IL Supreme Court: Defends 2nd Amendment Civil right

[Madmallard]

The Illinois Supreme Court has ruled a woman’s misdemeanor battery conviction can’t permanently prevent her from registering for a state FOID card and owning a gun, and said the right to keep and bear arms should be considered a civil right, on par with the right to vote, under the state’s firearms regulation.

Shawna Johnson pleaded guilty to misdemeanor battery in June 2001. In 2010, she obtained a Firearm Owners Identification Card, saying a local sheriff advised her she could mark “no” when the form asked her if she had a prior domestic violence conviction. However, she was denied her request to buy a handgun, and the Illinois State Police revoked her FOID card. She then sued in Wabash County Circuit Court in far southern Illinois. A judge ordered her card reinstated, and ruled the state’s FOID law was unconstitutional, as it applied to Johnson.

Justice Mary Jane Theis wrote the unanimous opinion on the ISP’s appeal, issued Jan. 24.

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[Saltwater60]

Good girl. This is surely interesting.

 

[Jsmegs77]

Unexpected, from Illinois.

 

[Phauxtoe]

hello trump court influence?

 

[meketrefe]

Wait a second... is this a US court upholding constitutonal rights?
Wow I am inpressed and speechless.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

and said the right to keep and bear arms should be considered a civil right

Yeah, no shit. "Should be considered"??? It fucking IS a civil right. A judge really said that? I knew that in grade school.

 

[Acer-m14]

the ACLU is going to be really pissed off now LOL ..

 

[Marine Cpl]

Yet some people here on this forum believe that someone convicted of a violent crime shouldn’t have gun rights.

 

[livingston]

Yet some people here on this forum believe that someone convicted of a violent crime shouldn’t have gun rights.

Johnson’s Case


On March 26, 2001, Johnson was charged with domestic battery for


hitting her then-husband Michael Korstick “on the face and head causing


bruises and abrasions.” C245. On June 7, 2001, she pleaded guilty to


misdemeanor battery. C42, 246.


Johnson held a FOID card in June 2012 when she was denied a


handgun purchase in Indiana because of her 2001 battery conviction

https://courts.illinois.gov/SupremeCourt/Docket/2019/Nov/124213_ATB.pdf

 

[meketrefe]

Yet some people here on this forum believe that someone convicted of a violent crime shouldn’t have gun rights.

I do believe that. I also believe they should be in jail or a mental institution, whichever applies.
Anyone who has taken an oarh know that rights do not cone w/o obligations.

 

[spat]

Johnson’s Case


On March 26, 2001, Johnson was charged with domestic battery for


hitting her then-husband Michael Korstick “on the face and head causing


bruises and abrasions.” C245. On June 7, 2001, she pleaded guilty to


misdemeanor battery. C42, 246.


Johnson held a FOID card in June 2012 when she was denied a


handgun purchase in Indiana because of her 2001 battery conviction

https://courts.illinois.gov/SupremeCourt/Docket/2019/Nov/124213_ATB.pdf

Was it safe to let her out of jail ?

Then it's safe to let her have a gun.

It really is that simple.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Yeah, no shit. "Should be considered"??? It fucking IS a civil right. A judge really said that? I knew that in grade school.

And now you know why you're not a judge.

 

[Elwood]

Was it safe to let her out of jail ?

Then it's safe to let her have a gun.

It really is that simple.

I wouldn’t exactly say that, they let that nut william Spengler out of prison up in Watertown and look what happened, he’s half the reason lil’andy used to ram the Unsafe act up our ass

 

[Elwood]

I went to high school with a guy a year ahead of me, named Alex Schezwenko (spelling of last name may be wrong) killed his mother, chopped her to pieces then sat on the lawn till the cops showed up. They deemed him mentally unfit to stand trial, sent him to an institution till lil’ Andy shut the institutions down. They then sent him to prison for a few years and then decided he was no longer a danger and released him. Last I heard he had worked at a supermarket in Poughkeepsie, anybody in the Hopewell area may remember the case. When he’s done with parole should he get to buy guns ?

 

[dsdmmat]

I went to high school with a guy a year ahead of me, named Alex Schezwenko (spelling of last name may be wrong) killed his mother, chopped her to pieces then sat on the lawn till the cops showed up. They deemed him mentally unfit to stand trial, sent him to an institution till lil’ Andy shut the institutions down. They then sent him to prison for a few years and then decided he was no longer a danger and released him. Last I heard he had worked at a supermarket in Poughkeepsie, anybody in the Hopewell area may remember the case. When he’s done with parole should he get to buy guns ?

an inalienable right is an inalienable right and all free men have the right to self defense. If he is not in a place where the state has assumed the responsibility for his safety (jail or mental institution) then yes he should have the right to own whatever arms he desires.

 

[Elwood]

an inalienable right is an inalienable right and all free men have the right to self defense. If he is not in a place where the state has assumed the responsibility for his safety (jail or mental institution) then yes he should have the right to own whatever arms he desires.

