Except you're not a criminal, in any sense. It's a new standard for newly sold space heaters, it doesn't impact anything you already own.
Hochul bans certain space heaters
- Thread starter Saltwater60
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Flower pot heaters are bullshit. It all comes down to basic physics. NY is a mix of zone 5 and zone 6 for HVAC. I'll lean towards benefiting the flower pot heater and assume zone 5. 1 square foot in zone 5 requires about 50 BTU of heat per square foot, assuming normal ceilings and not 12 foot vaulted ones or whatever as well as average insulation/air leakage. A lit candle puts out 75-85 BTU. I'll use 80 BTU as it's the median. Adding a flowerpot on top of it doesn't make the candle magically produce any more heat. For a 100 square foot room in zone 5 you need about 5000 BTU of heating. At 80 BTU per candle you'd need 62 lit candles to heat a 100 square foot room. Let's say you have a 1500 square foot house and want to heat that you're looking at 937 candles.
The candle flowerpot idea is wholly impracticle. Having backup heat is a great idea, but get yourself a ventless propane/natural gas heater or a kerosene heater you can use indoors, they put out meaningful heat to warm an area. Wood stoves are a good option as well. Skip the flowerpot nonsense.
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Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Good thing I just bought a 20,000 BTU heater then.
2WheelGnnr
6.5 Creedmoor
Knock Knock...BAMN!!
Department of Space Heater Safety...Here to inspect your space heaters!! and see whatcha GOT in there!!!!!
Department of Space Heater Safety...Here to inspect your space heaters!! and see whatcha GOT in there!!!!!
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
I highly suspect that Hochul's eyebrows are on drugs.
Just thought I'd mention it.
Just thought I'd mention it.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Lawmakers love this shit. It gives them something to pretend to work for. They can't just leave well enough alone. They think they have to continually pass "something" to validate their jobs.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
NY Home Energy Affordable Transition Act
NY to speed up ban on Gas Stoves, Gas Furnaces, Gas Boilers, Gas Generators, Gas Turbine Utilities, Gas Heaters, Gas Dryers, Gas Service
During a virtual press conference this week, the agitated assemblage presented a report bolstering the argument against any kind of gas-powered appliances, period.
A bill floated by the group would effectively allow the decommission of natural gas pipelines and plants and expedite the transition away from using natural gas for heating or cooking in all New York homes, according to Gothamist.
The proposed legislation passed the Senate 39-23
You’ve heard of New York’s ‘gas stove ban’ — new legislation wants to take things even further
A new, 600-page report furthers the argument against gas-powered appliances.
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ManualF150
.308 Win
Wouldn't this be considered government sabotage of utilities at this point?
I can certainly bet that a majority of us on here didn't agree to it, nor have I run into anyone in my walks that agreed to this.
The people need to do something about this.
I can certainly bet that a majority of us on here didn't agree to it, nor have I run into anyone in my walks that agreed to this.
The people need to do something about this.
Just another Geeeee see "I Did Something" even though it amounts to nothing!
Root cause of the deadly fire was the lack of what being provided by the building! Not sure why some legislation wasn't introduced to address that? Oh geeeee, there already are laws covering multiple dwelling units, etc.
So now anyone who wants a space heater will probably pay 30% more to have those stamps/labels on them! Good job!
Just another joke, from the legislature to the governor who are inept and useless!
Fuck NY!
Root cause of the deadly fire was the lack of what being provided by the building! Not sure why some legislation wasn't introduced to address that? Oh geeeee, there already are laws covering multiple dwelling units, etc.
So now anyone who wants a space heater will probably pay 30% more to have those stamps/labels on them! Good job!
Just another joke, from the legislature to the governor who are inept and useless!
Fuck NY!
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
Like the ammo back ground check, this amendment doesn't prevent anyone from purchasing the space heater of their choice from an out of state retail establishment. Like the ammo back ground check it puts the burden on those selling in NY state. Like the ammo back ground check it it will have no meaningful impact. Like the ammo back ground check it is politically driven "Feel good legislation" for the next election cycle.
Section 1. The general business law is amended by adding a new section
391-jj to read as follows:
§ 391-JJ. SALE OF ELECTRIC SPACE HEATERS. NO PERSON, FIRM, PARTNER-
SHIP, ASSOCIATION OR CORPORATION REGULARLY ENGAGED IN THE BUSINESS OF
ASSEMBLING, MANUFACTURING, DISTRIBUTING OR THE RETAIL SALE OF ELECTRIC
SPACE HEATERS SHALL ASSEMBLE, MANUFACTURE, DISTRIBUTE, SELL OR OFFER TO
SELL ANY ELECTRIC SPACE HEATER IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS IN THIS
STATE UNLESS SUCH ELECTRIC SPACE HEATER:
1. INCLUDES A THERMOSTAT;
2. INCLUDES AN AUTOMATIC SHUT-OFF; AND
3. HAS BEEN CERTIFIED BY A TESTING AND CERTIFICATION BODY RECOGNIZED
AND APPROVED BY THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF LABOR, OCCUPATIONAL
SAFETY AND HEALTH ADMINISTRATION.
