Illinois seeks to "ban" semiautomatic weapons

[Rap]

Poorly written article, conflates ban with forced registration, among other inaccuracies and misrepresentations.

Ill. semiautomatic gun ban ready for Pritzker's signature

Illinois is on the verge of banning rapid-fire weapons amid a torrent of mass shootings and gun violence

www.krmg.com

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Is it wrong hoping that this bill gets passed just so it inevitably gets to SCOTUS and we can maybe finally get some sort of all encompassing inclusive ruling in our favor?

Or.... It leads to the 3rd box. Who knows?

 

[Rap]

Is it wrong hoping that this bill gets passed just so it inevitably gets to SCOTUS and we can maybe finally get some sort of all encompassing inclusive ruling in our favor?

Or.... It leads to the 3rd box. Who knows?

Rep. Blaine Wilhour has taken a strong stance, if the quote attributed to him in the article is accurate!

 

[Saltwater60]

Is it wrong hoping that this bill gets passed just so it inevitably gets to SCOTUS and we can maybe finally get some sort of all encompassing inclusive ruling in our favor?

Or.... It leads to the 3rd box. Who knows?

It will pass, it essentially already did pass.
They said they know it will get overturned so why bother excel to make us spend money.

 

[GOPerfect]

I am all for the safety of the American people. I would love to see a Country, that no matter where one was, in which safety was a given.

These laws, all of them do nothing to add to the safety of the American people.

Statistics do not lie. All these elected idiots need to do is look at the stats of shootings and killings in America.

Not too difficult to read. Not all that difficult to understand.

We as a Nation, we do not need more gun laws. There are more than enough of them.

We as a Nation need to look at these stats and realize that the overwhelming vast majority of these killings and shootings come form a smaller portion of the Country. Nearly all of the killings can be found in the larger cities across the lands.

Within these larger cities, the majority of shootings/killings come out of small pockets within the larger cities.

Put all resources into those areas and take out the trash. Eliminate the want of the Vermin to continue killing their fellow man.

We do not need more laws. We need to eradicate those that are doing the harm.


Here in the Buffalo area for example. Nearly all of the shootings and killings in our County occur in the City of Buffalo. Of the killings in Buffalo, the majority come out of the East side of the city. Nearly no shootings in the North Buffalo area. Go into the East side and eradicate the savages that are committing these crimes. Simple. This is true in nearly all major cities.

Almost no killings/shootings in the Burbs or the rural areas.

ever wonder why they just pass laws instead of really enforcing the current laws?

 

[Saltwater60]

I am all for the safety of the American people. I would love to see a Country, that no matter where one was, in which safety was a given.

These laws, all of them do nothing to add to the safety of the American people.

Statistics do not lie. All these elected idiots need to do is look at the stats of shootings and killings in America.

Not too difficult to read. Not all that difficult to understand.

We as a Nation, we do not need more gun laws. There are more than enough of them.

We as a Nation need to look at these stats and realize that the overwhelming vast majority of these killings and shootings come form a smaller portion of the Country. Nearly all of the killings can be found in the larger cities across the lands.

Within these larger cities, the majority of shootings/killings come out of small pockets within the larger cities.

Put all resources into those areas and take out the trash. Eliminate the want of the Vermin to continue killing their fellow man.

We do not need more laws. We need to eradicate those that are doing the harm.


Here in the Buffalo area for example. Nearly all of the shootings and killings in our County occur in the City of Buffalo. Of the killings in Buffalo, the majority come out of the East side of the city. Nearly no shootings in the North Buffalo area. Go into the East side and eradicate the savages that are committing these crimes. Simple. This is true in nearly all major cities.

Almost no killings/shootings in the Burbs or the rural areas.

ever wonder why they just pass laws instead of really enforcing the current laws?

Hochul even admitted this in the state of the union address paper on gun safety. They know it but rarely admit it because they don’t want to offend their voters. As we’ve all said it’s not about safety…

 

[Dr. Evil]

Hmmm... I'm starting to see a pattern here with blue states going after law abiding gun owners.

 

[spat]

Poorly written article, conflates ban with forced registration, among other inaccuracies and misrepresentations.

Ill. semiautomatic gun ban ready for Pritzker's signature

Illinois is on the verge of banning rapid-fire weapons amid a torrent of mass shootings and gun violence

www.krmg.com

Well, the only purpose for registration is to facilitate a ban later, so that's not all that far off.

 

[Justincase]

Is it wrong hoping that this bill gets passed just so it inevitably gets to SCOTUS and we can maybe finally get some sort of all encompassing inclusive ruling in our favor?

