Gun Control Supporter Steals Concealed Carrier’s Gun, Shoots Him

[dsdmmat]

Right I could teleport too but the point is you cannot stop me unless you stand backwards in line and continually tell me to keep an arm's distance.

That's my point. It's rare but it happens. An off duty cop working security and open carrying got robbed of his gun not too recently.

I am not too worried about it. Thanks for your concern.

 

[Greywolf224]

Then I could disarm you no matter how aware you may think you are. While I'm waiting in line behind you playing with my phone and looking at the menu like any casual guy would be doing, a blackjack to the back of your head and it's mine.

@Willjr75 i need to get something off my chest. I have been reading many of your posts for the last month or so since the forum started. And you are full of a lot of great vital information, statistics and experience. But I do notice that it is extremely difficult for you to except someone else's point of view on any given matter.

I'm not trying to instigate an argument with you at all so please don't look at it that way.
But you do need to understand other folks do have their opinions and they do state them because through their own experiences they have found that that is what works for them.

What I'm saying is I think we all need to be respectful of each other's responses no matter how wrong or far-fetched we think they are.

Again I hope there's no Hurt feelings.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I am not too worried about it. Thanks for your concern.

Your welcome.

But all sarcasm aside for all others who think training makes a difference in stopping someone from taking your gun, it does not. No amount of training can stop you from being overwhelmed by numbers in an enclosed area

 

[dsdmmat]

Your welcome.

But all sarcasm aside for all others who think training makes a difference in stopping someone from taking your gun, it does not. No amount of training can stop you from being overwhelmed by numbers in an enclosed area

No amount of praying will stop a plane from falling out of the sky either, people still do it while the plane is going down.

Dangerous freedoms is preferred to safe slavery.

 

[Deplorable Me]

The moral of the story is to carry a back up gun.

 

[Marine Cpl]

@Willjr75 i need to get something off my chest. I have been reading many of your posts for the last month or so since the forum started. And you are full of a lot of great vital information, statistics and experience. But I do notice that it is extremely difficult for you to except someone else's point of view on any given matter.

I'm not trying to instigate an argument with you at all so please don't look at it that way.
But you do need to understand other folks do have their opinions and they do state them because through their own experiences they have found that that is what works for them.

What I'm saying is I think we all need to be respectful of each other's responses no matter how wrong or far-fetched we think they are.

Again I hope there's no Hurt feelings.

I would agree with what you are saying if those with opinions backed them up with facts. I'm not trying to be a know it all but nobody can tell me that a .380 with bad ammo is a good choice or that they cannot be disarmed while open carrying.

I defend those points because they are true. I have conceded other points after being wrong and have even asked expert's advice on things I know nothing about.

I disagree. What I see is people doing things one way wrongly and when given facts, they get upset.

You cannot tell me that carrying a round that performs good from a 4 inch barrel yet fails to expand from a 3 inch barrel is a good idea.

 

[GOPerfect]

Right I could teleport too but the point is you cannot stop me unless you stand backwards in line and continually tell me to keep an arm's distance.

That's my point. It's rare but it happens. An off duty cop working security and open carrying got robbed of his gun not too recently.

Whether for it or against it, should be our choice!

I would think no less of someone because they don't like OC.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Whether for it or against it, should be our choice!

I would think no less of someone because they don't like OC.

As I've said before, I'm not questioning the legality as written in my first post.

I'm questioning whether it's wise to do so in all situations from a tactical standpoint.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

This is why I'm against open carry in public. Not because of a rights issue but because of a tactical issue.

i use a retention holster.....no one is going to take it from me....tactically or otherwise.....

 

[Marine Cpl]

i use a retention holster.....no one is going to take it from me....tactically or otherwise.....

Even if they knock you out?

 

[dsdmmat]

Ever see the "gun expert" the media drags out of the back woods that says, "nobody needs an assault weapon."?

He has all kinds of facts ( that are true) to back up his side and is convincing as well. The only problem is he and his facts are also wrong because they don't consider everything ( much less the constitution) that he does not know or believe.

All one can hope is, you are never the gun expert ( useful idiot) the media decides to quote to make their agenda seem like it has some credibility.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Ever see the "gun expert" the media drags out of the back woods that says, "nobody needs an assault weapon."?

He has all kinds of facts ( that are true) to back up his side and is convincing as well. The only problem is he and his facts are also wrong because they don't consider everything ( much less the constitution) that he does not know or believe.

All one can hope is, you are never the gun expert ( useful idiot) the media decides to quote to make their agenda seem like it has some credibility.

Do you want to continue to ignore the fact that I said nothing about legality?

Here I'll make it clear for those who are having a hard time.

