Once again, the opinion of the people has no bearing whatsoever on the truth.
Large numbers of people think the earth is flat. I will spend zero effort in convincing them it's not. They must demonstrate it is.
Election Coverage And Results Thread
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Large numbers of people think the earth is flat. I will spend zero effort in convincing them it's not. They must demonstrate it is.
spat
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Everybody here could prove it.
They just don’t care to bother.
A couple hour drive is all it would take for most.
And how would they prove it?
spat
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Who is it you're trying to convince the election wasn't riddled with fraud ?
They are the ones setting the standard of proof.
spat
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By standing in your driveway and saying "no ferrari here" ?
GOYABEAN
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It's not like any of these corrupt politicians gives a rat's ass what or whomever screws our country over they're all well off as far money and stocks and property to liquidate at a moment's notice even the newly appointed ones figured out the scheme that omar is embezzling money through her husband if you can call him that since apparently she married her brother in a scheme to get into our country D.C. is as corrupt as it comes and they don't want anyone rocking the boat so yeah this election wasn't corrupted 
I'm not trying to convince anyone.
Yet again. I have no need to. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
It's invisible.
spat
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Prove it.
In your view, it's not up to me. You have to prove I don't have one.
spat
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There is no absolute concept of "proof".
There is only "enough proof to convince the people I'm trying to convince".
Proof in a civil trial like this one is just "more likely than not"
Proof in a criminal trial is "beyond a reasonable doubt".
Proof in science tends to be "confidence interval beyond 6 standard deviations.
Who mentioned absolute proof? We haven't even established or discussed a standard of proof.
spat
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No, I don't.
All the people participating in this discussion will accept my assertion that you do *not* have an invisible gold plated ferrari in your driveway on it's face.
I can also offer proof right now that you don't.
It's not possible for one to exist with present technology.
We would all be satisfied with that standard of proof for election fraud as well.
"It is not possible with current technology to commit election fraud on a scale sufficient to alter the outcome of the election"
That is a standard of proof that is not only quite possible to achieve, but that we should insist on.
spat
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Well, you claim it's not possible to prove a negative. That statement is only true in an absolute sense.
In the real world we do it all the time.
I can prove that none of your invisible car, godzilla, or king kong exist.
We are entitled to that level of confidence in our elections. It has not been provided.
According to your very stance, you do. You asked others to prove there was no fraud. A negative. An impossibility.
Once yet again, the "acceptance of all the people participating in the discussion" is irrelevant. No bearing on the truth.
And I brought the Ferrari to the driveway with a time machine.
No matter what claim you make, I can get get more absurd. Hence it is literally impossible to prove a negative.
But thankfully I do not have to. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
spat
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You are claiming that election fraud has not altered the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.
You have offered no proof whatsoever.
And where exactly did I make this claim?
spat
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So you admit that fraud *may* have altered the outcome ?
I "admit" nothing.
I have made no claim on the issue. You have. Provide evidence.
(The clearest sign of no actual evidence existing btw is this semantic game. Happens all the time with the religious discussions. "Well prove God DOESN'T EXIST! Lolz.)
Dr. Evil
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Never said that. I said it is pretty sad you are afraid to disagree with your wife and took the easy way out, regardless of your interpretation of my comments.What is really shocking is that it appears you think harmony in a marriage is less important than voting for trump.
At least I had the backbone to vote for the policies I felt are best for the country irregardless of whether my wife shared the same beliefs or not. Thank G-d she does. Sure, my vote doesn't count for much in NY but using that as an excuse, so as not to upset your spouse, to leave the ballot blank is just window dressing to the weakness you exhibit albeit it is used by yourself to rationalize your decision. That's why I said it sucks being you. I'm for my constitutional rights, capitalism, borders, legal immigration, no lock down/masks, etc.. That is what I voted for. The issues and who I felt could best provide them.
For the bulk of this thread you've done nothing but mock those that believe there was significant enough fraud to steal the election from trump. I'd go as far as to say you are actually hopeful he fails. Puts you in the category of every other sellout that hasn't done much to help this president succeed in another 4 years of making this country great. Bravo chicken little. When push comes to shove, one see's the fabric of the cloth they are cut from.
I know it's a different thread but what the hell. Since you also have pulled the same crap in the corona thread maybe you would like to share with me your weekly amount/type of exercise, the food you eat, the supplements you take, the habits you have regarding smoking/drinking, etc. so I can understand how truly concerned you are about your health and doing what you can to not become a victim of the scary corona virus that you feel is exploding based on the MSM you follow. Feel free to let me see your course of action on this topic.
spat
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I believe there probably was enough fraud to alter the outcome of the election. I never claimed to have "proof".
I claimed that the American people are entitled to an election result that they can have confidence wasn't altered fraudulently.
You apparently don't think so.
Ok, to play that out:
Currently Biden is in position to win. Do you accept those results?
GOYABEAN
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National Democratic Party official suggests re-education for Trump supporters: 'How do you deprogram 75 million people?' | Blaze Media
Some murky territory here
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spat
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I don't believe this election can be legitimately decided at this point.
I accept that it's likely Biden will end up POTUS. I do not believe that it's possible at this point to demonstrate that he will have achieved that office legitimately.
Ok, let me rephrase:
The votes were tallied, Biden won at present. Do you accept that outcome?
spat
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What outcome ?
That the currently reported vote totals put Biden in the lead ? Sure.
Regardless of whether Trump ultimately prevails, it seems very unlikely that the vote totals reported today will be the final numbers.
The outcome that Biden won.
spat
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He hasn't.
The electoral college doesn't vote till next month, and Trump hasn't conceded the election.
Or do you dispute those facts ?
Blimey
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I think most, as evidenced even in this thread, lack the honesty to ever accept he lost legitimately. It is simply too hard for them to pivot mentally and so they blame fraud. Psychologically very common behavior and we all do it to some extent. Look how angry people get when forced to even consider, just a little, that perhaps they are wrong.
Hell,I think you’re one of the few here who can even put dialogue to your thoughts. The rest can’t do anything but post absurd links and juvenile but irrelevant remarks about my wife.
I wrote this on October 10 and it has proven :