HUZZAH ! President Trump is building our WALL !

[Chevusa]

No, see, I don't like the government taking money from me.

But you’re fine taking it from them. A refund you were not owed. Got it.

 

[Darth]

But you’re fine taking it from them. A refund you were not owed. Got it.

Not owed according to who?

 

[Chevusa]

Not owed according to who?

The law of the land. Let me guess you’re a sovereign citizen. Enough already.

 

[Darth]

The law of the land. Let me guess you’re a sovereign citizen. Enough already.

Apparently the law of the land thought we were owed did it not?

 

[Chevusa]

Apparently the law of the land thought we were owed did it not?

The president wanted to help and congress followed the proper legislation and passed the bill which the president then signed. But you were under no obligation to accept or keep it. But you did anyway. I’m moving on for the night. Take care.

 

[Darth]

The president wanted to help and congress followed the proper legislation and passed the bill which the president then signed. But you were under no obligation to accept or keep it. But you did anyway. I’m moving on for the night. Take care.

So it was the law of the land at that point. And that's all that matters obviously as you've demonstrated in this thread. Nice.

 

[Chevusa]

So it was the law of the land at that point. And that's all that matters obviously as you've demonstrated in this thread. Nice.

Right. But as I said you disagree with it and are free to return it. But you will not. Just taking on the internet about it. You showed me!

 

[Darth]

Right. But as I said you disagree with it and are free to return it. But you will not. Just taking on the internet about it. You showed me!

I'm talking about not wanting to give the government money.

I'm not giving the government money.

Such inconsistency.

 

[Chevusa]

I'm talking about not wanting to give the government money.

I'm not giving the government money.

Such inconsistency.

The govt waisted it by giving it to people who don’t need and blew it on bubblegum and candy. Set the example and return it. It’s wasteful govt spending that you have such a problem with. In fact donate it to the exact department you want to have it. That way they will use it for something you have an interest in. All the agency’s you can donate to are provided for you in the link.

 

[Darth]

The govt waisted it by giving it to people who don’t need and blew it on bubblegum and candy. Set the example and return it. It’s wasteful govt spending that you have such a problem with. In fact donate it to the exact department you want to have it. That way they will use it for something you have an interest in. All the agency’s you can donate to are provided for you in the link.

And which one gets me to "not giving the government money?"

 

[Darth]

This thread is a fine example of those small government Pubs easily being as bad if not worse than the dems.

 

[Chevusa]

And which one gets me to "not giving the government money?"

Renounce your citizenship and start living off of the land instead of using publicly funded resources daily. I’m sure there are places you could go where you wouldn’t have to pay tax. Something tells me you couldn’t cut it though. You like your luxuries provided by the govt.

 

[Darth]

Renounce your citizenship and start living off of the land instead of using publicly funded resources daily. I’m sure there are places you could go where you wouldn’t have to pay tax. Something tells me you couldn’t cut it though. You like your luxuries provided by the govt.

We shall see.

Let's wait until an event hits that closes the government for months and see if I survive.

 

[Darth]

I survived.

 

[Chevusa]

We shall see.

Let's wait until an event hits that closes the government for months and see if I survive.

You don’t use roads, bridges, etc? I don’t think your hiking are you?

 

[Chevusa]

I’d be careful with all of the “government can’t tax me” and other sovereign citizen talking points nonsense. I believe it is a disqualification question on the 4473 if you have rescinded your citizenship. Wouldn’t want to see anyone get a visit they don’t want.

 

[CaseHardened]

I absolutely enjoy modern conveniences.

But the Government did not invent them, nor pay for them.

CAPITALISM and PRIVATE ENTERPRISE did !

As far as Social Security goes, I contributed - now I'm collecting.

But, ok. There are American Citizens born retarded, handicapped, or crippled by disease, accident, war. Who are "useless".

NO. Not "useless' or undeserving in the eyes of GOD.

I have extreme sympathy for AMERICAN CITIZENS in need.

And if it were possible, we should provide for every Human, everywhere. But that is not possible right now.

So let us take care of our CITIZENS for now. Let us do what we can for others, but never to the detriment of our own.

 

[BDinPutnam]

The vast majority of Mexicans do not come here via airplanes. In order for them to come here via airplane, they would need a Visa beforehand to even board the plane.

Visa’s from 3rd world countries require many stipulations to get. You have to have a certain amount of money in your account. You have a have certain jobs. Ect. Because they cannot get a Visa, they cross over on foot.

