Help! A NYS County is trying to suspend / revoke CCW permit over photo w/ religious headgear

[VietnamEraVet]

This thread certainly went far afield from my original post.

In those immortal words (slightly paraphrased) from Dragnet…, “yesterday a hearing was held in the matter…, and in a moment, the results of that hearing…”

An informative post will be forthcoming as soon as documents can be sufficiently redacted.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Ah yes. 50,000 miles of interstates, out of 3,900,000 miles of roads.

3,000,000 of which are locally maintained rural roads.

You kind of made my point for me.

Remind me again how many workers the federal DOT employs for road maintainence ?

Or is *all* their construction and maintainence outsourced to local contractors and departments ?

All the actual federal DOT workers are bureaucrats or road pirates harassing truckers over petty bullshit.

None of them have ever laid actual pavement in modern memory.

And how many of the interstates are paid toll roll roads managed by a state?
The ny thruway, pa turnpike, WV turnpike etc.

A measurable % of interstate roads are directly funded by those who use them

 

[Zerex]

New York State Department of Transportation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I blame the lack of news coverage, for the lack of understanding about alll NYS roadways and the funding for them.

We're just one of the lower 48 states who get the Fed money for those "other" 3 million highways...towns and cities do not do much of the work themselves financially or physically, as money flows down and contracts are let to perform many of those manitenance duties

It is not 1850



By the way you understanding of Gov't obviously does not reach the realization about the Feds.

1500 Departments, Bureaus, Services, Agencies, Offices, Administrations, Institutes, etc

List of federal agencies in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

5 million fed employees
25 million government employees total, inc states, etc

1 million law enforcement of all stripes,..Fed, State, Local and 1 million lawyers
That is who you are war with....

We need all of those Federal services for the States and local governments to operate, but without the "Woke" bullshit artists ruining the entire system under Biden.

By the way, the vast Fed Government, thru the Commerce Department, paid 90% of the Woods Hole Foundation's search for the Titanic, with other funds sent to them by the US Navy for research...We paid to find the Titanic with taxpayer funds, not private industry....who could afford to do it unless we paid for most of it.
The Commerce Dept gives away more grants than most....

Grants and contract opportunities

Learn more about grants and contracting opportunities at the Department of Commerce and its bureaus.

www.commerce.gov

The the Dept of Education, energy, DOJ, EPA and on and on, too............

We are also giving out billions each year for grants and studies for such things as the your misunderstood "hated "Highway systems improvements..........for Fed, State and Local highways.
Improving bridge deck durability continues to be an issue....salt destroys everything but you cannot have a plastic bridge surface.

You do not live in Libertarian isolation, where you think you have no help from the Government.

 

[Acer-m14]

Found one ... Amish .. Pistol Permit ..

 

[Acer-m14]

By the way, the vast Fed Government, thru the Commerce Department, paid 90% of

The the Dept of Education, energy, DOJ, EPA and on and on, too............

We are also giving out billions each year for grants and studies for such things as the your misunderstood "hated "Highway systems improvements..........for Fed, State and Local highways.

NO!!!!!

We the Taxpayers DID ..

the FED Gov should start having bake sales to raise $$$$ then you can say the FEDs did this and that ..

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

 

[Zerex]

You have been protected from banned items...the law for 75 years or more.

Prohibited and Restricted Items

Securing America's Borders

www.cbp.gov

Less and less, is seemingly understood by citizens since 1980 or so...............just because you do not know about bringing it into CONUS, does not make it legal.

BP/Customs,ICE have their hands full with Americans, let alone the legal and illegal international travelers. The bins at International airports are always overflowing with these items.

Airport--or "aerodrome" a place where aircraft land.
Border-- the dividing line between countries.

There, educated.

 

[spat]

New York State Department of Transportation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I blame the lack of news coverage, for the lack of understanding about alll NYS roadways and the funding for them.

We're just one of the lower 48 states who get the Fed money for those "other" 3 million highways...towns and cities do not do much of the work themselves financially or physically, as money flows down and contracts are let to perform many of those manitenance duties

It is not 1850



By the way you understanding of Gov't obviously does not reach the realization about the Feds.

1500 Departments, Bureaus, Services, Agencies, Offices, Administrations, Institutes, etc

List of federal agencies in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

5 million fed employees
25 million government employees total, inc states, etc

1 million law enforcement of all stripes,..Fed, State, Local and 1 million lawyers
That is who you are war with....

We need all of those Federal services for the States and local governments to operate, but without the "Woke" bullshit artists ruining the entire system under Biden.

