Hochul signs new gun laws

[Beerman]

I’m much more concerned about the weird dude at the gun shop that only wants to buy one bullet, not the guy that wants a couple cases of various calibers.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I’m much more concerned about the weird dude at the gun shop that only wants to buy one bullet, not the guy that wants a couple cases of various calibers.

Yes we are more concerned about the weirdo who just randomly buys a box.

But the government is not. They want to know who's buying "a lot".

Ya see? They're not actually looking to stop crime. They are looking to "know" who has what and who is a threat to them. Not about protecting us from lone wolves. That's not their intent with this.

 

[technicalgadget]

I have mentioned this before I purchased a handgun from sportsman Warehouse . It had to be ordered. I prepaid for the gun and they gave me a gift card to hold until the gun came in and I turned in the gift certificate to purchase the hand gun... This could be a possible work around ?

Fucking brilliant and should be standard procedure at any big box stores.

 

[Zerex]

She wants to build a data base of all guns owners, who buy any ammo as, a red flag threat...................20 bullets is enough..........THAT IS THE SECRET STANDARD.

Next, logically, is an mandatory inventory of all ammo owned................AND FIREARMS.........ONE GUN AND 20 BULLETS IS HER GOAL--------- TO KEEP MUSLIMS/BLM SAFE, FROM SELF DEFENSE MAGA............or in her mind planning"something"........like shooting trap, sleet, cowboy, IDPA, 3 gun, etc etc.
ALL TERRORISTS....... COME FROM THE NATIONAL TRAP SHOOTERS ASSOCIATION...Hochul rule #89
Even reloading supplies will be tracked as a terrorist's attempt to get around ammo NICS checks.

She belongs on Mt Rushmore..............position optional.

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

The ammo thing is no surprise. The whole reason for BCs for ammo was to track what people buy. If you bulk purchased to avoid multiple BCs in the future...well you are on their radar now. Im still proud I have never bought ammo since that law went into affect.

The CC thing is interesting. Its a state law, so I would assume it only pertains to in state purchases. My FFL is small and I generally purchase from places like Gunbroker, Impact, PSA, etc and have them shipped. Pay cash for the transfer. Jabba the hut and her gestapo cannot exactly enforce that. I suppose they could kindly ask the CC companies, but most would probably say pound salt. Just my two cents.

 

[Saltwater60]

The ammo thing is no surprise. The whole reason for BCs for ammo was to track what people buy. If you bulk purchased to avoid multiple BCs in the future...well you are on their radar now. Im still proud I have never bought ammo since that law went into affect.

The CC thing is interesting. Its a state law, so I would assume it only pertains to in state purchases. My FFL is small and I generally purchase from places like Gunbroker, Impact, PSA, etc and have them shipped. Pay cash for the transfer. Jabba the hut and her gestapo cannot exactly enforce that. I suppose they could kindly ask the CC companies, but most would probably say pound salt. Just my two cents.

Me too. I’ve never done an ammo background check and I’m proud of it as well. I’ll need some new self defense ammo soon so I’ll be making a trip some where for that. I should have bought some while I was away recently but I don’t have time. I passed few gun shops too. I slacked on that trip for sure.

 

[Zerex]

She wants CC data for people.......i.e., .MAGA MANIACS who voted against her..3+ million of neanderthal, anti CCP, anti Xi, anti Commie Garrison in the Adirondacks, anti DNC , who are buying ammo in Pa................

The fear is that Hegseth.,Bondi, Patel and Trump will call for a NATIONAL, MAGA based Militia to be formed, to protect the Union, from secessionist, anti SCOTUS Blue States........ behind an Iron Curtain.........

That is Hochul fear #45..........but only #23 on the Aunti list.

There are NYS Pistol permit lists, AW License lists, Hunting License lists; .starting there by banning all known licensed guns in the state, is not only logical................... but may be imminent.

I suspect that loose gun parts may be banned, along with any ammo.

A date with legal destiny and SCOTUS for NYS is also predictable after SNOPES.......and may cause the formation of the Hochul/Blue State Secessionist Confederation...with China/Mexico.

