GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
Federal Ammunition Unveils New Deep-Penetrating .380 Hollow Point Ammo
At SHOT Show next week, Federal Ammunition will display its new expanding .380 auto ammunition.
Federal Ammunition Unveils New Deep-Penetrating .380 Hollow Point Ammo
- Thread starter GOYABEAN
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kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Deep penetrating? That's what she said!
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Could be a game changer for the .380 market. Most folks I know would want a smaller CCW but don't want to go below a 9mm because of stopping power/penetration. This may cause some to make the switch.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
Possibly but personally I wouldn't want to be shot by any calibre
Ball ammo hollow point steel core or whatever hit an artery you're done
C3D
.308 Win
It pains me to admit it publicly but I know .380 is a very poor self defense round, and yet I CCW a .380 often (Glock 42).
I will definitely check out the new ammo, I am currently using Hornady Critical Defense.
I will definitely check out the new ammo, I am currently using Hornady Critical Defense.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Alabama Holster front pocket kydex holster for my Glock 43 fits my Glock 42 quite well, too.
The 43 is a bit heavier, of course. The 42 is a fun shooter and just so dang "pocketable."
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Most days I carry a Kel Tec P3AT because I can be more discrete more easily. I prefer less than ideal over unarmed.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
If this turns out to be decent stuff this might finally push me over the finish line to picking up a P238 of my own.
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
There's a part of me that's always wanted a Walther PPK (just because it's the James Bond gun) but I've held off because:
1) I know it'll probably be a safe queen; and
2) I didn't want to buy another caliber of ammunition
Now at least the ammunition will be "practical" so to speak (at least for self-defense applications). Still probably have a safe queen though.
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I thought the dimensions on the Glock 43 were strikingly similar to the G42. I have the G43 and can conceal it well. Don't have the G42 so I can't compare.
BTW...I see nothing wrong with using the G42 or the .380. Better to have something than nothing and just because you have a 9mm doesn't mean all will be good if the proverbial crap hits the fan.
Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
Alright Zimmerman. dont go shooting your eye out.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
He had the bigger, manlier PF9.
C3D
.308 Win
Glock 42 is a small bit slimmer which makes a difference when you pocket carry.
There are even smaller options for CCW in 380 but I prefer to stick with Glock as that’s more-or-less all I shoot in any caliber. It means I don’t need to ever think about the handgrip I use, the manual of arms, jam clearance, field strip, etc.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Looks good.. wife carries a Sig P238, and we also have a Shield EZ .380, and actually I have a second P238 on the way, to go in my carry rotation.. Unlike some, I see no issue carrying a reliable, accurate, .380 for SD.. This looks like a good SD round.. Gotta see who has it for sale..bob
7.62x51FMJ
9mm
Check out Underwood Xtreme Penetrator 380 ACP +P 90 gr. ammo. 1200 FPS rating on the box. Had to buy a Glock 42 just to shoot this stuff. Bodyguard 380 almost ripped out of my hand when I shot one mag of that ammo in the Bodyguard. Been shooting that ammo for a few years now.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
95 gr FMJ has had no trouble reaching human organs since it’s inception. The extra tissue destroyed from a bullet thats .621 in diameter compared to .355 in diameter isn’t going to make you deader.
agreed.. I used FMJ in my carry guns, and some guys with permits that had carried since the 60's-70's talked me out of it, saying they had too much penetration, and might go through whatever I was shooting at and into something [or someone] that I was not aiming for.. I figure they knew more than I did, and went with SD hollow point stuff, except in my .32acp, and 22lr mouse guns that I carry at times, because in those small calibers, penetration is all you have..
So you feel FMJ is ok in carry guns chambered in calibers say from 9mm on up?... bob
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I do. FMJ is all I carry. Tissue damage doesn’t immediately stop someone. If someone is shot with a bullet that’s .355 in diameter and another is shot in the same spot with a bullet that’s .589 in diameter and neither hit a vital organ, both would just bleed out. Perhaps one a little more than the other but not by much. A person bleeding out can still fight. It takes a long time to bleed out. That’s why most people survive getting shot with a pistol. Even with hollow points when medical attention is rendered. This proves that all the internet talk of energy, expansion, one stop shots due to energy dump with pistols is all hogwash. It is a major factor with high speed rifle rounds but not with pistols.
The only sure thing with pistols is to hit vital organs and shut down the system. A FMJ to a vital organ trumps an expanded bullet to the stomach.
I do not carry pistol hollow points because they sometimes fail to penetrate enough to reach vitals. Even with 9mm, .40, and .45. They do in most cases but in others they do not. Especially when going through a barrier and through an arm to hit the chest and have to travel all the way to a vital organ.
A FMJ that penetrates 25 inches in gel compared to a hollow point that only does 13 for example, has a much better chance. I also do not buy the argument of over penetration. Complete misses are over penetrators. And 9 times out of 10, most people miss.
The only benefit of a hollow point is that they are bigger. A slight miss or a graze of a FMJ will be a hit with a bigger hollow point. That is the only benefit.