Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Helpful why?
For the weirdos who prefer DAO over striker fired
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
He lost credibility with me for the reasons that I just posted that you kind of seemed to ignore or not read.
ECU Pirates
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This is what I carried today. Nothing unnecessary. Well the lock is and I hate it.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It kind of is unnecessary considering that's you have better platforms in your own arsenal.
Would you put a 12 pound trigger on your semi auto and load it with only 6 rounds?
Probably not so why carry and outdated, unnecessary platform?
ECU Pirates
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Rigidity helps support weight of a gun. This is not a gimmick to me. It’s much more comfortable to carry with a gun belt than without (even with light guns for me). There are many gimmicks but this is not one in my experience. I’m sure super thick belts are less comfortable though.
Thanks NRA and Clintins
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Without a belt you have nothing pushing it toward your body. Bad analogy.
ECU Pirates
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Today was not a day I could carry anything else really. It was on the ankle. Not my first choice but better than nothing.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You don't have anything smaller that can fit in an ankle? I ankle carry a 26 sometimes.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I wear bootcut jeans.
ECU Pirates
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The weight would drive me crazy. I use the galco ankle glove. Maybe it’s holster related but that’s all I can stand on an ankle. A 26 would be strange to me.
G26 vs sw 442
ECU Pirates
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Also out them on a scale (360 scandium vs 26).
Yea I wasnt sure what model Smith that was so I just found something with the 442 and it looked close in size being a j frame
ECU Pirates
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Lighter the better with w j frame for me. Not all that fun to shoot though.
Thanks for your comment.
I mind the trigger and I cover the hammer with my thumb because that is what I choose to do. It's the safest way to holster a hammer fired gun in a decocked state. If by chance I was to holster it after I fired it and did not decock it, it would be in condition 0, which on a CZ P-01 is unsafe. You can do what you like. I will do what I feel comfortable doing.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So what it less safe to holster a cocked gun if you kind the trigger?
CZ's with a decocker have no safety. When in condition 0 (not half cocked) you can mind the trigger all you like and still get it caught on something when holstering. That is why I thumb the hammer. Here's an interesting aticle on my methodology. https://gunsmagazine.com/gear/safe-holstering-2/
Didnt see this until now. And yes I got tricked into 3 cats. The girlfriend came with one (which was actually a super chill cat, acted more like a dog) we then decided to get ONE more kitten 2 years ago (turned out to he another super awesome cat, we taught her to play fetch) and then about a month after that one another kitten needed rescuing and our neighbor couldnt take it and well I got tricked into saying ok. But hes my cat and also super cool when he wants.
We also have a puppy who mostly lives at my parents house (anxiety and that's where he is comfortable so he will stay with us for a few nights from time to time, and by puppy I mean hes 8 or 9)
And we also have 2 geckos that we have been fostering for a friend
Shoots100
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Before you claim someones mind is made up, you should do some research.
While he prefers revolvers in competition , Mr Ayoob carried, competed with and has been training military, LE and civilians worldwide with high capacity semi autos since they were issued, in every grip style known to man.
Whats "tried and true" to you, won't work for everyone.
Maybe Mr Ayoob found that out over his 40+ years of training thousand's of students ?
Go figure, He also promotes the use of high capacity semi autos for carry and Home defense too.
He also loves 1911's and will almost always be carrying one, in one of it's many variations everyday.
You can learn alot from a holdover, if your mind isn't already made up.
I won't even add the wise input of another dinosaur holdover named Clint Smith, as he probably doesn't know what he's talking about either.
SJC
He has a hell of a lot more experience with self-defense shooting, legally and tactically speaking, than many other instructors (certainly more experience than any internet know-it-all's).
I'd encourage you to read some actual self defense criminal and civil cases. Prosecutors are known to target whatever they see as long-hanging fruit, including any modifications and adjusted trigger weight. Doesn't mean that if you use a modified firearm in a self-defense scenario that you'll automatically be deemed culpable, but that factor will be weighed, along with many others, in the decision-making and judicial process. Same argument for ammunition. There is the infamous Harold Fish case; while he didn't go to jail for simply because he used 10mm in that situation, the choice of ammo was heavily scrutinized by the prosecutor.