I believe in the 2A. I think the right to open carry whether a good idea tactically or not a good idea tactically is our right protected by the Constitution.

I also believe just because something is your right and protected by the Constitution that it doesn't mean because it is protected, it wise to do so in all situations.

I wouldn't say the N word in a crowded place frequented by black people and I wouldn't open carry in the same crowded place either. If open carry of long guns was legal in this state, I wouldn't open carry my AK at a wedding while dressed in a suit. There is a time and place for everything and you should be wise enough know when it isn't a good idea.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

Even if they knock you out?

Bwah ha ha ha!

So, zandali, i'll play along.

1. So i am ccw and some guy knocks me out, goes through my belt/pockets and takes my ccw. He gets the gun.

2. So i am OC, some guy knocks me out, unlatches my retention holster, and takes my OC. He gets the gun.

So any other asinine scenarios that are just about as unlikely? Lay it on us.

 

[dsdmmat]

Do you want to continue to ignore the fact that I said nothing about legality?

Here I'll make it clear for those who are having a hard time.

I believe in the 2A. I think the right to open carry whether a good idea tactically or not a good idea tactically is our right protected by the Constitution.

I also believe just because something is your right and protected the Constitution that doesn't mean because it is protected, it wise to do so.

I wouldn't say the N word in a crowded place frequented by black people and I wouldn't open carry in the same crowded place either. If open carry of long guns was legal in this state, I wouldn't open carry my AK at a wedding while dressed in a suit. There is a time and place for everything and you should be wise enough know when it isn't a good idea.

You ever hear the song "you're so vain" to paraphrase , you probably thought that post was about you. While it may fit it was talking in generalities for a reason. Everyone has to watch their language while denouncing things lest we become the "gun expert."

 

[Marine Cpl]

Bwah ha ha ha!

So, zandali, i'll play along.

1. So i am ccw and some guy knocks me out, goes through my belt/pockets and takes my ccw. He gets the gun.

2. So i am OC, some guy knocks me out, unlatches my retention holster, and takes my OC. He gets the gun.

So any other asinine scenarios that are just about as unlikely? Lay it on us.

Correct. Except the likelihood of getting robbed just for your gun is higher if open rather than concealed.

If a group of terrorists on the plane want to take it over, would the air marshal have a better chance of survival carrying concealed or open?

Look guys. I realize you like it. I get it. But you can't be dishonest and say it is safer or makes no difference tactically whether open or concealed. It is an irrefutable fact that a criminal cannot target you to take something from you if he doesn't know you have it.

Your jokes are funny but transparent.

 

[dsdmmat]

Correct. Except the likelihood of getting robbed just for your gun is higher if open rather than concealed.

If a group of terrorists on the plane want to take it over, would the air marshal have a better chance of survival carrying concealed or open?

Look guys. I realize you like it. I get it. But you can't be dishonest and say it is safer or makes no difference tactically whether open or concealed.

Your jokes are funny but transparent.

You are definately a Marine.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You are definately a Marine.

I thank you for the compliment.

 

[dsdmmat]

I thank you for the compliment.

It was meant as one. Being a Marine Corps brat, I would have known you were a Marine even, if you had not told anyone.

 

[Marine Cpl]

It was meant as one. Being a Marine Corps brat, I would have known you were a Marine even, if you had not told anyone.

Get out! So why the Army?

 

[dsdmmat]

Get out! So why the Army?

I wanted to work on helicopters, the Marines could not guarantee me that job even with my old man pulling strings. I was more interested in making my own path than following in his footsteps. My father was the 63 rankingest MSGT in the corps at the time of his retirement. There is nowhere I could have gone in the Corps without my name being recognized.

 

[4excal]

@Willjr75 i need to get something off my chest. I have been reading many of your posts for the last month or so since the forum started. And you are full of a lot of great vital information, statistics and experience. But I do notice that it is extremely difficult for you to except someone else's point of view on any given matter.

I'm not trying to instigate an argument with you at all so please don't look at it that way.
But you do need to understand other folks do have their opinions and they do state them because through their own experiences they have found that that is what works for them.

What I'm saying is I think we all need to be respectful of each other's responses no matter how wrong or far-fetched we think they are.

Again I hope there's no Hurt feelings.

I sure as hell haven't been foolish enough to get into the logistics of this "conversation/argument" with the few that are deeply playing it tonight. I CC and have for 20 years and it should be the citizens choice. I'm not a fan of OC and never was, for multiple reasons. BUT, I only wanted to chime in with this reply post of @Greywolf224 because it deserves to be bumped and thought upon deeply and not just for willjr but because it was so well written and respectfully tasteful. Beautiful grey, simply beautiful

 

[4excal]

Get out! So why the Army?