By the way, the vast Fed Government, thru the Commerce Department, paid 90% of the Woods Hole Foundation's search for the Titanic, with other funds sent to them by the US Navy for research...We paid to find the Titanic with taxpayer funds, not private industry....who could afford to do it unless we paid for most of it.
The Commerce Dept gives away more grants than most....

Grants and contract opportunities

Learn more about grants and contracting opportunities at the Department of Commerce and its bureaus.

www.commerce.gov

The the Dept of Education, energy, DOJ, EPA and on and on, too............

We are also giving out billions each year for grants and studies for such things as the your misunderstood "hated "Highway systems improvements..........for Fed, State and Local highways.
Improving bridge deck durability continues to be an issue....salt destroys everything but you cannot have a plastic bridge surface.

You do not live in Libertarian isolation, where you think you have no help from the Government.

Nobody doubts that the feds give billions to the States for all sorts of things every year.

In fact, we are *pissed* about it.

Every dollar the feds "give" to a state for something, they *took from a state first*.

This is like being grateful to the mugger for giving you your license back after he took your wallet.

 

[Bruce_Sloane]

I hope he is required to undergo a mental exam by the courts, and at the least, his photo was contempt of court, and he should lose his permit .

That's a fukkedup attitude there What business is it of Yours ??
Maybe..
You should wear pants anymore
OK by your logic, or lack thereof.

 

[stokes]

That's a fukkedup attitude there What business is it of Yours ??

Everything is his business in libtardville.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

 

[Zerex]

You can go on about how breaking the law is just fine, like BLM do, but I can assure you that keyboard commandos NEVER break those laws..............

How many of you have worn a spaghetti collander on you head, for the pistol permit photo, or DMV Drivers license, or Fed issued Passport, or job ID card if you have one...

NONE

Keyboard commandos wear no colanders or headgear, in required by law, ID photos.................just argue about them..............WTF do that?
Nothing to do?

Argue about the ATF, or 80%.

The Courts have already decided this religious headgear issue ....................if it ever happened at all.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

You can go on about how breaking the law is just fine, like BLM do, but I can assure you that keyboard commandos NEVER break those laws..............

How many of you have worn a spaghetti collander on you head, for the pistol permit photo, or DMV Drivers license, or Fed issued Passport, or job ID card if you have one...

NONE

Keyboard commandos wear no colanders or headgear, in required by law, ID photos.................just argue about them..............WTF do that?
Nothing to do?

Argue about the ATF, or 80%.

The Courts have already decided this religious headgear issue ....................if it ever happened at all.

Coming very soon… It’s going to be fun blowing up your bullshit. Stay tuned.

 

[Zerex]

Facts confuse many, as they just go against their unfounded angry opinions.
Laws exist until they are declared unconstitutional.....or changed.

Just the facts mam, as Joe Friday used to say.


Collander heads, especially in ID photos, just do not exist, but you may wear one as a helmet-hat if you want to.
I do not think they wear them in NC, but you are from NYS.

GET THE RIGHT SIZE.

I would not wear one.

Read or research a bit on a topic, and educate yourself.
Opposing opinions, is one thing................... but opposing facts, is just pissing up a rope.

 

[Acer-m14]

Local Marine keeps hat on for DMV picture

Alex Morales of Bakersfield is a proud Marine. So much so that when he went to get his new driver's license earlier this month, he stuck to his guns about

www.bakersfield.com

 

[Zerex]

2016 article.............deep sea fishing , eh?

Sorry, Enhanced ID's do not allow hats at all.

Can You Wear a Hat for Your Driver's License Picture? | AutomobTips

Your driver’s license is an important form of identification every driver holds. As with every ID document, the driver’s license contains your photograph for easy identification. To take a photo of your driver’s license, you have to follow some guidelines. Therefore, can you wear a hat for your...

automobtips.com

all 50 states--no hats anymore if at all in the past.

I suspect that even in 2016, they decided not to cause a fight at the DMV offices, and aftterwards, simply cancelled his license, for improper ID photo. You get the notice in the mail weeks later.

He was likely considered insane, and or mentally disturbed, and the cops might have come, or possibly did....fighting against photo ID is futile today.

They could not change the rules for one man--THAT is the key, when it comes to Governments.

Plenty of DMV employees have been fired nationwide for taking bribes and issuing bogus licenses, ESPECIALLY CALIFORNIA

DMV workers' bribery scheme hits a bump: federal corruption charges

Corruption at DMV offices in Torrance and Lincoln Park has been laid bare in new federal bribery cases.

www.latimes.com

Happens.

Like I suggested, wear a hat/collander to your next official, ID photo.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

2016 article.............deep sea fishing , eh?

