Hillary Clinton and Andrew Cuomo Campaign for Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth

[Dr. Evil]

Hillary Clinton and Andrew Cuomo Campaign for Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth | LifeNews.com

Can we go back in time and abort Tweedledee and Tweedledum?

 

[TheMoneyPit]

My two favorite people, find a cliff and fall off please.

 

[@thewheels]

I propose a death match for those 2 assholes.
Winner gets to be president as long as they contract every STD and refuse treatment.


Let's see who wants it more.

 

[RayKnobs]

I am just going to assume that a website called "lifenews" isn't accurately reporting the content of this bill.

 

[Saltwater60]

I am just going to assume that a website called "lifenews" isn't accurately reporting the content of this bill.

Well this was brought up at other times and has been on Clinton’s to do list for sometime now. Not saying it’s accurate, but why don’t we just look it up instead of discounting it.

Here’s the bill. It states an abortion can be performed up to 24 weeks of pregnancy and at anytime if the mothers life or health is in danger. So I guess it depends on what health means legally. I think it could mean anything and you could abort a baby for just about any reason.

Other thing I know is the kid down the street was born at 24 weeks and is perfectly healthy. No one single issue.

NY State Senate Bill S2796

Here is WHO’s definition of health. By this you could abort a baby because it interferes with your social health or mental health. Frequently asked questions

 

[kev74]

Depending on who's getting aborted, maybe we could extend the upper limit to maybe 75 years old or so.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

I think they should be witness to one, and I dont mean by video, I mean standing next to the doctor scooping up the dead. See how they feel then.

 

[GOYABEAN]

Kinda late but someone should have aborted them from the get go

 

[Burzum]

Well at the extreme risk of being unpopular, again given the demographics of who gets abortions, and their eventual statistically likely party registration, and my belief in personal Liberty, I say let it rip, at 320+ million the US is not running out of people.

 

[MadScientist]

Well at the extreme risk of being unpopular, again given the demographics of who gets abortions, and their eventual statistically likely party registration, and my belief in personal Liberty, I say let it rip, at 320+ million the US is not running out of people.

Very risqué, but can’t say I completely disagree

 

[Acer-m14]

Kinda late but someone should have aborted them from the get go

they were scrapped off the sheets with a spoon

 

[NY Leatherneck]

Ok you two...Make a video of you two banging. Require all liberals to watch and there is effective birth control with everyone safe..

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

This is awful and barbaric. In the eyes of these extreme far left progressive statists, the unborn's only crime is not being able to vote. They don't care the slightest about life. All they care about is power and who can or can't vote.

 

[Saltwater60]

This is awful and barbaric. In the eyes of these extreme far left progressive statists, the unborn's only crime is not being able to vote. They don't care the slightest about life. All they care about is power and who can or can't vote.

Absolutely. Considering abortion kills about 900,000 and dr mistakes kill another 250,000. Dr’s kill 1.1 million people per year and not one peep from any politician about the 250,000 mistakes drs make. A slight peep about the abortions.

I’m against abortion, but donsee thenothers points about over population and democrats aborting democrats. There are much better ways of preventing pregnancy.

 

[Grimscale]

I’m against abortion,

Then don't have one.

There are much better ways of preventing pregnancy.

This is true. But not all abortions are done because they want to ride bareback without consequences.
Fetal abnormalities
Legit issues with the mother's health ("I don' wanna do this" isn't a health issue, it's a responsibility issue)
Incest
Rape

That being said, and to use a phrase out of the Democrat's playbook of "compromise", I always felt the following would be an acceptable compromise on abortion:
1) First trimester - anything goes. And yes, that means that a woman can risk her life, health, and paycheck to get an expensive medical procedure rather than just buying a box of condoms. Rape and Incest would usually fall within this category (there are always exceptions). Think about it... this is saying you have THREE MONTHS to decide if you want to keep it.

2) Second trimester - health, abnormalities, etc. only. This would require two doctors to sign off on the need. some birth defects do show up later in the gestational period, but these can be proven by *gasp* SCIENCE. If a woman spent three months vacillating as to whether or not to keep it, she's irresponsible.

3) Third trimester - There had better be a DAMNED good reason, like the mother is about to DIE on the fucking exam table right fucking now. once you're into the third trimester there is a good chance the fetus could survive being born early. The woman has already gone through SIX MONTHS of pregnancy. Just finish the damned job and adopt it out.

The problem is...all of these levels would require some personal responsibility by the mother (and father...can't forget the sperm donor). It seems like personal responsibility is one thing that is sadly lacking from society today.

