livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
A lot of good points are made in this video . More control of the population seems to be the driving theme.
If WW3 happens What will be the effect on everyday american life.
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Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
Im going to become Amish, with a Ham radio, I also think things will become tribal. Territorial. and its going to get violent, very violent. The people with the guns, will be the rulers
All kidding aside I'm not personally convinced nukes will be involved in ww3
I tend to take a contrarian view on things I am always the guy asking questions that others aren't so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
I think ww3 is already happening. We're in it now we just don't realize it.
I think that it's very likely ww3 beginning stages will be "gray zone" warfare that falls below the threshold of an actual kinetic response and slowly they will keep pushing a little more and a little more. And at some point one of the belligerents will do something like using covert means to deploy genetically targeted bio warfare viruses and simultaneously doing something else like taking out grid down and we won't know all the details or who even to blame. Was it Russia ? China? NK? Iran? Etc?
Things will be very muddled in complete confusion and chaos.
Or, think of this. What happens if China says in back channel communications that they're going to move on Taiwan and if we get involved they will halt ALL trade with us. That means things like 95% of prescription medications are no longer available and many spare parts and cheap shit are unobtanium overnights and they will also activate the hidden malware in all the hardware components that control our grid, SCADA controllers and military hardware that has been compromised. Our infrastructure would be totally F'd because we've outsourced our most critical components of critical supply chains. How popular is a US response to china going to be when it means your mom.lr brother or kids don't get prescription drugs they need to stay alive? How popular will war be when it results in our grid being devastated and putting our citizens into hardship they've never experienced.
Our politicians as re selfish bastards and were in this position because they wanted to get rich and if compromising our national security happens to get in the way so he it, because to them they are too greedy to care.
Just some things to ponder.
But if nukes fly I think there are 3 scenarios
Scenario 1, the aggressor country sends 1 some place insignificant to show they are serious.
or 2 a limited nuke strike on the others nuclear triad complexes to try and reduce their effectiveness and hope the sue for peace to save face. It's the "Escalate to deescalate" scenario
Or option 3, a sudden out of the blue full scale strategic and tactical attack to try and crush your opponent 100% and reduce their ability to hit you back. Risking global anhihation to win a nuclear ww3.this is the all or nothing proposition.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
agree
spat
.700 Nitro Express
The problem with nukes and a world War is that eventually someone will start losing.
Once they're losing badly enough, they'll go all in.
Someone always eventually ends up going all in.
That's why I made my post, the trick is to either not let your opponent know you're at war or somehow get enough leverage over them to convince them not to.
I think the whole system is in trouble. I think every government is extended beyond the value of their currency and the puppet master will tell them to fight so they crash the system.
I don't think nukes will come into play because the people that want to be called master want a place for their slaves to live.
Yes we are at war now. With China, with our own government and with the economy.
I think we are exactly where they want us and they are ready to push reset. Kenectic war will be the mechanism to do it. No one has the money to sustain a war.
I don't think nukes will come into play because the people that want to be called master want a place for their slaves to live.
Yes we are at war now. With China, with our own government and with the economy.
I think we are exactly where they want us and they are ready to push reset. Kenectic war will be the mechanism to do it. No one has the money to sustain a war.
IMO we will feel the effects of ww3 here at home.
Our economy will suffer. Our quality of life will decrease. We will likely experience bio warfare, gray zone warfare (watch the forward observer channel for more details), our grid and infrastructure will be attacked and impacted, and our supply chain will be under more stress, our food availability will decrease. All of these events will likely lead to increasing civil unrest and increasing government totalitarianism.
It's going to be a mess for many different reasons.
Our economy will suffer. Our quality of life will decrease. We will likely experience bio warfare, gray zone warfare (watch the forward observer channel for more details), our grid and infrastructure will be attacked and impacted, and our supply chain will be under more stress, our food availability will decrease. All of these events will likely lead to increasing civil unrest and increasing government totalitarianism.
It's going to be a mess for many different reasons.
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Right now the best thing we can hope for is complete collapse of the government within each belligerent (US, Russia, China). The internal discord will force a focus on domestic policy and they won't have the time or energy to wage war.
It's not a completely outlandish idea based on current trends.