 

[HIghlander]

This is why Jude cash for all guns and unrelated items. Although it’s getting harder and harder to do in NYS. I wonder how it is tracked or if it is if I buy in line and use the funds out of my bank account and bypass any credit or debit card. Anyone know how that would work?

Get a Visa one of the other Debit Cards at Wally World, or any location that sells them. No Customer name. Just pay and load with cash.

 

[Vinson57]

They are trying to find the active shooter profile where the crazy kid takes the first credit card offer they get or they find one and they buy weapons and ammo, and then they don't usually pay as they plan to die.

So this doesn't really work in NY anymore.

What if it did, does this make probable cause?

 

[Deplorable Me]

So in NY one has to get a background check for ammo of which info is logged into a database AND the CC companies will now track your purchases and report them to NY?? Time to buy suppositories and cayenne pepper by the case.

 

[misunderestimated]

How do you eat and elephant ?

One bite at a time. Every year another nibble ,

 

[Jsmegs77]

Except the pig rode in on her

Wait, I’m lost. Which one is the pig?

 

[jimc]

So in NY one has to get a background check for ammo of which info is logged into a database AND the CC companies will now track your purchases and report them to NY?? Time to buy suppositories and cayenne pepper by the case.


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That's a good point. If the state already requires background checks for any ammo or firearms, why have the credit card companies report that you purchased something (possibly bug repellent or beef jerky) from an outdoor store.

 

[Deplorable Me]

That's a good point. If the state already requires background checks for any ammo or firearms, why have the credit card companies report that you purchased something (possibly bug repellent or beef jerky) from an outdoor store.

Micro-management by the nanny state.

 

[stokes]

Wait, I’m lost. Which one is the pig?

She is lower than the pig, she's a cum bucket for the pig, kind of a pig concubine.

 

[pshift]

It's ridiculous. An easy workaround is to get one of those GreenDot cards, use it, dispose of it, and get another one.

 

[MothMan]

I am driving, haven't done any research on this yet but I heard her in her own words bragging about 3 new anti gun laws that are now in effect. One of which should concern everyone here.

She is extremely proud that she coerced credit card companies to collect and store data on consumer purchases of gun related items like ammo to report into a database for predictive analysis on whom the state police needs to flag pre emptively as "stocking up to do something bad".

Just throwing that out there to make people aware.

LGS need to start accepting payment in crypto currency through Flexa. No identity associated with purchase, no MC code shared cuz there isn’t one. The stores just have to want to shield their customers. Easy for the purchaser too.

 

[SonOfSun]

All of your spending data is saved into databases and tracked. Sufe it's usually just bullshit rewards programs and for marketing but it can definitely be used for sinister government big brother over reach and social credit nonsense. Which is conspiracy theory stuff. Except, out governor literally just said that's what she's making the credit card companies do.

I've always assumed this and worse. Rambam's 2nd law: "Information that can be used WILL be abused".

Whatever information someone has on you that can be used for one purpose will 100% of the time eventually be abused for some other purpose. Assume this is the case and plan/share information accordingly.

Steve Rambam has a 2-3 hour video on YT on this type of thing and it's excellent viewing, even if a bit dated the concepts still apply.

Edit: added.

 

[thughes]

Just buy your guns from the same place the criminals do, problem solved.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Is it illegal to mail/ship yourself ammo to NY from another state, or does the simple act of receiving ammo in NY require a BGC?

 

[Old Jalopy]

It's ridiculous. An easy workaround is to get one of those GreenDot cards, use it, dispose of it, and get another one.

Shhhhh! The first rule of workarounds is, no one talks about workarounds.

 

[Grimscale]

That's a good point. If the state already requires background checks for any ammo or firearms, why have the credit card companies report that you purchased something (possibly bug repellent or beef jerky) from an outdoor store.

To catch NY'ers who are buying out of state.

 

[Old Jalopy]

The only things that have freedoms or privacy in NY are criminals and politicians. No difference in this state between the two if you ask me.

 

[PA Guns & Ammo]

When it comes to credit and debit card transactions, it depends on what point of sale software the retailer is using if it is tied to the credit card machine or direct line to the credit card company. Mine is not tied to my point of sale software so any credit or debit card purchases are just the amount and are not itemized. So if you spend five dollars, the only thing the credit card company knows it that you spent five dollars at my shop. They have no idea what you purchased. Most retailers will use point of sale software that is tied to the credit card sales. It is much easier for inventory, returns and credits.