Sorry, Enhanced ID's do not allow hats at all.

Can You Wear a Hat for Your Driver's License Picture? | AutomobTips

Your driver’s license is an important form of identification every driver holds. As with every ID document, the driver’s license contains your photograph for easy identification. To take a photo of your driver’s license, you have to follow some guidelines. Therefore, can you wear a hat for your...

automobtips.com

all 50 states--no hats anymore if at all in the past.

I suspect that even in 2016, they decided not to cause a fight at the DMV offices, and aftterwards, simply cancelled his license, for improper ID photo. You get the notice in the mail weeks later.

He was likely considered insane, and or mentally disturbed, and the cops might have come, or possibly did....fighting against photo ID is futile today.

They could not change the rules for one man--THAT is the key, when it comes to Governments.

Plenty of DMV employees have been fired nationwide for taking bribes and issuing bogus licenses, ESPECIALLY CALIFORNIA

DMV workers' bribery scheme hits a bump: federal corruption charges

Corruption at DMV offices in Torrance and Lincoln Park has been laid bare in new federal bribery cases.

www.latimes.com

Happens.

Like I suggested, wear a hat/collander to your next official, ID photo.

Hey Zerex, or should I just refer to you as Zero? I mean it, how ignorant are you? Seriously.

1. Example from www.dhs/gov/real-id
2. Enhanced / REAL ID SC Drivers License, Veteran. By the way, SC uses the same DL picture on our CCW permits. Only 25% bigger!

Now, please take your bullshit somewhere else.

 

[stokes]

Hey Zerex, or should I just refer to you as Zero? I mean it, how ignorant are you? Seriously.

Why do you guys even respond to this libtard troll?

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Why do you guys even respond to this libtard troll?

Going on ignore list now. I just felt like blowing him up and showing how completely full of shit he is.

 

[repete]

2016 article.............deep sea fishing , eh?

Sorry, Enhanced ID's do not allow hats at all.

Can You Wear a Hat for Your Driver's License Picture? | AutomobTips

Your driver’s license is an important form of identification every driver holds. As with every ID document, the driver’s license contains your photograph for easy identification. To take a photo of your driver’s license, you have to follow some guidelines. Therefore, can you wear a hat for your...

automobtips.com

all 50 states--no hats anymore if at all in the past.

I suspect that even in 2016, they decided not to cause a fight at the DMV offices, and aftterwards, simply cancelled his license, for improper ID photo. You get the notice in the mail weeks later.

He was likely considered insane, and or mentally disturbed, and the cops might have come, or possibly did....fighting against photo ID is futile today.

They could not change the rules for one man--THAT is the key, when it comes to Governments.

Plenty of DMV employees have been fired nationwide for taking bribes and issuing bogus licenses, ESPECIALLY CALIFORNIA

DMV workers' bribery scheme hits a bump: federal corruption charges

Corruption at DMV offices in Torrance and Lincoln Park has been laid bare in new federal bribery cases.

www.latimes.com

Happens.

Like I suggested, wear a hat/collander to your next official, ID photo.

2021 article, I see you're digging too!

 

[repete]

Why do you guys even respond to this libtard troll?

Because I feel sorry for the mentally disturbed.

 

[spat]

Facts confuse many, as they just go against their unfounded angry opinions.
Laws exist until they are declared unconstitutional.....or changed.

Just the facts mam, as Joe Friday used to say.


Collander heads, especially in ID photos, just do not exist, but you may wear one as a helmet-hat if you want to.
I do not think they wear them in NC, but you are from NYS.

GET THE RIGHT SIZE.

I would not wear one.

Read or research a bit on a topic, and educate yourself.
Opposing opinions, is one thing................... but opposing facts, is just pissing up a rope.

Unconstitutional laws are *born* Unconstitutional.

SCOTUS has ruled on this as well.

So, if one of the laws you like gets ruled Unconstitutional on 5 or 10 or 20 years, then it is Unconstitutional *today*.

Also, there is an objective reality. 2+2=4, and it doesn't matter if every person on the planet disagrees, the objective reality is that it does.

Rights and the constitution are the same. It means exactly what it stays, no more, no less. It doesn't matter who says otherwise.

Abortion laws are a good example. The "interpretation" of what the constitution says about them has changed back and forth over the years. But, the plain fact is that the constitution says the same thing about them that it said in 1960 or 1980, or today. Just because SCOTUS waffles on the meaning doesn't mean the words actuallu printed in the constitution changed meaning.

 

[Acer-m14]

Marbury v. Madison :: 5 U.S. 137 (1803)​

Marbury v. Madison: Congress does not have the power to pass laws that override the Constitution, such as by expanding the scope of the Supreme Court's ...