Maybe going forward you should be more clear that your issue with "illegal aliens" seems to be specific to Mexicans. Even though there has been a net outflow of Mexicans from the US over the last 10 years. But WTF do I know, I'm not waving flags and banners I'm suggesting we do concrete, unsexy enforcement work that would actually cost less money and address the underlying issues.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Maybe going forward you should be more clear that your issue with "illegal aliens" seems to be specific to Mexicans. Even though there has been a net outflow of Mexicans from the US over the last 10 years. But WTF do I know, I'm not waving flags and banners I'm suggesting we do concrete, unsexy enforcement work that would actually cost less money and address the underlying issues.

The wall is to stop aliens from all countries walking in from Mexico. It slows down one approach. The other approach is via expired visa. I don’t have an answer to that one other than monitoring or collateral.

 

[BDinPutnam]

The wall is to stop aliens from all countries walking in from Mexico. It slows down one approach. The other approach is via expired visa. I don’t have an answer to that one other than monitoring or collateral.

Read slowly here.

The wall is symbolic crap.

It does nothing.

It will do nothing.

It is Trump's equivalent of the 2 minutes hate.

It is bullshit and a waste of time and a distraction from real, unsexy customs and immigration work. Which most of those people cant be bothered to do.

How many Pakistani IT guys are "walking in" thru the Mexican desert?

 

[Marine Cpl]

The wall does nothing. Really? Explain this. All those people would have crossed when the caravans got there.

 

[BDinPutnam]

The wall does nothing. Really? Explain this. All those people would have crossed when the caravans got there.

Got... where, exactly?

Source?

I see like 200 people here and several of them are on top of the fence.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Got... where, exactly?

Source?

I see like 200 people here and several of them are on top of the fence.

Notice they aren’t crossing. That’s at San Ysidro California. The wall has been up there for decades. It runs all along the city and used to stop when it got to the less desirable desert.

You aren’t going to really tell me with a straight face that walls don’t stop or slow crowds crossing.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Walls don’t do anything.

 

[Darth]

You don’t use roads, bridges, etc? I don’t think your hiking are you?

No.

Not recently.

Muh roadz.

 

[Darth]

I’d be careful with all of the “government can’t tax me” and other sovereign citizen talking points nonsense. I believe it is a disqualification question on the 4473 if you have rescinded your citizenship. Wouldn’t want to see anyone get a visit they don’t want.

4473...hmm...let's see here...is that the form that the SC said was OK, and, by your logic, is therfore a good idea?

 

[Criticalt]

Did the wall get completed during this "pandemic?"

Its going pretty good.
But it diesnt matter right now. The extra guards and cameras on the border have crossings down by 77%...thats like close to 100%......77% is amazing.
This shows what dozens of other countries have said....its not the physical structure of a wall that stops people, its the idea of the wall that deters people.
So, when Juan and Maria from Southern Mexico get the idea to cross the border, Maria says, "what about the 30' wall, the cameras and the motion detectors?"
And Juan says, " youre right, its not worth spending our life savings to travel 2000 miles just to be sent back."
Its called a deterent....ask the Chinese, I hear they have a wall that worked pretty good.

 

[Darth]

Its going pretty good.
But it diesnt matter right now. The extra guards and cameras on the border have crossings down by 77%...thats like close to 100%......77% is amazing.
This shows what dozens of other countries have said....its not the physical structure of a wall that stops people, its the idea of the wall that deters people.
So, when Juan and Maria from Southern Mexico get the idea to cross the border, Maria says, "what about the 30' wall, the cameras and the motion detectors?"
And Juan says, " youre right, its not worth spending our life savings to travel 2000 miles just to be sent back."
Its called a deterent....ask the Chinese, I hear they have a wall that worked pretty good.

The one the Mongolians got right through?

Anyway, you know what will bring that number higher than 77%? Ending the incentive to come here.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Walls don’t do anything.

I never said that.

I think a sea to sea wall is a stupid shiny that Trump and co are using to distract you.

 

[Criticalt]

The one the Mongolians got right through?

Anyway, you know what will bring that number higher than 77%? Ending the incentive to come here.

100% agree.
The only law we need is that illegals get ZERO help with medical, food or housing.
Then we would not need the wall.
We would still get the ones like we have in WNY, the heroin dealers who work for the cartels.
This is a group of illegals nobody seems to talk about.
Usually young men sent here in the thousands by the cartels for one reason only, to sell drugs.
They have no inclination to work or collect benefits.....they would still be a problem.
Our local police chief says there are approximately 200 of these guys in Jamestown NY alone.
Jamestown has a population of 30,000 people. Imagine how many there are in larger cities.
They dont care about benifits, they stay off the radar.