Or.... It leads to the 3rd box. Who knows?

By all encompassing ruling, you mean a generically worded ruling so governors can work around the language in your ruling three days after releasing it? Bruen SHOULD have worked in our favor, and may in the long run but it’s gonna be a long time until we see the benefits of it here in NY. I hope I’m wrong.

 

[Acer-m14]

if they only could ban murder with a piece of paper ..

 

[livingston]

Pritzker just signed the assault weapons ban. What happens now?​

 

[livingston]

 

[That_FNG]

Pritzker just signed the assault weapons ban. What happens now?​

Lawsuit printer goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[FP1201]

Poorly written article, conflates ban with forced registration, among other inaccuracies and misrepresentations.

Ill. semiautomatic gun ban ready for Pritzker's signature

Illinois is on the verge of banning rapid-fire weapons amid a torrent of mass shootings and gun violence

www.krmg.com

Considering the statement "Poorly written article, conflates ban with forced registration, among other inaccuracies and misrepresentations."
What makes that article any different than any other Media article?

 

[Rap]

Considering the statement "Poorly written article, conflates ban with forced registration, among other inaccuracies and misrepresentations."
What makes that article any different than any other Media article?

Still significant in what the press is choosing to write about, and the information they are disseminating. Not all details were incorrect, but the inaccuracies were slanted in favor of the grabbers.

 

[Saltwater60]

A few sheriffs say no we won’t enforce it.

Illinois sheriffs say they will not enforce law requiring gun owners to register ‘assault weapons’

ROCKFORD, Ill. (WTVO) — Sheriffs from Winnebago, Ogle, Stephenson, Lee, DeKalb, Boone and other counties across the state announced Wednesday that they will not enforce Illinois’ recently pas…

www.mystateline.com

 

[GOPerfect]

A few sheriffs say no we won’t enforce it.

Illinois sheriffs say they will not enforce law requiring gun owners to register ‘assault weapons’

ROCKFORD, Ill. (WTVO) — Sheriffs from Winnebago, Ogle, Stephenson, Lee, DeKalb, Boone and other counties across the state announced Wednesday that they will not enforce Illinois’ recently pas…

www.mystateline.com

They will in time, they all do. I remember when our former Sheriff said he would not have his Deputies enforce the SAFE Act laws; they did.

 

[Rap]

I am all for the safety of the American people. I would love to see a Country, that no matter where one was, in which safety was a given.

These laws, all of them do nothing to add to the safety of the American people.

Statistics do not lie. All these elected idiots need to do is look at the stats of shootings and killings in America.

Not too difficult to read. Not all that difficult to understand.

We as a Nation, we do not need more gun laws. There are more than enough of them.

We as a Nation need to look at these stats and realize that the overwhelming vast majority of these killings and shootings come form a smaller portion of the Country. Nearly all of the killings can be found in the larger cities across the lands.

Within these larger cities, the majority of shootings/killings come out of small pockets within the larger cities.

Put all resources into those areas and take out the trash. Eliminate the want of the Vermin to continue killing their fellow man.

We do not need more laws. We need to eradicate those that are doing the harm.


Here in the Buffalo area for example. Nearly all of the shootings and killings in our County occur in the City of Buffalo. Of the killings in Buffalo, the majority come out of the East side of the city. Nearly no shootings in the North Buffalo area. Go into the East side and eradicate the savages that are committing these crimes. Simple. This is true in nearly all major cities.

Almost no killings/shootings in the Burbs or the rural areas.

ever wonder why they just pass laws instead of really enforcing the current laws?

"Nearly all of the killings can be found in the larger cities across the lands.

Within these larger cities, the majority of shootings/killings come out of small pockets within the larger cities.

Here in the Buffalo area for example. Nearly all of the shootings and killings in our County occur in the City of Buffalo. Of the killings in Buffalo, the majority come out of the East side of the city. Nearly no shootings in the North Buffalo area. Go into the East side and eradicate the savages that are committing these crimes. Simple. This is true in nearly all major cities.

Almost no killings/shootings in the Burbs or the rural areas."

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Help me understand your point.

You are saying that the solution to murder is to go into each major city and "eradicate" the savages. Correct me if wrong.

How would that work? Have the (literal) same team of savages been roaming about from large city to city, ignoring the suburbs and committing all the murders that have been taking place (so that a simple one-time eradication would solve the problem forever)? Where did the savages live prior to taking up residence in the small pockets of large cities? Were these savages not murdering people prior to moving into the large cities? Why do they choose not to expand into the suburbs or countryside? Or, if each city has its own local group of murdering savages, what has led to their taking up such behavior? Is there some chemical being released into the air in these places like Buffalo's East side that is turning the residents there into savages? Who is releasing the chemical, if so? How do they stop it from floating into the safe suburbs?

