Federal Unveils Pistol Ammo Build To FBI Standards !
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I thought tge HST line was tailored to tge FBI spec? I'll keep buying it regardless, SG Ammo has it in bulk for very reasonable prices.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
"Federal Premium recently unveiled its newest type of Hydra-Shok pistol ammunition that's designed for deep penetration."
what they hunting ??? .. there going to have to carry empty now so they can pick what ammo to use when encountering a threat ..
a small dog bad guy or a big ass elephant bad guy .. we can't have pass thru you know ..
what they hunting ??? .. there going to have to carry empty now so they can pick what ammo to use when encountering a threat ..
a small dog bad guy or a big ass elephant bad guy .. we can't have pass thru you know ..
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
They need more penetration. Who would have thought?
@Podmonkey , the old Winchester Silvertip that failed them before in the 1986 Miami shootout and quote unquote "wasn't enough penetration!" started this shitstorm penetrated 10 to 11 inches in gel. Most new ammo gets about 12 to 13 and change average and we are told now that it's enough. 1 or 2 inches more in gel doesn't make all the difference in my opinion given that it isn't a 1 to 1 ratio in a body. I don't believe that nonsense. Especially in today's barrier rich environments which slow the round down after going through such barriers.
They flip flop all the time. Their 10mm was the "Holy Grail" and gave them the 16 to 18 inches in penetration with hollow points. It was too much recoil so then they went with the .40 that gave them 12 to 13 average. Now they realize that the 9mm also gives them the 12 to 13 average so they switched back. Now 12 to 13 isn't enough so they field a round that gives them 15.
I don't buy their nonsense. They knew all along that 12 to 13 isn't enough in all scenarios that aren't front on shots with no barriers. 20 plus inches or better for me.
@Podmonkey , the old Winchester Silvertip that failed them before in the 1986 Miami shootout and quote unquote "wasn't enough penetration!" started this shitstorm penetrated 10 to 11 inches in gel. Most new ammo gets about 12 to 13 and change average and we are told now that it's enough. 1 or 2 inches more in gel doesn't make all the difference in my opinion given that it isn't a 1 to 1 ratio in a body. I don't believe that nonsense. Especially in today's barrier rich environments which slow the round down after going through such barriers.
They flip flop all the time. Their 10mm was the "Holy Grail" and gave them the 16 to 18 inches in penetration with hollow points. It was too much recoil so then they went with the .40 that gave them 12 to 13 average. Now they realize that the 9mm also gives them the 12 to 13 average so they switched back. Now 12 to 13 isn't enough so they field a round that gives them 15.
I don't buy their nonsense. They knew all along that 12 to 13 isn't enough in all scenarios that aren't front on shots with no barriers. 20 plus inches or better for me.
The HSTs'll do up to 20" in gel won't it? I seem to recall that 16"-18" and a little beyond is par for the HST course in all the tests I've seen. It's combination of expansion coupled with penetration, and the consistency of its performance is why I buy em.
Very strange round. They went up with the weight while chasing penetration. I would like so the ballistics testing on different barrel lengths. From initial look I didn't see anything special here.
But the lead core is all pointy! That means its AP!!
Good point I need some!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Huh? I don't know where you got that information from. Every test I've seen puts them at about 12 to 13 in both 124 and 147 with the exception going to the 124 standard pressure that does 16 from a 3 inch barrel because it doesn't expand as much as the 124+p and both 147 and 147+p.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Winchester Ammunition will supply the Federal Bureau of Investigation with .40 S&W ammo, a contract that is worth $16 million according to the FBI. Under the contract, Winchester will provide a variety of ammo to include full metal jacket (FMJ), bonded jacketed hollow point (JHP) service cartridges, and frangible training rounds to federal law enforcement. Though the feds announced in mid-2016 that agents would be making the jump to 9mm the FBI says the need for .40 S&W still exists.
Winchester Wins $16 million FBI Ammo Contract For .40 S&W
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bearin...s-winchester-ammo-duty-training-purposes/amp/
Winchester Wins $16 million FBI Ammo Contract For .40 S&W
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bearin...s-winchester-ammo-duty-training-purposes/amp/
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I read on arfcom that those .40 rounds are for those agents that haven't transitioned to 9mm. New agents get the 9mm. There are still a lot of .40 pistols in circulation.