Gun owners have had to "compromise" for decades. We haven't liked it, but there it is. We've also been more likely to be personally responsible.

 

[Dr. Evil]

A girl who used to work for me was told to abort her baby due to a genetic condition they felt the baby had. They told her the child would have birth defects with a very poor life expectancy due to what they saw in their ultrasounds and other tests. There was some physical tissue/fluid formation consistent with a genetic condition. She was devastated. She went for a second opinion and decided to wait and see. Her body reabsorbed the anomaly on the baby and she gave birth to a perfectly healthy normal boy. Just sayin'.

 

[@thewheels]

This is awful and barbaric. In the eyes of these extreme far left progressive statists, the unborn's only crime is not being able to vote. They don't care the slightest about life. All they care about is power and who can or can't vote.

Pass a law allowing pregnant women to vote twice (once for themselves and once for their unborn child) and you'd never hear a dem mention reproductive rights again and abortion would be banned in a week.

 

[Saltwater60]

A girl who used to work for me was told to abort her baby due to a genetic condition they felt the baby had. They told her the child would have birth defects with a very poor life expectancy due to what they saw in their ultrasounds and other tests. There was some physical tissue/fluid formation consistent with a genetic condition. She was devastated. She went for a second opinion and decided to wait and see. Her body reabsorbed the anomaly on the baby and she gave birth to a perfectly healthy normal boy. Just sayin'.

Happens all the time doc. They misdiagnose and tests are false positives all the time.

 

[Saltwater60]

Then don't have one.



This is true. But not all abortions are done because they want to ride bareback without consequences.
Fetal abnormalities
Legit issues with the mother's health ("I don' wanna do this" isn't a health issue, it's a responsibility issue)
Incest
Rape

That being said, and to use a phrase out of the Democrat's playbook of "compromise", I always felt the following would be an acceptable compromise on abortion:
1) First trimester - anything goes. And yes, that means that a woman can risk her life, health, and paycheck to get an expensive medical procedure rather than just buying a box of condoms. Rape and Incest would usually fall within this category (there are always exceptions). Think about it... this is saying you have THREE MONTHS to decide if you want to keep it.

2) Second trimester - health, abnormalities, etc. only. This would require two doctors to sign off on the need. some birth defects do show up later in the gestational period, but these can be proven by *gasp* SCIENCE. If a woman spent three months vacillating as to whether or not to keep it, she's irresponsible.

3) Third trimester - There had better be a DAMNED good reason, like the mother is about to DIE on the fucking exam table right fucking now. once you're into the third trimester there is a good chance the fetus could survive being born early. The woman has already gone through SIX MONTHS of pregnancy. Just finish the damned job and adopt it out.

The problem is...all of these levels would require some personal responsibility by the mother (and father...can't forget the sperm donor). It seems like personal responsibility is one thing that is sadly lacking from society today.

Gun owners have had to "compromise" for decades. We haven't liked it, but there it is. We've also been more likely to be personally responsible.

I understand rape and incest. I also understand if the mothers life is in danger. I’d have to say though those are a very small fraction of the abortions. Some stats say 1%. The cdc data backs this up. Most abortions are women in thier 20’s and early trimesters. Those would indicate to me that they abortions of connivence not necessity.

Abortion | Data and Statistics | Reproductive Health | CDC

 

[Burzum]

[QUOTE="Saltwater60, post: 485128, There are much better ways of preventing pregnancy.[/QUOTE]

Hey I am all for the public castration of liberal Democrats to make the Republic a better place, but I will settle for the victories where I can get them.

 

[Dr. Evil]

NY Gov. Cuomo Vows He Won't Sign the State Budget Until Abortion 'Rights' Are Expanded Through the 9th Month

 

[Saltwater60]

NY Gov. Cuomo Vows He Won't Sign the State Budget Until Abortion 'Rights' Are Expanded Through the 9th Month

Yet Trumps an asshole for not signing the budget over the wall. One saves lives the other ends it.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Who gets to decide what "abnormalities" should be aborted, @Grimscale?

The government?

 

[Grimscale]

Who gets to decide what "abnormalities" should be aborted, @Grimscale?

The government?

No, the prospective parents, with medical advice.
The decision to keep or abort is, and always should be, with the parents, and specifically the woman as she is the one who has to carry for nine months. Not the government, not the church, not the guy down the street, not the politicians three States away.

 

[BDinPutnam]

I agree with you very much but it would appear to be something that would have to be codified into law? Who would do that?

 

[Defilade]

Evil fuckers! Of all things to make a priority. Unreal!