Discussion about red dot scopes....

[Marine Cpl]

I will say this. If it's a combat rifle, a rugged red dot will serve you well.

Check out Primary Arms Micro Dot torture tests. They are as rugged as an Aimpoint and hold zero.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Here is the crux of the delima: We all know a chunk of the Aimpoint premium price is for the name, but u ow big a chunk? We also know there are no free lunches, as the price goes down, at what point are corners being cut? Where is the medium? I gotta start looking at the PA stuff since I have seen vids of those getting beat to hell and beyond and still working, but what does PA sacrifice to get such durability at the price?

I had an Aimpoint Micro on a personal rifle and an Aimpoint Comp M4 on an issued M4 in the National Guard.

My Primary Arms Advanced Micro Dot at a 1/4 of the price seems just as well built. It's been left on for about a year and half now on the same battery. The torture tests speak for themselves.

 

[Podmonkey]

Not doubting the toughness, what about the clarity, size, weight, how are the adjustments to work with? Where are they made? Any negatives at all to report about the PA?

 

[Marine Cpl]

But what does PA sacrifice to get such durability at the price?

Chinese labor.

 

[Podmonkey]

Chinese labor.

Yeah that always bugs me. I am paranoid about Chinese stuff. I'm sure in this case it's fine but.........
I don't trust anything Chinese any further than I can throw it with a broken arm.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Not doubting the toughness, what about the clarity, size, weight, how are the adjustments to work with? Where are they made? Any negatives at all to report about the PA?

The only thing different from an Aimpoint is that there is a slight tint on the glass. Clarity wise it's the same but there is a slight tint.

As far as weight goes, it the same size and weight as an Aimpoint Micro as far as I can tell without a scale.

The only reason I got rid of the Aimpoint Micro was because it was a 4moa model. I didn't want to pay another 600 bucks for the 2moa model so I gave the PA a try. It was worth keeping so I sold the Aimpoint on AR15.com

 

[Podmonkey]

Fair enough. I too want a 2 MOA dot.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Yeah that always bugs me. I am paranoid about Chinese stuff. I'm sure in this case it's fine but.........
I don't trust anything Chinese any further than I can throw it with a broken arm.

Trust me. This optic is rugged. It was on top of my KSG for a while when I had it and it handled the recoil no problem. It now sits on my 9mm AR.

 

[Podmonkey]

Trust me. This optic is rugged. It was on top of my KSG for a while when I had it and it handled the recoil no problem. It now sits on my 9mm AR.

No, I accept what you are telling me. It's just when it comes to Chinese gun stuff I have this crazy delusion that it's maybe been sabotaged or something. As if some Chinese intelligence guy is watching on a sat feed as an American goes to use a his countries hardware in defense and presses a button an boom, a little explosive charge goes off. "Ha ha, stupid capitalist American dog!"
That's what growing up in the cold war will do to you I guess.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Fair enough. I too want a 2 MOA dot.

I have slight astigmatism since getting my my lasik. With the 4moa, I saw a cluster of grapes instead of a dot on a dark day or indoors.

With the 2 moa, I see one dot. I can't tell you if it's the size of the dot that made a difference or maybe it was the way the Aimpoint transmitted the dot. But no more do I see a cluster of grapes.

 

[Podmonkey]

I have slight astigmatism since getting my my lasik. With the 4moa, I saw a cluster of grapes instead of a dot on a dark day or indoors.

With the 2 moa, I see one dot. I can't tell you if it's the size of the dot that made a difference or maybe it was the way the Aimpoint transmitted the dot. But no more do I see a cluster of grapes.

Luckily my visor is still razor sharp. 20/10 in the dominant right eye and 20/15 in the left. I'm turning 39 soon though, how much longer can it last I wonder?

 

[FrankenCub]

I will say this. If it's a combat rifle, a rugged red dot will serve you well.

Check out Primary Arms Micro Dot torture tests. They are as rugged as an Aimpoint and hold zero.

Also made by Holosun.
I've also read some negative reviews on Holosun but also seen the torture tests they put them and PA branded dots through and they get hammered. It was enough for me to be confident enough to buy the Holosun. I did also look at the Sig versions because they do have a sleek look, but didn't want to pay the extra for the look. Aimpoint and Trijicon would have been sweet but way out of my pay grade. So far I really like my Holosun. I haven't abused it like they have on many of the tests but it gets it's share of banging around and hasn't lost zero yet and always comes on when I grab my rifle.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

PA is Chinese.

Most are.

If you want the best suck it up and get an aimpoint.

I bought my aimpoint used.....3-4 years ago. Itreat it real rough. Still works. I have never turned it off either....

 

[Podmonkey]

Also made by Holosun.
I've also read some negative reviews on Holosun but also seen the torture tests they put them and PA branded dots through and they get hammered. It was enough for me to be confident enough to buy the Holosun. I did also look at the Sig versions because they do have a sleek look, but didn't want to pay the extra for the look. Aimpoint and Trijicon would have been sweet but way out of my pay grade. So far I really like my Holosun. I haven't abused it like they have on many of the tests but it gets it's share of banging around and hasn't lost zero yet and always comes on when I grab my rifle.

