House Bill Would Disband Scandal-Plagued ATF
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Robin
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Okay.
Robin
Robin
nfernaays
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Let's hope this gets some traction.
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
HAHAHA yea right, Ronald Reagan once said that a bureaucracy is the closest thing to eternal life that we have on this planet. Or something like that.
ArmedCorgi
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I thought he was joking when he said that! I even wrote it in my diary. "Dear Diary, Reagan told a funny joke today."
GOYABEAN
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The government has become a incurable disease 
Celt
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Well that would be a start. Then we can get rid of the IRS, DHS, and many many other alphabet agencies.
C3D
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spat
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The ATF and DEA came about because all the agents needed jobs after prohibition ended....
My biggest concern about disbanding both agencies (and we really need to get rid of them) is what are they going to do. They will not end up on the unemployment line, or defending the border.
BerettaGuy
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If it happens I will be looking for a coppersmith.
But in reality, the liberals would scream like a raped ape if it happened.
But in reality, the liberals would scream like a raped ape if it happened.
ProgSpear
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I'm ok with that.
ArmedCorgi
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I suppose now is as good a time as ever. Not even going to try to hold my breath like prambo though.
livingston
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ATF on the Chopping Block Again, So Brace for Waco 2
Remember last time the ATF was up for dissolution? That was in 1993. When Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) proposed back then that ATF needed to be dissolved, the agency scrambled to find a way to justify its own existence. Surely, if they had a big bust, a big save, the government would see how very important and necessary they were. But who could they arrest? What could they do to prove they needed to stick around?
They decided to go after a guy in Texas, named Vernon Howell–known to his church as David Koresh. The rest, as they say, is history; a bloody, horrifying, charred and craven piece of history that proved only the depravity of the ATF and the greater federal government.
ATF on the Chopping Block Again, So Brace for Waco 2 - The Patrick Henry Society
Remember last time the ATF was up for dissolution? That was in 1993. When Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) proposed back then that ATF needed to be dissolved, the agency scrambled to find a way to justify its own existence. Surely, if they had a big bust, a big save, the government would see how very important and necessary they were. But who could they arrest? What could they do to prove they needed to stick around?
They decided to go after a guy in Texas, named Vernon Howell–known to his church as David Koresh. The rest, as they say, is history; a bloody, horrifying, charred and craven piece of history that proved only the depravity of the ATF and the greater federal government.
ATF on the Chopping Block Again, So Brace for Waco 2 - The Patrick Henry Society
spat
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The fact that they weren't completely disassembled after that is why so many no longer trust the feds.
Jsmegs77
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I realize I'm speaking to probably the last forum that will say the BATF-E (or whatever they like to call themselves nowadays) possesses any legitimate purpose, but what necessary function do they ACTUALLY perform? Going on their title alone they should have some regulatory say over alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives, but is there any regulation of the above that isn't already performed on the state level? Why is there a need for a federal agency to do this?
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
These agencies have an important role even if they just need better leadership. Fast and Furious wasn't because of the agents in the field.
And when a new bureaucracy takes over the other's mission, they tend to be zealots in the beginning. Something no one wants to experience first hand.
Put the right people in charge and they can become excellent agencies.
And when a new bureaucracy takes over the other's mission, they tend to be zealots in the beginning. Something no one wants to experience first hand.
Put the right people in charge and they can become excellent agencies.
ProgSpear
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Excellence is an elastic concept, depending on who is on the receiving end, and what they are receiving. Some people actually think FUAC is an excellent governor.
Doc8404
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ATF has a redundant role.
Uninformed and Compliant
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A very good question, but a loaded question full of falsehoods. "Need" is not superior to "Lawful". "Is it LAWFUL for a federal agency to do this". "Is it LAWFUL for congress to CREATE that federal agency." "Is it LAWFUL for an AGENCY to CREATE LAW."
There is no delegated authority for the Congress to create laws regarding booze, smokes, guns, and bombs. It is absolutely FORBIDDEN for executive branch to invent "policies" and "regulations" that carry the force and penalty of law. Their actions are NOTHING less than criminal extortion under the COLOR of law.
This is not an anecdotal point. It is THE point.
Cheers,
Jsmegs77
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I'm with you on the LAWFUL point, and wasn't attempting to place "NEED" ahead of it...perhaps just phrased the thing wrong. I am questioning the perceived necessity to create an agency to regulate items already regulated sufficiently (or excessively) by pretty much every state, to the best of my admittedly limited knowledge. Redundant regulation on the federal level is one of the glaring problems with this country, in my not-at-all humble opinion.