FFLs shutdown in New York

kev74 · Mar 24, 2020

Gonzobird said:
Who on this site here is an FFL as well?

I just got a letter need a phone call from the ATF saying that since Gun Shops are non-essentail businesses in New York State that are shut down. So in the ATF's view that means that FFLs in NYS can't do business and therefor are shutdown.

A buddy of mine downstate who is an FFL got the same notice and as he is police he stated that ATF sent that notice to police departments along with a 211 page document listing all the FFLs in NYS.

So what other FFLs on this site can confirm that they got the same notice?

Things are gonna get sporty now.

BDinPutnam · Mar 24, 2020

WTF?

Can we see it (in redacted form)?

BDinPutnam · Mar 24, 2020

Where does that say the ATF is telling you you cant do business?

:idk:

dsdmmat · Mar 24, 2020

Requests by businesses to be designated an essential function as described above, should only be made if they are NOT covered by the guidance.
Restrictions on requesting designation as an essential business:

Any business that only has a single occupant/employee (i.e. gas station) has been deemed exempt and need not submit a request to be designated as an essential business.

BDinPutnam · Mar 24, 2020

So in summary... your post is inadvertant fear mongering?

squib · Mar 24, 2020

dsdmmat said:
Requests by businesses to be designated an essential function as described above, should only be made if they are NOT covered by the guidance.
Restrictions on requesting designation as an essential business:

Any business that only has a single occupant/employee (i.e. gas station) has been deemed exempt and need not submit a request to be designated as an essential business.

Yes my local is still doing buisness^

ArmedCorgi · Mar 24, 2020

Gonzobird said:
@dsdmmat So by that if a shop has two people it gets closed. If a shop has one then stays open. Interesting loophole.

I think the out of home "table top" ffl's are fine to do business if they are comfortable with bringing people into their home shop amidst all this virus stuff.

Cooolone · Mar 24, 2020

Gonzobird said:
An FFL is obligated to follow the "LAWS" of the state tehy are in. The executive order is telling non-essentail businesses to shut down. Gun Shops are not on the list.

There, fixed it for ya'...

Let alone Firearms are a Constitutional Right! Have they suspended the Constitution, State or otherwise? What other rights have been suspended? If it is anything, it is one of, if not, the "MOST" essential.

Carry on!

S&W Fan · Mar 24, 2020

My FFL guy is home based .

Bustedknees · Mar 24, 2020

Non-essential or not. Sole owner / proprietor is good to go..
I'll be curious to check on the store Runnings this week. Tools and farm equipment keeps them legally exempt from closure but will there gun counter be open ?

ArmedCorgi · Mar 24, 2020

Bustedknees said:
Non-essential or not. Sole owner / proprietor is good to go..
I'll be curious to check on the store Runnings this week. Tools and farm equipment keeps them legally exempt from closure but will there gun counter be open ?

Why not? It's not as though grocery stores shut down the toilet paper isle.

kev74 · Mar 24, 2020

From executive order 202.8...

An entity providing essential services or functions whether to an essential business or a non-essential business shall not be subjected to the in-person work restriction, but may operate at the level necessary to provide such service or function.

Ever sell to or provide a service to a cop, fireman, security guard, or employee of another business? Good to go as far as I can tell. And it doesn't say you have to service them exclusively.

RoyP · Mar 24, 2020

reads to me the atf is just giving a heads up to the gun shops to make sure they lock everything up during the shutdown. knowing that being closed makes them a target for thieves that don't think anyone is around and thus an easy target

ArmedCorgi · Mar 24, 2020

RoyP said:
reads to me the atf is just giving a heads up to the gun shops to make sure they lock everything up during the shutdown. knowing that being closed makes them a target for thieves that don't think anyone is around and thus an easy target

+1

redtail · Mar 24, 2020

As the KING wills it

tc556guy · Mar 24, 2020

dsdmmat said:
Requests by businesses to be designated an essential function as described above, should only be made if they are NOT covered by the guidance.
Restrictions on requesting designation as an essential business:

Any business that only has a single occupant/employee (i.e. gas station) has been deemed exempt and need not submit a request to be designated as an essential business.

I'm a sole proprietor FFL and this is what I am basing my continued operations on.
Traditional brick and mortar gun stores may need to close, but I don't see how they can tell home based FFLs that they can't operate, based on the language quoted.
I'm sure that Cuomo will correct that in his next "guidance"

For now, the main concern for me is the suspension of issuance of purchase coupons, the long wait periods for background checks, and some internet gun sales sites such as Classic Firearms putting right on their main page that all transfers in NYS are suspended and that dealers can't even accept firearms. This is not correct, based on the language above

Twogunwilly · Mar 25, 2020

Cooolone said:
What other rights have been suspended?

The right to assemble.

Cooolone · Mar 25, 2020

Twogunwilly said:
The right to assemble.

I was being facetious... Lol

Bustedknees · Mar 25, 2020

Just came back from Runnings in Rome. They're open and selling guns.. lots of f#%king guns !!
I've been through all the gun threats and political attacks back through the California shootings during Bill Clinton's first term. Through the days of Obama and our own NY SAFE ACT here at home. But Corona has out-sold more guns than all them put together.

Krieg74 · Mar 27, 2020

Im a small gun store owner, yes we are shut down , no choice of mine, my suppliers will not ship anything to NY.

tc556guy · Mar 27, 2020

Krieg74 said:
Im a small gun store owner, yes we are shut down , no choice of mine, my suppliers will not ship anything to NY.

Just out of curiosity, which vendors are you using? All of my suppliers are still shipping to me.

Robin · Mar 27, 2020

One size fits all, so says Tsar Andrea! Think when this shit clears up h'll cede any of his new dictatorial power(?), nah!
Robin

Krieg74 · Mar 27, 2020

tc556guy said:
Just out of curiosity, which vendors are you using? All of my suppliers are still shipping to me.

Zander, davidson, lipsey

tc556guy · Mar 27, 2020

Krieg74 said:
Zander, davidson, lipsey

I don't have accounts with Davidsons or Lipsey's, as they flat-out don't consider me to be a "real" FFL worthy of doing business with them
But I've had an account with Zanders for years and have placed multiple orders with them in the last two weeks.
In fact, I got a call from my sales rep today asking me if I wanted some stuff that's been on back-order.
Of course I did.
And while I was at it I put an backorder in for another couple thousand in inventory.
I'll see it arrive at some point

Krieg74 · Mar 27, 2020

Willing to share some suppliers?

Krieg74 · Mar 27, 2020

tc556guy said:
I don't have accounts with Davidsons or Lipsey's, as they flat-out don't consider me to be a "real" FFL worthy of doing business with them
But I've had an account with Zanders for years and have placed multiple orders with them in the last two weeks.
In fact, I got a call from my sales rep today asking me if I wanted some stuff that's been on back-order.
Of course I did.
And while I was at it I put an backorder in for another couple thousand in inventory.
I'll see it arrive at some point

Looks like they removed thier messages, on sites. Zander also has new mesage stating that they are essential.

Hope stock starts showing up

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