 

[Zerex]

Who decides what is Constitutional..SCOTUS......not you.

Photoshop bs................no hats is the law.or collanders................why try to deceive us?

Marbury simply showed for the first time, that SCOTUS did have power...and Bruen proves it. Hochul defies..but it will play out...............

That unconstitutional laws are passed, does not mean you can break them...jails are full of guys who were caught and continue to be caught with high capacity mags and EBR's. How many of you registered? I did.

Why do you obey the pistol permit law? Or the Semi laws? or the speed limit?

The reason I post, is to show that facts matter on all subjects, not ill informed opinions that are wrong..........like collander head, who probably does not exist and is a joke on you.

Yeah, you hate the government due to guns, but most of the Fed system works for us..it is only the Biden Schumer and Hochul communists who screw us.

Be correct and not a............... well you know...

NYS gets slightly less back in Fed aid that we pay in taxes, and N Carolina gets more than they pay in Fed taxes...but it all balances out when you figure the Interstate System and State Highway aid and medicaid funds, etc.


Being pissed at facts that you do not know about, is like being mad at your own dick.
Be informed.

At one time I was assigned to work in a large Personnel Office...3000 patients and 2000 employees. As an Asst Administrator, I hired and fired people all the time..Dr's Psychologists, socila workers,, blue collar tradesmen, Nurses, etc etc....

I found out quickly, like Lawyers do, that when confronted most people are liars and embellish and deceive whenever possible. Hiring interviews with the facts was always "productive".

Firing people for stealing, cheating on time and OT, lying, assault crimes, expense acct crimes ,and worker Comp crimes......... was difficult, and I got many threats. I fucking enjoyed it all, but I finally went back to the Highway engineering job when the institution was closing.

I found that not backing people into corners, but explaining to them where they were wrong and went wrong, was very important and facts do matter...............not opinions when opinions are wrong.
I testified as an expert witness in Courts many times for the State and against the State.....facts and truth matter...the Bible says so over and over...

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Who decides what is Constitutional..SCOTUS......not you.

Photoshop bs................no hats is the law.or collanders................why try to deceive us?

Marbury simply showed for the first time, that SCOTUS did have power...and Bruen proves it. Hochul defies..but it will play out...............

That unconstitutional laws are passed, does not mean you can break them...jails are full of guys who were caught and continue to be caught with high capacity mags and EBR's. How many of you registered? I did.

Why do you obey the pistol permit law? Or the Semi laws? or the speed limit?

The reason I post, is to show that facts matter on all subjects, not ill informed opinions that are wrong..........like collander head, who probably does not exist and is a joke on you.

Yeah, you hate the government due to guns, but most of the Fed system works for us..it is only the Biden Schumer and Hochul communists who screw us.

Be correct and not a............... well you know...

NYS gets slightly less back in Fed aid that we pay in taxes, and N Carolina gets more than they pay in Fed taxes...but it all balances out when you figure the Interstate System and State Highway aid and medicaid funds, etc.


Being pissed at facts that you do not know about, is like being mad at your own dick.
Be informed.

At one time I was assigned to work in a large Personnel Office...3000 patients and 2000 employees. As an Asst Administrator, I hired and fired people all the time..Dr's Psychologists, socila workers,, blue collar tradesmen, Nurses, etc etc....

I found out quickly, like Lawyers do, that when confronted most people are liars and embellish and deceive whenever possible. Hiring interviews with the facts was always "productive".

Firing people for stealing, cheating on time and OT, lying, assault crimes, expense acct crimes ,and worker Comp crimes......... was difficult, and I got many threats. I fucking enjoyed it all, but I finally went back to the Highway engineering job when the institution was closing.

I found that not backing people into corners, but explaining to them where they were wrong and went wrong, was very important and facts do matter...............not opinions when opinions are wrong.
I testified as an expert witness in Courts many times for the State and against the State.....facts and truth matter...the Bible says so over and over...

Wow. More complete horseshit from Zerex the Zero.

You act as though you believe yourself to be an all seeing, all knowing, righteous crusader; someone who is superior to the thousands of people you have interacted with in your career. And that we should all bow before you and your absolute wisdom about all things.

I actually feel sorry for some of those you opposed, and for actions you took against them, because it is absolutely clear that you don't know about everything, and you likely fucked over some good people along the way as a result. Your ridiculous rants in this thread and elsewhere lead me to wonder if the men in the white coats from Bellevue have gotten lost on their way to your location.