It's not a completely outlandish idea based on current trends.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
This is what is discussed in the video ... ... All fuel will to the war effort except the little that will be rationed say 20 gallons / month.. / household... Meat will be rationed for the same reason. Want to reduce the world population .. Women get sent to the front lines ... Everyday items will not be coming from China ... Or Germany for that matter ... Ships and planes will not get insurance .. So they sit. When you look at the WEF ... It plays right into their hand ... Get use to everything rationed. ... You live 20 miles from the food bank the government operates... So sorry one cannot get enough fuel for the month. to collect the food... . Move to the city we will put you up in the projects..Then you will not need fuel.. So sorry ... No guns in government run buildings... Turn them in ....
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The only war in this country's history where we came out with more freedom than when we went in was the Revolutionary War. Every other war, including the war on poverty, the war on drugs, has cost us our liberty incrementally. Look it up, its' all there, including the "Patriot Act", HAH, thats a good one.
Robin
Robin
thisIslandEarth
.357 mag
... OR an "alien" attack
spat
.700 Nitro Express
The problem with that is that when the people in charge concentrate on domestic policy, they will be concentrating on maintaining control, not creating prosperity.
And one of the most sure fire ways to cement control is to unite people against a common enemy.
So, that is the surest path into a world War
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
IMHO, we are in WW3. Financial and other battle lines are being drawn and the situation similar to alliances that were being made in the mid to late 30's. The problem the U.S. has specifically is we cannot support a sustained conventional engagement with one front let alone two with first world countries. Our Pacific fleet would be annihilated should we decide to protect Taiwan. They've run hundreds of scenarios at the Pentagon and its over. The Chinese know where every maritime support vessels is and they would be the first destroyed and sunk leaving the Fleet to fight with what's on board with no chance of resupply. If nukes are to be used it will be the U.S. that does it. We have all sorts of small tactical nukes and with very limited resources needed for war, a quick decisive end is what would be necessary. But that kicks the door wide open for a response that no one has control over.
NATO is screwed as well. Ukraine has depleted the NATO reserve ammo from small arms to artillery and they're now being supported with active supplies. The Ukraine war as rewritten all the papers on how and what would be needed for a non nuclear exchange with Russia. The Ukrainian artillery units and firing up to 4x the manufactures recommended amount and damaging the artillery guns. You can find them laughing about it on YouTube. Spray and pray small arms tactics still in effect. Grenades are in short supply as they are now teaching Ukrainians to clear trenches like a John Wick movie but leaving out that grenades will be heading their way as they are slowly and methodically pie the corners.
So with that context, I believe we shall be seeing a change is direction from our indoctrination masters. We have already seen the media isolate Russia and China as global threats. Careful in not mentioning BRICS of course. Today we see the U.S. attempting to capitulate to China and the propaganda is China is distancing itself from Russia and its declining Ruble. Devaluation of currencies within BRICS would be necessary if you are going to establish a basket of currencies to trade within the newly formed union. So that is all BS.
Then the U.S. has to sell it to the American people and Gen Z specifically. How they do that, I am waiting to see with popcorn in hand.Aside from the upcoming Gen A, Gen Z is the most indoctrinated selfish fools on the planet. All created to get rid of Trump. A draft of course would be needed and that should kick off the riots. Gen Z isn't being draft and RED state Gen Z have seen what our government thinks of them with JAN 6. So good luck Biden.
Of course the U.S. manufacturing is basically non existent and would take a few years to get rolling. Advance weapon systems rely of chip sets manufacture in Taiwan. No chance of resupply there. Yeah lol
If WW3 kicks off I would expect an immediate loss of power, along with oil and NG shortages.
If you pay attention to what is not in the media such as oil drilling contracts, NG contracts ..ect, you can get an idea of where the globalist thinking is right now. They have been planning this for years. They are planning WW3.
We as Americans will not be sheltered this time so our lives will be much more like Europe in WW2. Except, if conventional, without the bombing of cities. We will have power outages along with gas, oil and food would be rationed.
Would that result in a civil war? Good question. Europe rallied around the Allies against Germany. I don't think that is going to happen again.
NATO is screwed as well. Ukraine has depleted the NATO reserve ammo from small arms to artillery and they're now being supported with active supplies. The Ukraine war as rewritten all the papers on how and what would be needed for a non nuclear exchange with Russia. The Ukrainian artillery units and firing up to 4x the manufactures recommended amount and damaging the artillery guns. You can find them laughing about it on YouTube. Spray and pray small arms tactics still in effect. Grenades are in short supply as they are now teaching Ukrainians to clear trenches like a John Wick movie but leaving out that grenades will be heading their way as they are slowly and methodically pie the corners.