Do say more.

 

[GOPerfect]

"Nearly all of the killings can be found in the larger cities across the lands.

Within these larger cities, the majority of shootings/killings come out of small pockets within the larger cities.

Here in the Buffalo area for example. Nearly all of the shootings and killings in our County occur in the City of Buffalo. Of the killings in Buffalo, the majority come out of the East side of the city. Nearly no shootings in the North Buffalo area. Go into the East side and eradicate the savages that are committing these crimes. Simple. This is true in nearly all major cities.

Almost no killings/shootings in the Burbs or the rural areas."

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Help me understand your point.

You are saying that the solution to murder is to go into each major city and "eradicate" the savages. Correct me if wrong.

How would that work? Have the (literal) same team of savages been roaming about from large city to city, ignoring the suburbs and committing all the murders that have been taking place (so that a simple one-time eradication would solve the problem forever)? Where did the savages live prior to taking up residence in the small pockets of large cities? Were these savages not murdering people prior to moving into the large cities? Why do they choose not to expand into the suburbs or countryside? Or, if each city has its own local group of murdering savages, what has led to their taking up such behavior? Is there some chemical being released into the air in these places like Buffalo's East side that is turning the residents there into savages? Who is releasing the chemical, if so? How do they stop it from floating into the safe suburbs?

Do say more.

Eradicate: eradicated; eradicating. : to remove by or as if by uprooting.

There are people that live among the rest of us in society, that refuse to obey basic rules and decorum. Societies laws are not all that difficult to follow. Running around shooting people is unacceptable. Running around these neighborhoods and these areas of the city performing ex violence against other people is not acceptable.

The overwhelming vast majority of Americans do not commit these horrible and heinous crimes against other people. It is a very small percentage of the 330 million Americans. Send in the police to the areas of high crime; send in the police in large masses and remove this cancer from the good parts of society.

Once these people are arrested and removed from the streets, offer them no plea deals, send them to prison and lock them in a cage for as long as the laws allow. Enough playing games, remove them and allow the good people to live the lives that they are entitled to live.

 

[GOPerfect]

"Nearly all of the killings can be found in the larger cities across the lands.

Within these larger cities, the majority of shootings/killings come out of small pockets within the larger cities.

Here in the Buffalo area for example. Nearly all of the shootings and killings in our County occur in the City of Buffalo. Of the killings in Buffalo, the majority come out of the East side of the city. Nearly no shootings in the North Buffalo area. Go into the East side and eradicate the savages that are committing these crimes. Simple. This is true in nearly all major cities.

Almost no killings/shootings in the Burbs or the rural areas."

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Help me understand your point.

You are saying that the solution to murder is to go into each major city and "eradicate" the savages. Correct me if wrong.

How would that work? Have the (literal) same team of savages been roaming about from large city to city, ignoring the suburbs and committing all the murders that have been taking place (so that a simple one-time eradication would solve the problem forever)? Where did the savages live prior to taking up residence in the small pockets of large cities? Were these savages not murdering people prior to moving into the large cities? Why do they choose not to expand into the suburbs or countryside? Or, if each city has its own local group of murdering savages, what has led to their taking up such behavior? Is there some chemical being released into the air in these places like Buffalo's East side that is turning the residents there into savages? Who is releasing the chemical, if so? How do they stop it from floating into the safe suburbs?

Do say more.

Your post almost makes no sense to me, I had to read it a few times. Do you not agree that the vast majority of murders in the US are done in the larger cities? Do you not agree that within these large cities, it is not all of the larger cities, but smaller pockets within these larger cities?

Statistics do not lie. The suburb of Buffalo that I live in, in 2022 there were four murders. One of those was a double shooting, the shooter was from the east side of Buffalo and one of the victims was from the east side of Buffalo.

In your post you talk about where did these people come from, I'm not sure if I understand that question most were born in the city and they've lived in the city their entire life. For some reason they have decided to choose a life of crime. This is unacceptable and a normal society. I don't understand why it is so hard to understand that the only way to end this stream violence is to go after, and go after hard this scumbags that are committing these crimes.

We do not need more laws we do not need more regulations, you need to eradicate and remove these people from society.