So your ok with the criminally insane owning firearms?

 

[Marine Cpl]

I went to high school with a guy a year ahead of me, named Alex Schezwenko (spelling of last name may be wrong) killed his mother, chopped her to pieces then sat on the lawn till the cops showed up. They deemed him mentally unfit to stand trial, sent him to an institution till lil’ Andy shut the institutions down. They then sent him to prison for a few years and then decided he was no longer a danger and released him. Last I heard he had worked at a supermarket in Poughkeepsie, anybody in the Hopewell area may remember the case. When he’s done with parole should he get to buy guns ?

Yes.

 

[Marine Cpl]

So your ok with the criminally insane owning firearms?

The criminally insane should be locked up.

 

[Elwood]

The criminally insane should be locked up.

Tell your governor

 

[Elwood]

Yes.

Cool, you do you boo boo, crazy shouldn’t be armed. That’s why we’re at where we’re at.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Tell your governor

He will not listen to me. But let’s get to the meat and potatoes of the OP.

Raise your hands. How many of you have ever gotten into a fight with anyone at any time of your life whether as a kid or young adult or recently that resulted in abrasions and or lacerations to someone’s face? Oh? I see lots of hands raised! You shouldn’t own guns.

But it wasn’t a domestic partner. That was different. It wasn’t a domestic partner you say? What difference does it matter who it was?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Cool, you do you boo boo, crazy shouldn’t be armed. That’s why we’re at where we’re at.

Boy. Talk about someone who says that they don’t take crap from the government by bending over for 2A violations . You sure seem to be for them.

Before the Brady Bill not too long ago when you could just walk into a hardware store and buy a .38 Special. It didn’t seem to be a problem then. Wonder what changed?

 

[Elwood]

Boy. Talk about someone who says that they don’t take crap from the government by bending over for 2A violations . You sure seem to be for them.

Before the Brady Bill not too long ago when you could just walk into a hardware store and buy a .38 Special. It didn’t seem to be a problem then. Wonder what changed?

Just admit you don’t like what I got to say, that’s fine you don’t have to but don’t expect me to kiss your ass while you pad your post count as you try to suck enough schlong to be the next forum mod, when that happens you can ban me

 

[spat]

I wouldn’t exactly say that, they let that nut william Spengler out of prison up in Watertown and look what happened, he’s half the reason lil’andy used to ram the Unsafe act up our ass

Just because they let some people out too soon doesn't justify restricting others rights.

Wasn't he already a prohibited person who couldn't legally possess any guns ?

You're proving my point. You can't let them out till you can trust them.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Just admit you don’t like what I got to say, that’s fine you don’t have to but don’t expect me to kiss your ass while you pad your post count as you try to suck enough schlong to be the next forum mod, when that happens you can ban me

Hey. I never quoted you in this thread before you came in. You came in because you believe in infringements.

 

[spat]

Tell your governor

He's at the top of the list.

 

[spat]

I went to high school with a guy a year ahead of me, named Alex Schezwenko (spelling of last name may be wrong) killed his mother, chopped her to pieces then sat on the lawn till the cops showed up. They deemed him mentally unfit to stand trial, sent him to an institution till lil’ Andy shut the institutions down. They then sent him to prison for a few years and then decided he was no longer a danger and released him. Last I heard he had worked at a supermarket in Poughkeepsie, anybody in the Hopewell area may remember the case. When he’s done with parole should he get to buy guns ?

Would you trust him with guns ?

No ? then why do you trust him walking around somewhere that illegal guns are as easy to acquire as illegal drugs ?

Telling some lunatic "pretty please, don't buy some guns" is not a reasonable policy. That's all the NICS system is. A pretty please.

It can never be any more effective at keeping guns out of the wrong hands than drug laws or underage drinking laws, i.e not at all.

 

[Elwood]

Hey. I never quoted you in this thread before you came in. You came in because you believe in infringements.

Can you cite that post ? Or you just pulling shit out of your ass again ?

 

[Elwood]

Just because they let some people out too soon doesn't justify restricting others rights.

Wasn't he already a prohibited person who couldn't legally possess any guns ?

You're proving my point. You can't let them out till you can trust them.

They never should have been released

 

[Marine Cpl]

Can you cite that post ?

Read above. I made my statement. It was a blanket one not referring to anyone specifically. You came in to defend why certain people should be infringed upon. I responded to those comments.

Look. I get that you don’t like me because I called you out on insulting someone who uses a compliant rifle in another thread when you yourself comply in many other ways. That sucks. You weren’t expecting that. You just wanted to bully the guy and it didn’t work out that way.

So let’s put all the childish stuff about post counts and aspiring moderator bs that isn’t even true aside. Let’s stick with the subject at hand of whether infringements for someone that got into a fight just like most people here who have also gotten into a fight once in their lives should happen.