So with that context, I believe we shall be seeing a change is direction from our indoctrination masters. We have already seen the media isolate Russia and China as global threats. Careful in not mentioning BRICS of course. Today we see the U.S. attempting to capitulate to China and the propaganda is China is distancing itself from Russia and its declining Ruble. Devaluation of currencies within BRICS would be necessary if you are going to establish a basket of currencies to trade within the newly formed union. So that is all BS.
Then the U.S. has to sell it to the American people and Gen Z specifically. How they do that, I am waiting to see with popcorn in hand.
Aside from the upcoming Gen A, Gen Z is the most indoctrinated selfish fools on the planet. All created to get rid of Trump. A draft of course would be needed and that should kick off the riots. Gen Z isn't being draft and RED state Gen Z have seen what our government thinks of them with JAN 6. So good luck Biden.Of course the U.S. manufacturing is basically non existent and would take a few years to get rolling. Advance weapon systems rely of chip sets manufacture in Taiwan. No chance of resupply there. Yeah lol
If WW3 kicks off I would expect an immediate loss of power, along with oil and NG shortages.
If you pay attention to what is not in the media such as oil drilling contracts, NG contracts ..ect, you can get an idea of where the globalist thinking is right now. They have been planning this for years. They are planning WW3.
We as Americans will not be sheltered this time so our lives will be much more like Europe in WW2. Except, if conventional, without the bombing of cities. We will have power outages along with gas, oil and food would be rationed.
Would that result in a civil war? Good question. Europe rallied around the Allies against Germany. I don't think that is going to happen again.
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Unfortunately history is on your side. So I guess we're screwed no matter what happens.
thisIslandEarth
.357 mag
Excellent, articulate and well done! Agree with you 100%. This is no longer the USA with a mindset of the WWII generation. The downfall as you say has been in the works for a long time and currently our society and way of life is under attack from within. Send in the woke generation, send in the illegal immigrants, send in the trans and pans and bud lights.IMHO, we are in WW3. Financial and other battle lines are being drawn and the situation similar to alliances that were being made in the mid to late 30's. The problem the U.S. has specifically is we cannot support a sustained conventional engagement with one front let alone two with first world countries. Our Pacific fleet would be annihilated should we decide to protect Taiwan. They've run hundreds of scenarios at the Pentagon and its over. The Chinese know where every maritime support vessels is and they would be the first destroyed and sunk leaving the Fleet to fight with what's on board with no chance of resupply. If nukes are to be used it will be the U.S. that does it. We have all sorts of small tactical nukes and with very limited resources needed for war, a quick decisive end is what would be necessary. But that kicks the door wide open for a response that no one has control over.
NATO is screwed as well. Ukraine has depleted the NATO reserve ammo from small arms to artillery and they're now being supported with active supplies. The Ukraine war as rewritten all the papers on how and what would be needed for a non nuclear exchange with Russia. The Ukrainian artillery units and firing up to 4x the manufactures recommended amount and damaging the guns. You can find them laughing about it on YouTube. Spray and pray small arms tactics still in effect. Grenades are in short supply as they are now teaching Ukrainians to clear trenches like a John Wick movie but leaving out that grenades will be heading their way as they are slowly and methodically pie the corners.
So with that context, I believe we shall be seeing a change is direction from our indoctrination masters. We have already seen the media isolate Russia and China as global threats. Careful in not mentioning BRICS of course. Today we see the U.S. attempting to capitulate to China and the propaganda is China is distancing itself from Russia and its declining Ruble. Devaluation of currencies within BRICS would be necessary if you are going to establish a basket of currencies to trade within the newly formed union. So that is all BS.
Then the U.S. has to sell it to the American people and Gen Z specifically. How they do that, I am waiting to see with popcorn in hand.
Of course the U.S. manufacturing is basically non existent and would take a few years to get rolling. Advance weapon systems rely of chip sets manufacture in Taiwan. No chance of resupply there. Yeah lol
If WW3 kicks off I would expect an immediate loss of power, along with oil and NG shortages.
If you pay attention to what is not in the media such as oil drilling contracts, NG contracts ..ect, you can get an idea of where the globalist thinking is right now. They have been planning this for years. They are planning WW3.
We as Americans will not be sheltered this time so our lives will be much more like Europe in WW2. Except, if conventional, without the bombing of cities. We will have power outages along with gas, oil and food would be rationed.
