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4WHLDRFTN said:
Gee, wonder why they wanted this in there........ scummy mother fucker's



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If that is for real, this 5k page bill writing bullshit has to be made illegal. Like straight up, if you can't get the details written out clearly and in laymans terms in 50 pages or less, it cannot even be considered. No bill should be more than 50 pages. And what's more, congress should not be able to sneek unrelated things into a given bill. It should be required that all bills have a definite topic, stay within the scope of that topic and be very specific. So much of this bullshit has to stop.
 
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tirwin1 said:
From what I've read the estimate is that 1/3 of the colonists supported the revolution, 1/3 wanted to remain loyal to britain and the final 1/3 did not care.

And if "doctor" Jill biden wrote about the revolution she would have said another 1/3 were women and minorities.
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And of the 1/3rd that supported it, probably not too many that were ready to actually kill a government official before April 1775.
 
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ArmedCorgi said:
If that is for real, this 5k page bill writing bullshit has to be made illegal. Like straight up, if you can't get the details written out clearly and in laymans terms in 50 pages or less, it cannot even be considered. No bill should be more than 50 pages. And what's more, congress should not be able to sneek unrelated things into a given bill. It should be required that all bills have a definite topic, stay within the scope of that topic and be very specific. So much of this bullshit has to stop.
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Simple solution.

All bills must be read aloud in their entirety by a member of the legislature on the floor before a vote can be taken.

Write a 5000 page bill and it'll filibuster itself.....
 
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spat said:
Simple solution.

All bills must be read aloud in their entirety by a member of the legislature on the floor before a vote can be taken.

Write a 5000 page bill and it'll filibuster itself.....
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You've got to pass it first before you find out whats in it... remember that one? Making more sense now...
 
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Calculon said:
Time for Trump to get this party started. That bloated bill and attempt to prevent him from using the insurrection act are yet another sign of the corruption of DC.
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Spidey senses calling BS on the insurection part (yeah I saw the meme) has anybody actually seen this in the bill? Call me jaded...
 
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ArmedCorgi said:
If that is for real, this 5k page bill writing bullshit has to be made illegal. Like straight up, if you can't get the details written out clearly and in laymans terms in 50 pages or less, it cannot even be considered. No bill should be more than 50 pages. And what's more, congress should not be able to sneek unrelated things into a given bill. It should be required that all bills have a definite topic, stay within the scope of that topic and be very specific. So much of this bullshit has to stop.
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nope nope nope .. you get 1/2 of a normal sheet of paper and it has to be double spaced too so you only got like room for 5 lines of text on the page for a bill / Law ...

look at how NY gun laws are and are less then 50 pages and full of BS .. leave out the BS .. ;)
 
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spat said:
Simple solution.

All bills must be read aloud in their entirety by a member of the legislature on the floor before a vote can be taken.

Write a 5000 page bill and it'll filibuster itself.....
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Why allow the opportunity for someone who wrote a 5k page bill to even read it? Why give them the time. Plus just because they would have to read it out loud, doesn't mean anyone would have to listen.
 
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Why allow the opportunity for someone who wrote a 5k page bill to even read it? Why give them the time. Plus just because they would have to read it out loud, doesn't mean anyone would have to listen.
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If it had to be read on the floor (stopping votes on anything else) and by an actual representative (not some intern) They would never make a 5000 page bill.

Can you picture Pelosi spending 12 hours a day for a couple weeks reading a bill to congress and c-span ?

It's a specific penalty that would effect the legislators personally, and would prevent them from rushing anything like this through, *and* would shut down the whole legislature if they tried.

There would be plenty of people interested in dissecting these bills, getting someone to listen isn't the problem. It's making sure they have time to do it and voice their objections before the vote that's important.

This is essentially a speed bump.
 
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spat said:
If it had to be read on the floor (stopping votes on anything else) and by an actual representative (not some intern) They would never make a 5000 page bill.

Can you picture Pelosi spending 12 hours a day for a couple weeks reading a bill to congress and c-span ?

It's a specific penalty that would effect the legislators personally, and would prevent them from rushing anything like this through, *and* would shut down the whole legislature if they tried.

There would be plenty of people interested in dissecting these bills, getting someone to listen isn't the problem. It's making sure they have time to do it and voice their objections before the vote that's important.

This is essentially a speed bump.
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I hear you but these slimebags always find some way around deterents. They are mostly lawyers and will always find a loophole or technicallity. I say why give them the chance to write a bill, hide things in it and then find a way to pass it? Make things real simple. Strict page number limits on the bill, no hiden or unrelated add ons and it must be clear and legible to even below average people.
Our founders weren't resrictive enough on our government. But then again, that was back when legislatures weren't constantly in session and they had more in common with everyday people than now. Now it's an exclusive club you get elected to.
 
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ArmedCorgi said:
Why allow the opportunity for someone who wrote a 5k page bill to even read it? Why give them the time. Plus just because they would have to read it out loud, doesn't mean anyone would have to listen.
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The sad truth is that no one in congress reads or has written any bill for the past 25-30 years. All bills are written by lobbyist groups and are waiting on the shelf to be pasted into these mammoth monstrosities. Think about it. Even with a dozen people working 24/7, how long would it take to create a 5,000+ page document? Certainly not a couple of days. People like mcconnell and pelosi negotiate a few high level figures or provisions and then each side desperately tries to slip in as many other items as possible. That's how the system has worked for decades.

Because this is all done behind the scenes the worst parts typically don't see the light of day until after the bill is passed, just as pelosi said about obamacare. She mentioned this as a feature of the system, not a bug.

My comment about shooting politicians was tongue in cheek. But seriously the only way to stop this nonsense is for the 535 idiots in congress to feel some very real pain for pushing this fraud on the american people. With gerrymandering and a compliant left wing press the only people that get elected are those willing to be part of this corrupt system. Very few true outsiders ever make it to Washington and the longer they stay the more they become part of the problem. Indeed the establishment makes it very easy for the average rep to become quite wealthy the longer they stay.

The system is broken and as a result violence will impact far more people than the current 535 in congress when it ultimately fails. It would be much more efficient if we could create an incentive for the 535 to at least not do the wrong thing if we can't get them to do the right thing.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
Oathkeepers statement to president Trump

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Open Letter to President Trump: You Must Use Insurrection Act to "Stop the Steal" and Defeat the Coup

"The time is now near at hand which must probably determine whether Americans are to be freemen or slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their houses and
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I hope this motivates Trump.
 
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