 

[Cooolone]

Google already records your firearm data. They wrote an algorithm a few years back that records the serial number from pictures we post of our guns. It also does the same for video. When I first heard about it, I thought it was BS. But I did a little searching and sure enough, Google and all of its child/sister/partner companies, and Facebook index the images. It's supposed to be so they can locate guns used in crimes. In reality, it's just a huge worldwide registry using images and video.
Your purchases are already tracked on everything from underwear to firearm stuff anyway, even using cash.
Anyone who thinks buying something in a gun shop with cash that you need to show an ID for is in denial if you think that store doesn't have a digital fingerprint on you. I hate it, but that's what high-tech does. I stated this before, there's a locally private owned chain of gun stores in the Albany area that have and keep a database on all customers. They record every purchase into the file they make on you, doesn't matter if you pay with cash, card, or goats.

This is so much NY programming it isn't even funny! Want to talk about secondary sale/transfers? How many states, especially those free states do not require ANY paperwork, no involvement of a LGS or BGC, etc. So what are they tracking? Also, FFL's are only required to process the FEDERAL BGC where required. And Google doesn't have access to that, if paying cash! No State requirements to record the sales transaction, serial # or purchaser! You walk into a LGS purchase a handgun, pass the BGC, pay and you're on your way. That's it!

The problem here is the bad 70's movie dystopian nanny State moronic ridiculousness that wants to watch you're every move! Basically prescribing that you only Live by Permission in all aspects of your life, even those funny little things identified as Rights! Albeit selectively as the 2nd gets the most attention!

This! I too had no real idea just how badly gun owners in New Yorkistan are being fucked until I moved to Free America (the Carolina's).

Yes yes yes! Winner winner chicken dinner!

You cannot see inside the pickle barrel until you escape it and look back ... And it's grotesque!!!

I told the story here, about a few years ago when the wife and I were driving around town and exploring whether or not we liked the area (NC). I slammed on the brakes and my wife looked at me like I was nuts as there was no cause in the roadway for this. But I pointed to her a sign on the side of a business, which was a LGS, and it said "AR-15 Sale - $495" hahahahahahahaha... I was lmao! And it certainly helped (me) make my decision right there.

That's a good point. If the state already requires background checks for any ammo or firearms, why have the credit card companies report that you purchased something (possibly bug repellent or beef jerky) from an outdoor store.

Egregious "Search" absent Probable Cause is a serious violation of a person's Right(s). But these fuckers in NYS don't give a shit about anyone or their Rights, except for those fucking criminal migrants, rapist, drug dealers and others! The State wishes to create and atmosphere of fear and intimidation in order to control the masses in the worst way possible, by making law abiding citizens criminals at every turn...

"The ultimate inversion is when the Gov't gets to do whatever they want, and citizens only live by permission"... Someone said that almost 100 years ago and she was clairvoyant! And things weren't nearly as insane as they are right now in these 9 states (consistently) that continually infringe upon citizens Rights in a smothering atmosphere that weighs heavy upon all those who wish to exercise their Right(s). Live "Freely" my ass...

I'm wondering why, these States, let alone NY, are not smothered in return, with lawsuits. The fact that some 29 States now recognize Constitutional or Permitless Carry and DO NOT have issues being used as a basis for demonstration of malfeasance towards those who exercise their 2A Right is astounding!... Anyways, it's all good! NY NY...

Have a great day folks!

 

[Brawny71]

She wants to build a data base of all guns owners, who buy any ammo as, a red flag threat...................20 bullets is enough..........THAT IS THE SECRET STANDARD.

Next, logically, is an mandatory inventory of all ammo owned................AND FIREARMS.........ONE GUN AND 20 BULLETS IS HER GOAL--------- TO KEEP MUSLIMS/BLM SAFE, FROM SELF DEFENSE MAGA............or in her mind planning"something"........like shooting trap, sleet, cowboy, IDPA, 3 gun, etc etc.
ALL TERRORISTS....... COME FROM THE NATIONAL TRAP SHOOTERS ASSOCIATION...Hochul rule #89
Even reloading supplies will be tracked as a terrorist's attempt to get around ammo NICS checks.