Ahhh, so it's all the same manufacturer. Got it. I also must admit the Romeo's look would compliment the the Daniel Defence pretty well. Not important really but it is the sort of thing I'm a sucker for.

 

[Podmonkey]

PA is Chinese.

Most are.

If you want the best suck it up and get an aimpoint.

I bought my aimpoint used.....3-4 years ago. Itreat it real rough. Still works. I have never turned it off either....

Yeah, that's kinda what it comes down to don't it? That's why the MRO is attractive to me though. American made (read not Chinese as far I am concerned) tough like all Trijicon products, and the wide field of view the 25mm objective offers and less expensive than the Aimpoint micros to boot. Also have read about problems with the goofy battery cap design, some fisheye distortion caused by the big objective and it seems to have the same blue tint as the cheaper Chinese sights.

 

[Marine Cpl]

In all fairness, Primary Arms is an American company that uses Chinese labor just like the device you are typing from.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ifSSkOm55_G-F1UwQ&sig2=b_D4Fqt7wHi54MeHeO1yPA

 

[FrankenCub]

In all fairness, Primary Arms is an American company that uses Chinese labor just like the device you are typing from.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ifSSkOm55_G-F1UwQ&sig2=b_D4Fqt7wHi54MeHeO1yPA

Most of my AR parts came from Primary Love that place!

 

[Robin]

One thing about the Eotech, that little TV like aperture gave me the very best quick target acquisition of all of them.
Robin

 

[speedkills27]

You can never go wrong with the Aimpoint PRO for the money also.[/QUOTE]

I was looking at this one.

ROMEO7 1x30 mm

I have used a Romeo7 on an instructors gun at the Sig Academy and really liked it. As stated previously you can switch between just a dot and the recticle. I own 2 Aimpoints, one PRO mounted on a rifle i dont shoot much, and the other one is a an older CompM2 (which i believe is the PRO model now) mounted to a LaRue quick detach mount. The latter is my go to sight its been through 1500 round classes, and days at a buddys farm, and handles everything great. My next red dot will be a Trijicon MRO

 

[Marine Cpl]

With a red dot, you can also practice with irons by turning off the dot and looking through the glass unlike a scope that would have to be removed and rezeroed once installed again.

This is an important combat feature. The ability to use your irons quickly in case of failure.

 

[speedkills27]

with the Romeo7 we were accurately engaging targets out to 125 yds. It did get a bit hard to see the steel targets with the 4 moa dot but we were ringing em. I personally dont like the mount that comes with the PRO I have to do some weird neck positions to get a good cheek weld and sight picture, but that may just be a ME thing.

 

[Podmonkey]

I've been looking at these things, not much info is out there yet but I like the form factor and the wide view. Price is good too. Seems like it does what the MRO does without the drawbacks.
DI Optics EG-1

 

[Marine Cpl]

I've been looking at these things, not much info is out there yet but I like the form factor and the wide view. Price is good too. Seems like it does what the MRO does without the drawbacks.
DI Optics EG-1

Looks like quality.

 

[Podmonkey]

Looks like quality.

Dats da problem though, what little I've read about DI is mixed. That's regarding their cheaper tube style offerings.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Dats da problem though, what little I've read about DI is mixed. That's regarding their cheaper tube style offerings.

Then I would go with a trusted brand that can take abuse. Aimpoint or Primary Arms.

 

[GUNSICK]

Primary Arms the best garbage you can get for the money lol!

 

[Marine Cpl]

Primary Arms the best garbage you can get for the money lol!

The torture tests speak for themselves. In this one it gets dragged by a truck and the lenses crack and still it holds zero.

 

[Podmonkey]

Then I would go with a trusted brand that can take abuse. Aimpoint or Primary Arms.

There are a few things I really like about it though. Namely that big view, and I think rugged wise they are gtg. The company has been providing similar style sights for machine guns and other crew served weapons for years, both our military and South Korea's. Battery life is not great, but that may be because it's a prism sight using a laser for the dot. I may just try one out.
Did some research. From what I can tell the EG1 is a rebranded (for ITAR compliance) DCL30 which is in limited service with the South Korean military on the K2 rifle and K3 light machine gun.
Those are decent credentials it seems.

 

[Podmonkey]

So I actually went ahead and bought the EG 1. I am taking a chance on this because it checks all my boxes for a red dot. It should be ridiculously rugged, it has a large field of view, it has what seems to be crystal clear, tint free glass. And also it does not cost midrange variable scope money. I paid $423 for it.
It does have a pretty short battery life compared to other red dots but that doesn't really bother me, 3 months of continuous on is still a long time and it will be a simple matter to load up a battery caddy and stow it in the grip.
If it sucks I'll return or sell it and get a PA or aimpoint pro.