§ 2. This act shall take effect on the one hundred twentieth day after
it shall have become a law.
Section 1. The general business law is amended by adding a new section
391-jj to read as follows:
§ 391-JJ. SALE OF ELECTRIC SPACE HEATERS. NO PERSON, FIRM, PARTNER-
SHIP, ASSOCIATION OR CORPORATION REGULARLY ENGAGED IN THE BUSINESS OF
ASSEMBLING, MANUFACTURING, DISTRIBUTING OR THE RETAIL SALE OF ELECTRIC
SPACE HEATERS SHALL ASSEMBLE, MANUFACTURE, DISTRIBUTE, SELL OR OFFER TO
SELL ANY ELECTRIC SPACE HEATER IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS IN THIS
STATE UNLESS SUCH ELECTRIC SPACE HEATER:
1. INCLUDES A THERMOSTAT;
2. INCLUDES AN AUTOMATIC SHUT-OFF; AND
3. HAS BEEN CERTIFIED BY A TESTING AND CERTIFICATION BODY RECOGNIZED
AND APPROVED BY THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF LABOR, OCCUPATIONAL
SAFETY AND HEALTH ADMINISTRATION.
§ 2. This act shall take effect on the one hundred twentieth day after
it shall have become a law.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
I have noticed that the cord on my space heater will get warm if I turn it on the high setting ... Not so if on low setting...
NY State Senate Bill 2021-S7863A
Requires electric space heaters to have thermostats, automatic shut-offs and be certified by a testing and certification body recognized and approved by the United States department of labor, occupational safety and health administration.www.nysenate.gov
This bill does absolutely nothing. I repair electronics on the side and I've seen where the bimetallic fuses get stuck thus causing a run away anyhow. Especially if the heater was kept in a garage or damp environment. They generally have a bimetallic and a one-time-shot thermal fuse, but it depends how it's designed. Along with whatever furnishing was in front of the heater. So cutoffs might not do anything at all.
Another primary cause of space heater fires is the use of light duty extension cords, surge strips or incorrect gauge wiring in the walls. They are NOT designed for the current. So it's not the space heater that caused the fire, it was in this case in proper equipment used to power the space heater.
I also treat space heaters as mini fires.... they are to be kept under constant watch at all times.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
This is my favorite part of all the important/emergency laws that get passed.
I also like the ones that set a new standard, or take effect years down the road, after the people that pass them will no longer be in office.
If something is so important, it should take effect IMMEDIATELY upon being signed. If it's not that important, it shouldn't be signed into law at all.
All laws should also sunset automatically after a short number of years.
ManualF150
.308 Win
By my high standards, I wouldn't accept that.
However, that is normal due to the wire being on the edge of compliance for the current. It's likely that the strands are copper clad aluminum.
technicalgadget
.223 Rem
They should just pass a law that prevents commoners from purchasing a space heater unless you have been trained on it’s safe usage and operation. We need common sense laws on heater licensing!!
Cavalry
.308 Win
So where are the approval letters for domestic heating devices signed by OSHA?
Cavalry
.308 Win
NY Home Energy Affordable Transition Act
NY to speed up ban on Gas Stoves, Gas Furnaces, Gas Boilers, Gas Generators, Gas Turbine Utilities, Gas Heaters, Gas Dryers, Gas Service
During a virtual press conference this week, the agitated assemblage presented a report bolstering the argument against any kind of gas-powered appliances, period.
A bill floated by the group would effectively allow the decommission of natural gas pipelines and plants and expedite the transition away from using natural gas for heating or cooking in all New York homes, according to Gothamist.
The proposed legislation passed the Senate 39-23
You’ve heard of New York’s ‘gas stove ban’ — new legislation wants to take things even further
A new, 600-page report furthers the argument against gas-powered appliances.
from the article
Maybe its just me? I have never walked into someones house and was able to tell how they heated their house, water or food by smell alone.
I have had a gas stove in almost every place I have lived and cook daily. Should't I have one foot in the casket from the poisonous fumes by now?
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
For good or bad I'm old school... I'm a polluting mo fo and I don't give a shit.
Within one minute next to me I would give the likes of Al Gore a fucking stroke.
I don't have only one smoking burn barrel, I usually have two of them going at once... Woo Hoo!
If your an American, act like an American. Do what you need to do.
The more options you have, the more freedom you have
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Within one minute next to me I would give the likes of Al Gore a fucking stroke.
I don't have only one smoking burn barrel, I usually have two of them going at once... Woo Hoo!
If your an American, act like an American. Do what you need to do.
The more options you have, the more freedom you have
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ManualF150
.308 Win
Most of us on here have guns of sorts. We play with those all the time.
So, yes, we should have two feet in the casket by now.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Take your pick .. fkoff Witch .. the below are not gas or electric