I wanted to work on helicopters, the Marines could not guarantee me that job even with my old man pulling strings. I was more interested in making my own path than following in his footsteps. My father was the 63 rankingest MSGT in the corps at the time of his retirement. There is nowhere I could have gone in the Corps without my name being recognized.

And just like that..Xoxoxoxooxo

Awwww..NYGF..I Loooove Neeeeeew Yyyyork!

 

[GOPerfect]

All I can say, I OC quite often. I have never had anyone attack me and try to take my gun. I have done it in busy places as well as not busy. It has never happen to me.

I would be curious to find real, hard facts on how often this happens.

Many States have OC and I almost never hear of these types of incidents.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

Correct. Except the likelihood of getting robbed just for your gun is higher if open rather than concealed.

If a group of terrorists on the plane want to take it over, would the air marshal have a better chance of survival carrying concealed or open?

Look guys. I realize you like it. I get it. But you can't be dishonest and say it is safer or makes no difference tactically whether open or concealed. It is an irrefutable fact that a criminal cannot target you to take something from you if doesn't know you have it.

Your jokes are funny but transparent.

Ha ha ha. But you keep telling us that you can pick out a ccw with your ninja skills, while talking on the phone causally reading the menu.......

So this assine far fetched scenario it would not matter, cause the ninja bad guy has got mad skills, perfect SA and KNOWS you got a gun anyway even though you are CCW. So he breaks out his highly concealed black jack, whacks you, and take your CCW , cause of his xray ninja eyes.

Come on. You just like to argue....just cause.....clearly. So You make up stupid scenarios.

 

[dsdmmat]

And just like that..Xoxoxoxooxo

Awwww..NYGF..I Loooove Neeeeeew Yyyyork!

Yep a little love for a brother in arms even if I disagreed with everything he ever said.

 

[4excal]

Yep a little love for a brother in arms even if I disagree with everything he ever said.

Good stuff

 

[Marine Cpl]

Ha ha ha. But you keep telling us that you can pick out a ccw with your ninja skills, while talking on the phone causally reading the menu.......

So this assine far fetched scenario it would not matter, cause the ninja bad guy has got mad skills, perfect SA and KNOWS you got a gun anyway even though you are CCW. So he breaks out his highly concealed black jack, whacks you, and take your CCW , cause of his xray ninja eyes.

Come on. You just like to argue....just cause.....clearly. So You make up stupid scenarios.

When did I say that?

And being disarmed is a stupid scenario? Ask the guy in the OP's article or the off duty cop open carrying working security if it was a stupid scenario.

You aren't being honest with yourself.

 

[Marine Cpl]

All I can say, I OC quite often. I have never had anyone attack me and try to take my gun. I have done it in busy places as well as not busy. It has never happen to me.

I would be curious to find real, hard facts on how often this happens.

Many States have OC and I almost never hear of these types of incidents.

I'm guessing you do so in uniform more times than out of uniform and I'm also guessing you've never open carried on a packed train, rock concert, ect out of uniform.

Most states that do allow open carry, aren't riddled with crime but that doesn't mean because it does not happen often, it does not happen and shouldn't be worried about.

Carrying and using it doesn't happen often yet we carry anyways just case.

 

[dsdmmat]

I'm guessing you do so in uniform more times than out of uniform and I'm also guessing you've never open carried on a packed train, rock concert, ect out of uniform.

Most states that do allow open carry, aren't riddled with crime but that doesn't mean because it does not happen often, it does not happen and shouldn't be worried about.

Carrying and using it doesn't happen often yet we carry anyways just case.

Until most recently, all open carry states were mainly rural or small population states and your primary threat was the wildlife.

If it were legal in the PRNY I would open carry. I live in a very rural area an would t have any concerns about carrying in the area.

 

[GOPerfect]

I'm guessing you do so in uniform more times than out of uniform and I'm also guessing you've never open carried on a packed train, rock concert, ect out of uniform.

Most states that do allow open carry, aren't riddled with crime but that doesn't mean because it does not happen often, it does not happen and shouldn't be worried about.

Carrying and using it doesn't happen often yet we carry anyways just case.

Even before I got the job that I am in, I would push the envelope and carry open here in NY State. Sometimes I did it just to see what the reaction would be. I have carried in some pretty busy, people filled areas. I do not go to concerts and have never ridden on a train here in the States. I get your point. I do.

I just really hate all of these laws telling me what I can and cannot do. If I want to live dangerously, so be it. My choice!!!!

I really would love to see the stats on how many people have been robbed because the were OC'ing.