And how would they prove it?Everybody here could prove it.
They just don’t care to bother.
A couple hour drive is all it would take for most.
And how would they prove it?Everybody here could prove it.
They just don’t care to bother.
A couple hour drive is all it would take for most.
Who is it you're trying to convince the election wasn't riddled with fraud ?Once again, the opinion of the people has no bearing whatsoever on the truth.
Large numbers of people think the earth is flat. I will spend zero effort in convincing them it's not. They must demonstrate it is.
By standing in your driveway and saying "no ferrari here" ?And how would they prove it?

I'm not trying to convince anyone.Who is it you're trying to convince the election wasn't riddled with fraud ?
They are the ones setting the standard of proof.
It's invisible.By standing in your driveway and saying "no ferrari here" ?
Prove it.It's invisible.
In your view, it's not up to me. You have to prove I don't have one.Prove it.
There is no absolute concept of "proof".I'm not trying to convince anyone.
Yet again. I have no need to. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
Who mentioned absolute proof? We haven't even established or discussed a standard of proof.There is no absolute concept of "proof".
There is only "enough proof to convince the people I'm trying to convince".
Proof in a civil trial like this one is just "more likely than not"
Proof in a criminal trial is "beyond a reasonable doubt".
Proof in science tends to be "confidence interval beyond 6 standard deviations.
No, I don't.In your view, it's not up to me. You have to prove I don't have one.
Well, you claim it's not possible to prove a negative. That statement is only true in an absolute sense.Who mentioned absolute proof? We haven't even established or discussed a standard of proof.
According to your very stance, you do. You asked others to prove there was no fraud. A negative. An impossibility.No, I don't.
All the people participating in this discussion will accept my assertion that you do *not* have an invisible gold plated ferrari in your driveway on it's face.
I can also offer proof right now that you don't.
It's not possible for one to exist with present technology.
We would all be satisfied with that standard of proof for election fraud as well.
"It is not possible with current technology to commit election fraud on a scale sufficient to alter the outcome of the election"
That is a standard of proof that is not only quite possible to achieve, but that we should insist on.
You are claiming that election fraud has not altered the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.I'm not trying to convince anyone.
Yet again. I have no need to. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
And where exactly did I make this claim?You are claiming that election fraud has not altered the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.
You have offered no proof whatsoever.
So you admit that fraud *may* have altered the outcome ?And where exactly did I make this claim?
I "admit" nothing.So you admit that fraud *may* have altered the outcome ?
Never said that. I said it is pretty sad you are afraid to disagree with your wife and took the easy way out, regardless of your interpretation of my comments.What is really shocking is that it appears you think harmony in a marriage is less important than voting for trump.![]()
I believe there probably was enough fraud to alter the outcome of the election. I never claimed to have "proof".I "admit" nothing.
I have made no claim on the issue. You have. Provide evidence.
(The clearest sign of no actual evidence existing btw is this semantic game. Happens all the time with the religious discussions. "Well prove God DOESN'T EXIST! Lolz.)
Ok, to play that out:I believe there probably was enough fraud to alter the outcome of the election. I never claimed to have "proof".
I claimed that the American people are entitled to an election result that they can have confidence wasn't altered fraudulently.
You apparently don't think so.
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I don't believe this election can be legitimately decided at this point.Ok, to play that out:
Currently Biden is in position to win. Do you accept those results?
Ok, let me rephrase:I don't believe this election can be legitimately decided at this point.
I accept that it's likely Biden will end up POTUS. I do not believe that it's possible at this point to demonstrate that he will have achieved that office legitimately.
What outcome ?Ok, let me rephrase:
The votes were tallied, Biden won at present. Do you accept that outcome?
The outcome that Biden won.What outcome ?
That the currently reported vote totals put Biden in the lead ? Sure.
Regardless of whether Trump ultimately prevails, it seems very unlikely that the vote totals reported today will be the final numbers.
He hasn't.The outcome that Biden won.
I think most, as evidenced even in this thread, lack the honesty to ever accept he lost legitimately. It is simply too hard for them to pivot mentally and so they blame fraud. Psychologically very common behavior and we all do it to some extent. Look how angry people get when forced to even consider, just a little, that perhaps they are wrong.I'm not talking about proving it in court.
I am talking about convincing the 46% of the people that believe there was extensive fraud that there wasn't.
This is also why the vast bulk of trump supporters will learn absolutely nothing on November 3rd, as clinton supporters learned nothing last time. His faithful will be unable to step back and critically appraise what happened. They will flail around, blaming it on the MSM, blaming it on election fraud, etc. etc. all shit Trump has tried to poison the well with. None of them will appreciate the very obvious fact that he's just a very weak candidate, that he is a habitual liar (the fact even four years later some in this thread still doubt that is outrageous), is unprepared, and caters first to the lowest common denominator.
I am aware.He hasn't.
The electoral college doesn't vote till next month, and Trump hasn't conceded the election.
Or do you dispute those facts ?
Ok, I will grant that if nothing changes in the next 3 weeks Biden will win.I am aware.
Hence I said he is currently in position to win.
Ok.Ok, I will grant that if nothing changes in the next 3 weeks Biden will win.