Hochul seeks to change age of gun ownership to 21

[spat]

And? Most departments in NY already have moved up the hiring age to 21. They don’t care.
Stop thinking that the police have any say on these laws. Politically the police are not seen in a good light right now. They don’t care about police officers and the death of a police officer is just a chance for a press conference got them.

The police have the ultimate veto on all laws.

As we saw so many times in the summer of 2020, if they do not enforce a law, it might as well not exist.

If they can overlook arson when politics requests, they can overlook anything when necessary.

 

[Paxal]

Yes you can go to war and kill because your government says, but you can’t own a gun here.

Gov. Hochul wants to raise the age to purchase a firearm in NY to 21

13wham.com

I’m not agreeing or disagreeing. I know what a dope I was at 18. Brains don’t mature until about 24. The “go to war” argument doesn’t really hold up. Before going to war you are trained intensively on how to use your rifle and when to use your rifle. One reason young men have always been preferred at soldiers is because they are impressionable and emotionally risable. The kids who are safe with guns are the ones who have been trained for years by their parents. The buffalo kid is broken. HIndsight being 20/20, should the dealer not have been a little more curious about a kid coming in on his 18th birthday to buy 2 ARs? Slowed the kids roll somehow? I’m not advocating for any dopey new regulations, Im just thinking outloud. The kid is/was broken. Far too many people are broken in our country these days.

It’s not the guns, it’s the people!

 

[FP1201]

It's my contention that "adulthood" really begins at 21, of course there are those that mature well ahead, and many more that go long past that metric, but this is about mental maturation, something 18 year severely lack.

 

[Bigfoot]

I can remember when I was 18 years old. I think the age to own a gun should stay at 18.
Actually I think the age should be lowered. I started owning my own guns at 14 years old. (1977)
I still have the Mossberg 500 12ga that I bought in 1978.

But I wasn't a total dipshit in my teen years either. Mostly.

 

[Acer-m14]

i think this young lady is way smarter then some adults

 

[Truebeliever]

The police have the ultimate veto on all laws.

As we saw so many times in the summer of 2020, if they do not enforce a law, it might as well not exist.

If they can overlook arson when politics requests, they can overlook anything when necessary.

Actually police made arrests. The DA refused to prosecute. Then the those protesters sued those officers. Big difference. When was the last time a police officer was involved in the sale of a firearm from an FFL other than as a buyer themselves. The police generally don’t enforce those laws anyway.

 

[spat]

Actually police made arrests. The DA refused to prosecute. Then the those protesters sued those officers. Big difference. When was the last time a police officer was involved in the sale of a firearm from an FFL other than as a buyer themselves. The police generally don’t enforce those laws anyway.

If you arrested the rioters the riot is over, if the DA let's them all out the next day that's his problem.

No arrests is news to the FFLs.

Pretty sure the FFLs would care a lot less about the gun laws if they didn't have to worry about getting arrested, or their license pulled and then arrested when they continued to do business.

You may want to split hairs about who is a police officer vs a peace officer vs a federal agent. To the rest of us, if you have arrest powers you're a cop. If the people with arrest powers refused to make arrests then it doesn't matter how corrupt the rest of the government was, people would just tell then to pound sand

 

[Truebeliever]

If you arrested the rioters the riot is over, if the DA let's them all out the next day that's his problem.

No arrests is news to the FFLs.

Pretty sure the FFLs would care a lot less about the gun laws if they didn't have to worry about getting arrested, or their license pulled and then arrested when they continued to do business.

You may want to split hairs about who is a police officer vs a peace officer vs a federal agent. To the rest of us, if you have arrest powers you're a cop. If the people with arrest powers refused to make arrests then it doesn't matter how corrupt the rest of the government was, people would just tell then to pound sand

There is a big difference between certain federal agents, cops/police officers , IRS agents, etc.
Most FBI agents wouldn’t know how to handle the average 911 call. Most cops couldn’t do the accounting stuff a FBI agent does. Most cops don’t know federal law nor empowered to enforce it.
You call it splitting hairs but it’s how it is. It’s like saying all military branches and MOS are the same as if the Navy cook on a ship does the same thing as an Army airborne Ranger and are interchangeable. Or comparing a medical surgeon to chiropractor. Both treat aliments but aren’t the same.

 

[Acer-m14]

and this pops up on my FB ..

 

[spat]

There is a big difference between certain federal agents, cops/police officers , IRS agents, etc.
Most FBI agents wouldn’t know how to handle the average 911 call. Most cops couldn’t do the accounting stuff a FBI agent does. Most cops don’t know federal law nor empowered to enforce it.
You call it splitting hairs but it’s how it is. It’s like saying all military branches and MOS are the same as if the Navy cook on a ship does the same thing as an Army airborne Ranger and are interchangeable. Or comparing a medical surgeon to chiropractor. Both treat aliments but aren’t the same.

All military are for fighting wars.

All cops are for arresting criminals.

All medical doctors are for healing the sick and injured.

Sure there are a ton of differences within each field, but they are all broadly similar.

 

[Truebeliever]

All military are for fighting wars.

All cops are for arresting criminals.

All medical doctors are for healing the sick and injured.

Sure there are a ton of differences within each field, but they are all broadly similar.

Oh, boy.
Yes very broadly similar but widely different in how they do things, what laws they enforce or even know how to enforce.
Most police officers can’t enforce most FFL related laws— or know how.
.
As far as police officers and that veto power you think they have police powers and being a police officer are two different things. And like the original intent of the marines on a ship , to contrast with the sailors if there is an uprising , one set of officers will enforce a law another set won’t . DA investigators, ATF agents and FBI are separate from most cops and have their own distinct culture .
Your veto argument is like saying if the soldiers in the military can just decide to veto an order.
Now, you will claim the police officer can just quit where a solider can’t . Not always true. The officer can be arrested and convicted for official misconduct.
“From Pl 195


§ 195.00 Official misconduct.