She belongs on Mt Rushmore..............position optional.

She already has that as of the NYS background AND got you to pay for it.

 

[Old Jalopy]

This is so much NY programming it isn't even funny! Want to talk about secondary sale/transfers? How many states, especially those free states do not require ANY paperwork, no involvement of a LGS or BGC, etc. So what are they tracking? Also, FFL's are only required to process the FEDERAL BGC where required. And Google doesn't have access to that, if paying cash! No State requirements to record the sales transaction, serial # or purchaser! You walk into a LGS purchase a handgun, pass the BGC, pay and you're on your way. That's it!

The problem here is the bad 70's movie dystopian nanny State moronic ridiculousness that wants to watch you're every move! Basically prescribing that you only Live by Permission in all aspects of your life, even those funny little things identified as Rights! Albeit selectively as the 2nd gets the most attention!

I didn't write the laws, but I do follow them. I don't own Google or Facebook, I don't write the code that spies on people, and I'm not responsible for electronics that record conversations. I don't live in a dream world where leprechauns ride unicorns over rainbows, either. I look at what's going on around me in real time to make decisions. I'm just a guy who likes to hunt and go target shooting sometimes. I'm just a guy who feels all of my constitutional rights are not to be violated, especially the ones who state right in the Amendment it shall not be infringed upon. I don't own or operate a gun store. I completely agree with you, as long as you haven't committed a violent felony I say you should be allowed to walk into any store that sells guns, buy any long or hand gun (including an SBR) in the place, and go home with it right then and there. No papers, no checks, pay and leave. The constitution does not say I need permission to buy a firearm.

 

[Koz]

I have mentioned this before I purchased a handgun from sportsman Warehouse . It had to be ordered. I prepaid for the gun and they gave me a gift card to hold until the gun came in and I turned in the gift certificate to purchase the hand gun... This could be a possible work around ?

They did that with me on a fly reel. I prepaid and was given a gift card to pay when the reel showed up. I thought it was BS, but it does seem like a way to use their policies to circumvent the Albany Asswipe.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

And none of the gun rights organizations, that I used to donate to, take any initiative to fight in NY. NY is a litigation sanctuary state. Even the Trumpster in his first term did zip to restore Constitutional rights in Ny. I haven’t heard anything about actions in regards to this so far in his young second term. Gun owners in NY Must be in the Guinness book of records for all the time we are bent over and holding our ankles.

 

[FP1201]

I am driving, haven't done any research on this yet but I heard her in her own words bragging about 3 new anti gun laws that are now in effect. One of which should concern everyone here.

She is extremely proud that she coerced credit card companies to collect and store data on consumer purchases of gun related items like ammo to report into a database for predictive analysis on whom the state police needs to flag pre emptively as "stocking up to do something bad".

Just throwing that out there to make people aware.

The excuse they use is someone "stocking up" and that's a subjective amount to trigger examination of the purchase, which really isn't ANY of the States fucking business, but I digress...the second is the ignorance of their own demand of BGC's for ammunition transfers...thing I wonder about is IF the Credit Card Companies are required to report transactions with certain Codes to the State?
Ordering a Case of .22's is 5,000 rounds, Flats of Trap/Skeet loads are 250 to a Flat and going through a 1000 rounds during the season isn't unusual to us but that might be enough for the Purple Tie Mafia to use in padding their annual review.

As for the demand that Dealers disseminate notices of the dangers inherent with Firearms, that's about as useful as the warning on the side of a pack of cigarettes telling the totally ignorant that it's dangerous. Tangent: Remember back when "Doctors" actually recommend brands of Cigarettes....How is that for "Trusting and Believing in the Science"?

As far as "Pistol Converters" (parts to make a Firearm capable of full-auto fire) perhaps it was that NY had no way to prosecute and needed another charge to work into a plea-bargain which the DA's tout as a "win" at re-election time, unless it's raise the age and they don't get any meaningful punishment....Federally, that "switch" IS a "Machine Gun" and a felony with harsh penalties, should the Government be so inclined to build and prosecute a Case, and unless the defendant has lots of money or prominence in criminal enterprises they're not going to want to be bothered.