No one here has deceived you relative to the wearing of religious headgear in a US state REAL ID Drivers License photo, - and yet you persist in your delusions. I am certain you wouldn't know a photoshopped ID if you stared at one for a week or a month. Something you proclaim to be all knowing about, and yet you know jack shit about.

Of course, you keep going on and on with your absurd accusations that it does not exist, or is fake. But you conveniently ignore my challenge to you in Post 17 of this thread. So, I'll restate it: Care to make a wager to equal your bravado? How about it, Zero? Let's meet at the NYS Police barracks in Syracuse, along with some NYS Gun Forum members as witnesses. How about @Bigfoot and @Darth and @prambo and @Cavalry for starters? We'll let the NYSP tell us if it is a fake, or photoshopped as you allege.

$5,000.00 enough for you? Time to put up, or shut up.

 

[Cavalry]

Of course, you keep going on and on with your absurd accusations that it does not exist, or is fake. But you conveniently ignore my challenge to you in Post 17 of this thread. So, I'll restate it: Care to make a wager to equal your bravado? How about it, Zero? Let's meet at the NYS Police barracks in Syracuse, along with some NYS Gun Forum members as witnesses. How about @Bigfoot and @prambo and @Cavalry for starters? We'll let the NYSP tell us if it is a fake, or photoshopped as you allege.

$5,000.00 enough for you? Time to put up, or shut up.

I'm game, but we all know he will not show up and will in fact would try to twist the story that we were they ones not there. I just want to know if mental illness is a factor or if its just a terrible attempt at trolling.

 

[Zerex]

It is as bogus as your arguments.

Photo ID laws are clear, nationwide, and one off "photoshops" is just that...you simply cannot stand up to facts in any argument or discussion. My ego is under control..I let facts rule the situations.

I never fucked over anyone who did not deserve it...it was my job.
The first commandment is THOU SHALL NOT STEAL...why? Kill is down the list a bit.
Lyiig is down too, as "fish stories" have been told for millenia.

Cops are caught all the time for filching drug money and drugs............oh well.

Stealing and greed, is the big one.

I know the NS BCI Barracks/office well, as that is where I started the Embezzlement investigation of a local trap club's total thief Prez and liar, who is now dead and deservedly humiliated for stealing half a mill.

I also know the DA Fitzpatrick well as part of the investigation. Honesty is the best policy and no employees can steal and get away with it for ever. I even know bosses who went down............at least a dozen of them for stealing.

Social clubs are the worst.....VFW's VFD's AL's, etc etc..full of sticky fingers...I have seen it thru the years.
Lawyers who lie and steal are always caught and disbarred..I have known a few.

Just the facts man, and the truth.

By the way the SP who monitor this forum in Marcy NY, likely think this is hilarious!!!

Take in your photo ID's!!!!!

 

[VietnamEraVet]

It is as bogus as your arguments.

Photo ID laws are clear, nationwide, and one off "photoshops" is just that...you simply cannot stand up to facts in any argument or discussion. My ego is under control..I let facts rule the situations.

I never fucked over anyone who did not deserve it...it was my job.
The first commandment is THOU SHALL NOT STEAL...why? Kill is down the list a bit.
Lyiig is down too, as "fish stories" have been told for millenia.

Cops are caught all the time for filching drug money and drugs............oh well.

Stealing and greed, is the big one.

I know the NS BCI Barracks/office well, as that is where I started the Embezzlement investigation of a local trap club's total thief Prez and liar, who is now dead and deservedly humiliated for stealing half a mill.

I also know the DA Fitzpatrick well as part of the investigation. Honesty is the best policy and no employees can steal and get away with it for ever. I even know bosses who went down............at least a dozen of them for stealing.

Social clubs are the worst.....VFW's VFD's AL's, etc etc..full of sticky fingers...I have seen it thru the years.
Lawyers who lie and steal are always caught and disbarred..I have known a few.

Just the facts man, and the truth.

By the way the SP who monitor this forum in Marcy NY, likely think this is hilarious!!!

Take in your photo ID's!!!!!

Blah, Blah, Blah. More shit from the Zero. But no accepting the wager I see.

Time for you to fuck off pal.

 

[Bruce_Sloane]

They are not necessary, Ask the Amish. Terrorists? So its acceptable to map, categorize and track the population because of .001% may be terrorists? Crossing borders? People literally walk across our southern border every day with no problem. The northern border is even more of a joke. Facial recognition? How well does that work with the now accepted mask?

Amish Terrorist ???
I live in an Amish community
No one is smart enough to be a terroristic threat.

 

[Bruce_Sloane]

I do not have the time nor the patients to address all of what's wrong with your post.

The best advice I can give you is "learn Mandarin, then GTFO".

Thank You, Pat.