A public servant is guilty of official misconduct when, with intent to
obtain a benefit or deprive another person of a benefit:
2)He knowingly refrains from performing a duty which is imposed upon
him by law or is clearly inherent in the nature of his office.”

This defense lawyer gives an example on his website of not arresting

Official Misconduct | New York Criminal Defense Lawyers Tilem & Associates

Free Consultation - Call 877-377-8666 - Tilem & Associates aggressively represents the accused against charges in Criminal Defense & Crime cases. Official Misconduct - New York Criminal Defense Lawyer

www.tilemlawfirm.com

 

[Darth]

I’m not agreeing or disagreeing. I know what a dope I was at 18. Brains don’t mature until about 24. The “go to war” argument doesn’t really hold up. Before going to war you are trained intensively on how to use your rifle and when to use your rifle. One reason young men have always been preferred at soldiers is because they are impressionable and emotionally risable. The kids who are safe with guns are the ones who have been trained for years by their parents. The buffalo kid is broken. HIndsight being 20/20, should the dealer not have been a little more curious about a kid coming in on his 18th birthday to buy 2 ARs? Slowed the kids roll somehow? I’m not advocating for any dopey new regulations, Im just thinking outloud. The kid is/was broken. Far too many people are broken in our country these days.

It’s not the guns, it’s the people!

Legend has it you can be a complete fuck up even when you're older too, and destroy an entire country, if not planet, as the president too.

So 6/half dozen.

 

[spat]

Oh, boy.
Yes very broadly similar but widely different in how they do things, what laws they enforce or even know how to enforce.
Most police officers can’t enforce most FFL related laws— or know how.
.
As far as police officers and that veto power you think they have police powers and being a police officer are two different things. And like the original intent of the marines on a ship , to contrast with the sailors if there is an uprising , one set of officers will enforce a law another set won’t . DA investigators, ATF agents and FBI are separate from most cops and have their own distinct culture .
Your veto argument is like saying if the soldiers in the military can just decide to veto an order.
Now, you will claim the police officer can just quit where a solider can’t . Not always true. The officer can be arrested and convicted for official misconduct.
“From Pl 195


§ 195.00 Official misconduct.

A public servant is guilty of official misconduct when, with intent to
obtain a benefit or deprive another person of a benefit:
2)He knowingly refrains from performing a duty which is imposed upon
him by law or is clearly inherent in the nature of his office.”

This defense lawyer gives an example on his website of not arresting

Official Misconduct | New York Criminal Defense Lawyers Tilem & Associates

Free Consultation - Call 877-377-8666 - Tilem & Associates aggressively represents the accused against charges in Criminal Defense & Crime cases. Official Misconduct - New York Criminal Defense Lawyer

www.tilemlawfirm.com

"with intent to
obtain a benefit or deprive another person of a benefit:"

Not arresting someone because you think the law itself is unethical is not obtaining a benefit nor depriving someone else of a benefit.

If some FFL starts selling full size mags to everyone who walks in the door, who is going to stop him ?

If they refuse to stop him, then the BS mag limit law is just words on paper.

 

[Jem45472]

Legend has it you can be a complete fuck up even when you're older too, and destroy an entire country, if not planet, as the president too.

So 6/half dozen.

Touch`e

 

[Truebeliever]

"with intent to
obtain a benefit or deprive another person of a benefit:"

Not arresting someone because you think the law itself is unethical is not obtaining a benefit nor depriving someone else of a benefit.

If some FFL starts selling full size mags to everyone who walks in the door, who is going to stop him ?

If they refuse to stop him, then the BS mag limit law is just words on paper.

If it’s a felony that the cop did not make the arrest for yes a police officer can be charged with it.
The benefit is to the person you didn’t arrest.
Go see the example the lawyer gave. No money or other benefit received by the person charged.

 

[jimc]

Maybe you should have to show voter ID to buy a gun?

I bought a fishing license over the weekend. From the NYS DEC's website:

 

[Deplorable Me]

At summer Cub Scout Camp and Boy Scout Summer Camp I've seen hundreds of kids qualify on BB guns, .22 and 12 gauge shotgun. In my kids high school I've repaired .22 rimfires for 5 years of rifle teams. America has a moron problem.

 

[pshift]

Morons should do society a favor and seek voluntary sterilization.

 

[Deplorable Me]

So in NYC they'll be able to own guns at 21?

 

[Blimey]

It's my contention that "adulthood" really begins at 21, of course there are those that mature well ahead, and many more that go long past that metric, but this is about mental maturation, something 18 year severely lack.

I distinctly remember maturing significantly by 20-21 vs 18. I was an absolute hooligan behind the wheel at 18.

 

[FrankenCub]

I distinctly remember maturing significantly by 20-21 vs 18. I was an absolute hooligan behind the wheel at 18.

I'll be fine with that, but in return I want un-neutered rifles and standard capacity magazines all across the board.

 

[Stuckinny]

Good thing kids will be safe from themselves if we raise the gun age to 21

15-year-old killed, three teens and driver hospitalized in crash on Henry Clay Boulevard

A 15-year-old has been killed and four others were sent to the hospitals in a rollover crash on Henry ClayBoulevard on Wednesday night. Deputies said the front seat passenger, Benjamin Foster, 15, of Central Square, died at the scene. The 20-year-old driver and three passengers - two...

cnycentral.com

 

[Chicken Shoot]

... as long as they pass a bill that moves the voting age to 40 ... otherwise ... NO!!! Unconstitutional!