Since when is riding the hammer a bad thing?
ECU Pirates
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Since never. It’s there might as well ride it. Same thing I say to the wife.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
When one uses it and doesn't mind the trigger.
That case was over 20 years ago and had since been overturned by an appellate court. It was during a time when hollow point bullets were looked as cop killer bullets. Some police departments still used FMJ. He wasn't convicted because of the caliber or bullets he had. He we convincted because they unjustly ruled that it wasn't self defense. Had he used a j frame .38, the original case would have gone the same way.
Well the idea behind riding the hammer is that you are in fact minding the trigger as you carefully reholster...it's a good practice. But certainly even if you use it in a sloppy fashion, you still have a bit more warning of a potential ND than if you're reholstering a striker-fired pistol in the same sloppy fashion.
It was actually about 15 years ago. And yes, I'm well aware that Mr. Fish was eventually cleared of any wrongdoing, though he still did serve some time in jail. And I understand his initial conviction wasn't solely predicated on the type of ammo he used, though that topic was brought up during the prosecution's argument. My point is that prosecutors will in fact scrutinize everything relating to a self-defense scenario (including ammo, firearm modifications and even the type of firearm itself). You can sit here and argue until you're blue in the face that you, personally, would never go to jail for using a pistol with a modified trigger in a self-defense shooting....but you honestly have no freaking clue how that would play out in real life.
That is why Massad Ayoob, and many other respected self-defense instructors, advise that you should not modify your carry firearm (or at least keep your modifications to a minimum). It's not outdated or invalidated advice...it's still very relevant to the present day, where many people, including jurors, are all too willing to let their decision-making be influenced by emotional and, at times, illogical arguments.
Paul Harrell, who was himself involved and prosecuted for a self-defense related shooting (he was cleared of any wrongdoing), has very similar advice on this topic:
Wait how does Ayoob both tell people not to modify their trigger but also say that every glock should have a NY1 or NY2 trigger in it
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It's all nonsense. A prosecutor can scrutinize whatever they want. At the end of it all, they would have to prove that whatever modification you did was illegal. And they would have to prove that the shooting wasn't justified. Your one example compared to thousands upon thousands of shootings wasn't even a conviction based on a modification. It was just throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks. At the end of it all, it's be based on if the shooting was justified or not based on the circumstances. That could go the right way or the wrong way even if you really were justified.
The fact of the matter is that no one was ever convicted of changing a part on a gun. Whether it be a trigger or a barrel or the ammunition used. No one.
The fact of the matter is that no one was ever convicted of changing a part on a gun. Whether it be a trigger or a barrel or the ammunition used. No one.
Doesn't the NY1 or NY2 trigger mod require more pull force over the stock trigger?
If so, I think that's the answer to your question: it's a hell of a lot easier to justify adding more pull force to the trigger versus lightening it up, at least in the eyes of the jury.
Call it whatever you want. You're judging all of this from a comfy armchair. The fact is, people who shot others in self-defense have been prosecuted before and every little detail, to include the modification of the firearm and ammo used, was scrutinized.
If you ever find yourself having to explain your actions in a courtroom (and I sincerely hope that you never encounter that scenario) then you may start to think differently on how judges, jurors and prosecutors view and analyze your actions/choices.
Uzi
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Add me to your "weirdo" list, because I carry a double action only striker fired handgun and I don't like manual safeties along with 1/2 lb trigger pulls when carrying appendix when I'm doing physical activity 7 days a week. 
Add me to your "weirdo" list, because I carry a double action only striker fired handgun and I don't like manual safeties along with 1/2 lb trigger pulls when carrying appendix when I'm doing physical activity 7 days a week.
Well stop doing physical activity