to criminals and jackboots as you will be.

I guess "four legs good, two legs bad" wasn't just fiction after all.

Personally I'm all for people making arrangements for their own security; all people, not just some of them.

 

[Paxal]

So guns for the "important" people when there might be a threat, but the "unimportant" people can fuck off?

Thanks for making your position clear.

Remember that next time you're bitching about being disarmed by unconstitutional laws, or when a "sensitive place" demands that you put yourself at risk for the "special people" in that very safe gun free zone. They will be just as vulnerable to criminals and jackboots as you will be.

I guess "four legs good, two legs bad" wasn't just fiction after all.

Personally I'm all for people making arrangements for their own security; all people, not just some of them.

I don’t disagree. I was really just giving my opinion on why guns were banned at this event. Is he in fear of his life, who the fuck knows. Do I think people should be banned from going to that event armed? No.

 

[Phazer]

Not disagreeing but as goperfect said these decisions were probably not decided by him. My point was aimed at the justification. In my humble opinion, there is no justification for revoking, removal, denial, stealing of rights. They are either inalienable or they are not.

If I have to enter an area that is secured and vetted by the Secret Service, I'm fine with not having a personal defensive firearm in that secured zone.

When I go about my business during the rest of my life, without the benefit of a Secret Service cordon, I am not alright with being deprived of my 2A rights. Especially, when those rights are being denied by those who protect themselves with guardians for which I pay.

 

[SomeSoldier]

If I have to enter an area that is secured and vetted by the Secret Service, I'm fine with not having a personal defensive firearm in that secured zone.

When I go about my business during the rest of my life, without the benefit of a Secret Service cordon, I am not alright with being deprived of my 2A rights. Especially, when those rights are being denied by those who protect themselves with guardians for which I pay.

The secret service isn't there to protect you and if something kicks off they have zero empathy about running you over to save their assignment. I trust no one but myself with my security.

 

[Far king]

Well, you’ve got a good point. I just think maybe they got a heads up on something and needed to take action.

The secret service isn't there to protect you and if something kicks off they have zero empathy about running you over to save their assignment. I trust no one but myself with my security.

How does one protect ones self against the likes of a suicide vest in a crowd?

 

[Phazer]

The secret service isn't there to protect you and if something kicks off they have zero empathy about running you over to save their assignment. I trust no one but myself with my security.

Fine. And agreed.

However, in a "secured area," those around you will not have additional weapons. Sure, they'll still have hands and feet (which can do considerable damage), but they won't have you "outgunned."

As you noted, the secure area is to protect the speaker/candidate/official and not the audience. You are right. All that "the masses" can do in those circumstances is accede to the protection protocols or not attend such events. It's still supposedly a free country. Attend or don't attend...that's your prerogative.

 

[John Stark]

I don’t disagree. I was really just giving my opinion on why guns were banned at this event. Is he in fear of his life, who the fuck knows. Do I think people should be banned from going to that event armed? No.

I appreciate your reply, thank you for clarifying and being willing to engage further.

I am admittedly getting more severe and harsh in my responses to what is going on this country. What I see going on sickens my soul, and frankly I'm super pissed that so many people on our side who believe in our Constitutional system of government are throwing it away without hardly any fight or push back.

Seeing Desantis willing to break Florida law so he can speak somewhere irks the hell out of me. Its one of the states on our list for our bug out.

 

[Grimscale]

How does one protect ones self against the likes of a suicide vest in a crowd?

By not being in crowds.

How does one protect one's self against rogue Secret Service personnel out to help with the subjugation of society?

 

[dwa12479]

If I have to enter an area that is secured and vetted by the Secret Service, I'm fine with not having a personal defensive firearm in that secured zone.

When I go about my business during the rest of my life, without the benefit of a Secret Service cordon, I am not alright with being deprived of my 2A rights. Especially, when those rights are being denied by those who protect themselves with guardians for which I pay.

Agreed here. And when I do decide to enter that secured area, thats my choice. If I truly don't feel safe and comfortable there, then don't go in.

 

[SomeSoldier]

How does one protect ones self against the likes of a suicide vest in a crowd?

Stay away from crowds. Me personally I don't visit places like the mall anymore. I haven't since I got back from Iraq. I don't like people much either.

How do you defend against nuclear threats?

Let's be honest. You can't plan for everything it's impossible. You do what you can the best you. But that doesn't mean it's OK for the government to remove your rights from you for any reason.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Fine. And agreed.

However, in a "secured area," those around you will not have additional weapons. Sure, they'll still have hands and feet (which can do considerable damage), but they won't have you "outgunned."

As you noted, the secure area is to protect the speaker/candidate/official and not the audience. You are right. All that "the masses" can do in those circumstances is accede to the protection protocols or not attend such events. It's still supposedly a free country. Attend or don't attend...that's your prerogative.

How did that work for the people in the Vegas shooting? I would consider that a secure area.

I completely agree, it's why I don't attention those types of events but that still doesn't fix the issue that these employees of the people are doing nothing to protect your rights if they strip them for their own protection.

Matter of fact are they not sworn to protect you from both foreign and domestic? Is it not their duty to put their life on the line to protect this country which is the people?