I will give you another example. During our blizzard, more than three dozen stores were looted in the Buffalo area. The people that did this looting are from those areas of the stores that were looted. We did not have looting in a suburbs or in the rural areas. It was not all of the people that live in the area it was a very small percentage. They decided that they cannot live within the laws and the rules of society and therefore should be removed, locked away in a small cage.

 

[Rap]

Why do you think crime is concentrated in the cities? What do you see as the reasons why ghettoes exist? What conditions characterize ghettoes?
I see your solution as focusing on symptoms instead of addressing the disease(s). The US already is a world leader in incarceration rates. We can't jail or even shoot our way out of this mess.

With that said, I also do not advocate more laws. And universal accountability needs to replace platitudes and empty legislation.

 

[dwa12479]

Why do you think crime is concentrated in the cities? What do you see as the reasons why ghettoes exist? What conditions characterize ghettoes?
I see your solution as focusing on symptoms instead of addressing the disease(s). The US already is a world leader in incarceration rates. We can't jail or even shoot our way out of this mess.

With that said, I also do not advocate more laws. And universal accountability needs to replace platitudes and empty legislation.

Treating symptoms along with the disease is necessary. Cancer patients receive chemo as a treatment for their disease, but there's also a lot of pain management along the way to treat the symptoms. Eventually you hope they emerge needing neither in the future.

Ill respond more to this thread later when I have more time. Its an interesting discussion.

 

[2WheelGnnr]

Holy crap.. I just got hit with a BRICK...the Brick I needed......I Like Go perfect see the pattern of it all happening in certain population area of citys and places. thats where all the violence happens...BUT I see now why they DONT go after those areas and really squash it...not cities themselves but certain pockets within the larger cities!!

Its basically their voting population!! so just create more laws to make is seem like doing somethign about the problem but really hitting the legal gun owners...who again their voters are probably not....and you win..keep your voters......and make "laws" to TRY and keep the damn place state......

but happens when all guns banned and only their voters have them...then they would have to do something...but again we will see how all this goes!!! they dont hit those areas hard as they dont want to hurt their reps or chances with their more poweful voters????

Man Go Perfect..finally the brick threw the brick I needed..it all makes alot more sense now!!!!

I get what your say GO...........I see the light...........

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Treating symptoms along with the disease is necessary. Cancer patients receive chemo as a treatment for their disease, but there's also a lot of pain management along the way to treat the symptoms. Eventually you hope they emerge needing neither in the future.

Ill respond more to this thread later when I have more time. Its an interesting discussion.

I could go on with my rambling opinions on how progressive liberalism, feminism, and the destruction of the traditional family unit have destroyed the most successful group evolved by civilized western humans and it's now replaced with a self replicating system of failure but I don't have the time to succinctly organize them.

Kids learn from their parents. Those kids pass down learned behaviors to their kids. Some families pass down successful traits and behaviors. Others don't have family support and structure and have a much harder time understanding how to be successful.

Liberalism has destroyed family units, diminished the role of men and fathers, created too many fatherless homes, locked up too many father's in jail, taught kids you don't need to work and have careers, they are now in a cycle with little self worth and little purpose and it just keeps repeating they are mad and frustrated but don't know who to be mad at etc

 

[GOPerfect]

Why do you think crime is concentrated in the cities? What do you see as the reasons why ghettoes exist? What conditions characterize ghettoes?
I see your solution as focusing on symptoms instead of addressing the disease(s). The US already is a world leader in incarceration rates. We can't jail or even shoot our way out of this mess.

With that said, I also do not advocate more laws. And universal accountability needs to replace platitudes and empty legislation.

I know that you are not advocating for more laws. For a couple of generations now, America has tried to correct many of the issues of the inner cities. Billions upon billions are spent in some of the poorest areas of our cities and nothing changes. I wish I was smarter and had more wisdom in order to assist in fixing what is wrong.

I talk to people form these areas all of the time and I try to get them to see the light to do better. To get out of the rut that their lives are in. Many of the incarcerated that I deal with, I do things to assist in them rising out of their current lives. I tell them about educational benefits, job opportunities and the like. I talk to many of them, all of the time. I do not know why so many decide to stay in the sewer of their lives.

I think much of it is a cultural thing. I have to wonder, why are graduation rates so much lower in the City than in the surrounding towns and villages? Why are the rates of single parents in the larger cities so much lower than the burbs and the rural areas? Why is unemployment so much lower? There are so many jobs in the area, so few want to work.

I believe in personal choices. Some people make good choices while others, they choose poorly, time after time. I have no idea how to mend that.

I do not know what more can be done to fix the issues. I do know, more laws will do nothing but piss of the law following Americans.