Would that result in a civil war? Good question. Europe rallied around the Allies against Germany. I don't think that is going to happen again.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
very interesting perspective, I would add, China's economy, right now, is actually in the shitter. Its being reported their economy is in deflation. Unemployment is very high, Those idiots might start WWIII just to try and get there economy going
Thanks. Like I said I try to play devil's advocate a lot with a contrarian point of view.
Crazier things have happened, wars have been started over less.
We did it with WWII after ten years of Depression following the Crash of '29
FDR knew his programs were doomed, so he allowed the Japanese to attack and used it as an excuse to declare War, after all that's what Presidents do when things turn to shit... Look at what Bush I and II did.
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
Yes China is manipulating their currency and economy. To what extent is unknown. But nothing new there anyway.
But if you believe what the Western media is reporting on China and Russia then you believe Covid lock downs were necessary, Trump lost in 2020, Biden beat Obama by over 15 millions votes and Bidenomics works.
NOTHING in our media is remotely close to the truth.
This week you will hear about BRICS and probably for the first time and you will be told what a disaster the union is and it is no threat to the dollar. Then why report it, right? How do I know? Because BRICS is meeting this week and you have to be fed a narrative to counter the disaster a BRICS union will be for the U.S. and the West. BRICS simply agreeing to trade amongst themselves in their own currencies deflates the dollar. Just that alone.
If by dumping the dollar, China is starting WW3 then you are correct. But why would they not dump the dollar? Our debt isn't serviceable and there is no long term favorable economic outlook for the U.S.economy, so why would anyone buy it? We are now AA+ rated and declining.
We have been nation manipulating all other economies globally not Russia or China. They certainly are manipulating their currencies in order to shape BRICS plus.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
China and the BRICS want to replace the petro dollar with their own money. whether that's the Yuan or whatever they can come up withYes China is manipulating their currency and economy. To what extent is unknown. But nothing new there anyway.
But if you believe what the Western media is reporting on China and Russia then you believe Covid lock downs were necessary, Trump lost in 2020, Biden beat Obama by over 15 millions votes and Bidenomics works.
NOTHING in our media is remotely close to the truth.
This week you will hear about BRICS and probably for the first time and you will be told what a disaster the union is and it is no threat to the dollar. Then why report it, right? How do I know? Because BRICS is meeting this week and you have to be fed a narrative to counter the disaster a BRICS union will be for the U.S. and the West. BRICS simply agreeing to trade amongst themselves in their own currencies deflates the dollar. Just that alone.
If by dumping the dollar, China is starting WW3 then you are correct. But why would they not dump the dollar? Our debt isn't serviceable and there is no long term favorable economic outlook for the U.S.economy, so why would anyone buy it? We are now AA+ rated and declining.
We have been nation manipulating all other economies globally not Russia or China. They certainly are manipulating their currencies in order to shape BRICS plus.
Can you explain how FDR allowed the Japanese to attack. I disagree with you but would really like to hear you support your statement.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
He called the emperor and asked him to bomb Peal Harbor, Trump was in on the phone call, hell, Even I heard it
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
From Sec of War Henry L. Stimson's diary entry of meeting Nov. 25, 1941 at WH (present FDR, Stimson, Cordell Hull, Frank Knox, Chief of Staff Gen.George Marshall, CNO Adm. Harold Stark)
Henry Stimson quoting himself knowing USA would likely be attacked by the next Monday in a surprise attack:
"How should we maneuver them into the position of firing the first shot without allowing too much damage to ourselves"
Richard N Current, Mississippi Valley Historical Review Vol 40, pp. 67-74 June 1953, Oxford University Press
Somewhere I read of an Australian submarine that sighted Japanese carriers prior to the attack and sent message to warn Americans.
The rumor and speculation likely has some truth to it but we will never know.
He didn't "allow" the attack so much as he didn't try to stop it maybe tacitly was hoping to get a bloody nose to cause public outcry. I know it's semantics but there is likely truth to it. FDR was looking for an excuse to get dragged into the war to help out Europe and get out economy rolling on a war footing.
Intel had been warning of impending Japanese aggression but it wasn't known exactly what was going to occur. Regardless FDR likely expected to be attacked somewhere in the Pacific but likely not to that severity of what happened in pearl harbor.
The end result got him his desired outcome, public outrage and a caseous beli to join the war and get us out of the depression.