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[Saltwater60]

Why do you think crime is concentrated in the cities? What do you see as the reasons why ghettoes exist? What conditions characterize ghettoes?
I see your solution as focusing on symptoms instead of addressing the disease(s). The US already is a world leader in incarceration rates. We can't jail or even shoot our way out of this mess.

With that said, I also do not advocate more laws. And universal accountability needs to replace platitudes and empty legislation.

The stats are out there that nearly all the murders in the USA are committed in major cities.
As for not treating the disease people shooting people is the disease so arresting and punishing those doing the shooting is treating the disease.
Let me ask you this what do you propose? Ignore it? Allow it to happen? Offer them jobs, money? What’s the solution? The gang members and drug dealers can’t and won’t be swayed to do anything else in most cases because they make too much money doing this. If you want to talk about the disease shitty parents are the disease. There are many successful people that come out of major cities.
If your life sucks and you’re not going to care for a kid keep your damn legs closed or get free birth control from my tax dollars. There are many nearly fail proof birth control options out there that aren’t used. It’s hilarious how those that tax up so many resources and money have more rights than those that pay for their lives. It’s been a while but the last stat I heard is that 80% of my counties taxes go to welfare and over 50% of kids born are born on welfare. Every one in the USA has options. People in the city of Buffalo with little effort get free college. The disease can’t be treated if people don’t take the medicine.

 

[Saltwater60]

I know that you are not advocating for more laws. For a couple of generations now, America has tried to correct many of the issues of the inner cities. Billions upon billions are spent in some of the poorest areas of our cities and nothing changes. I wish I was smarter and had more wisdom in order to assist in fixing what is wrong.

I talk to people form these areas all of the time and I try to get them to see the light to do better. To get out of the rut that their lives are in. Many of the incarcerated that I deal with, I do things to assist in them rising out of their current lives. I tell them about educational benefits, job opportunities and the like. I talk to many of them, all of the time. I do not know why so many decide to stay in the sewer of their lives.

I think much of it is a cultural thing. I have to wonder, why are graduation rates so much lower in the City than in the surrounding towns and villages? Why are the rates of single parents in the larger cities so much lower than the burbs and the rural areas? Why is unemployment so much lower? There are so many jobs in the area, so few want to work.

I believe in personal choices. Some people make good choices while others, they choose poorly, time after time. I have no idea how to mend that.

I do not know what more can be done to fix the issues. I do know, more laws will do nothing but piss of the law following Americans.

I can tell you the gang member that lives across the street from me has been no issues at all and some people do get out as I’m sure you know. Also as I’m sure you know there is help and aide out there but if people don’t take the medicine to treat the disease they won’t get better.
I haven’t spoken to the guy across the street but he’s from africa I believe and I think he got wrapped up in a gang. He moved to the suburbs and is now presumed not to be in a gang. He’s caused no trouble here and after settling down the odd traffic has gone away. I wish him well and his kids seem very nice. I help them shovel out their driveway.
Bottom line to back up your point there are options for those that want it but most never take it. The money selling drugs is too good.

 

[spat]

Why do you think crime is concentrated in the cities? What do you see as the reasons why ghettoes exist? What conditions characterize ghettoes?
I see your solution as focusing on symptoms instead of addressing the disease(s). The US already is a world leader in incarceration rates. We can't jail or even shoot our way out of this mess.

With that said, I also do not advocate more laws. And universal accountability needs to replace platitudes and empty legislation.

The thing that makes a shitty neighborhood shitty is shitty residents.

The left thinks it's poverty, but it isn't. You can have a dirt poor community, if it's filled with decent people it will not be a shitty community.

In the 3rd world there are entire villiages without electricity or running water, and they are far better neighborhoods than some in our inner cities where everyone has a smartphone and air-conditioning.

There is a phenomenon where decent people do not want to live in a shitty neighborhood, so they leave at the first opportunity. Shitty people don't care, so the shittiness concentrates itself.

 

[GOPerfect]

The thing that makes a shitty neighborhood shitty is shitty residents.

The left thinks it's poverty, but it isn't. You can have a dirt poor community, if it's filled with decent people it will not be a shitty community.

In the 3rd world there are entire villiages without electricity or running water, and they are far better neighborhoods than some in our inner cities where everyone has a smartphone and air-conditioning.

There is a phenomenon where decent people do not want to live in a shitty neighborhood, so they leave at the first opportunity. Shitty people don't care, so the shittiness concentrates itself.

Yep shitty people indeed. Shitty people and shitty culture.