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[Airborneguy]

Had someone pose this question to me because of my domestic violence work but it is more of a hunting regs question.

The person is under an Order of Protection and cannot have guns for 1 year. They want to hunt. They don’t bow hunt. He wants to use a crossbow during gun season. The question is can someone with no bow license use a crossbow under his regular tag?

He’s afraid that if he reports a kill it will somehow link to the Order of Protection system that he carried a firearm while hunting.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Legally he can use a muzzle loader too right?

 

[S&W Fan]

Had someone pose this question to me because of my domestic violence work but it is more of a hunting regs question.

The person is under an Order of Protection and cannot have guns for 1 year. They want to hunt. They don’t bow hunt. He wants to use a crossbow during gun season. The question is can someone with no bow license use a crossbow under his regular tag?

He’s afraid that if he reports a kill it will somehow link to the Order of Protection system that he carried a firearm while hunting.

A crossbow is classified under the archery Regulations so he would have to have his archery stamp/license to hunt with the crossbow in the reg. Firearms season.

 

[HighlandLofts]

You are dealing with Prince Andrew's Republic of New Yorkistan, your under arrest. You can not use anything PERIOD!

 

[S&W Fan]

I am not a acrossbow hunter and therefore not up to speed on all the new regulations to which there seems to be many.
See here for details
Crossbow Hunting - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation

 

[Airborneguy]

Legally he can use a muzzle loader too right?

I think so, but couldn’t answer for sure so he doesn’t want to risk it. The problem is that if it was somehow found out, it would be handled down here with the issuing judge who more than likely is going to consider a muzzleloader a violation of the order.

 

[Airborneguy]

I am not a acrossbow hunter and therefore not up to speed on all the new regulations to which there seems to be many.
See here for details
Crossbow Hunting - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation

That page actually answered my question. No bowhunter safety or license required. Just complete the crossbow certification online. Perfect, thanks.

 

[Podmonkey]

This is why is rarely say more than two words to anybody IRL.
Granted those two words are often "Fuck" and "You".
That's prolly not helping.

 

[S&W Fan]

That page actually answered my question. No bowhunter safety or license required. Just complete the crossbow certification online. Perfect, thanks.

I skimmed through them enough to see that they changed the requirements quite a bit since they first allowed crossbows to be used by hunters other than the disabled.

 

[Acer-m14]

A crossbow is classified under the archery Regulations so he would have to have his archery stamp/license to hunt with the crossbow in the reg. Firearms season.

i don't think this is correct .. a crossbow is considered to be a firearm .. you need the muzzle loader tag to use it in early bow at a certain time ( last part of the seasion ) ..

I'm pretty sure the only thing he can hunt with is a bow in bow session .. when your use of a firearm is limited ..

penal law say one thing .. like BP guns are not firearms .. over the counter sale no nics
but DEC hunting can say another ..

Muzzleloading Firearm - is a firearm loaded through the muzzle, shooting a single projectile and having a minimum bore of .44 inch.

Crossbow Hunting - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation

License requirement:

• The new law essentially treats crossbows as a muzzleloader. Hunters must possess a muzzleloader hunting privilege to legally hunt with a crossbow during any muzzleloader season OR during open portions of the early bowhunting seasons. Muzzleloader privilege is not required when hunting with a crossbow during the early bear season or the regular firearms seasons.
• Bowhunting privilege is not required for use of a crossbow at any time

 

[SmallGameAddict]

i don't think this is correct .. a crossbow is considered to be a firearm .. you need the muzzle loader tag to use it in early bow at a certain time ( last part of the seasion ) ..

I'm pretty sure the only thing he can hunt with is a bow in bow session .. when your use of a firearm is limited ..

penal law say one thing .. like BP guns are not firearms .. over the counter sale no nics
but DEC hunting can say another ..

Muzzleloading Firearm - is a firearm loaded through the muzzle, shooting a single projectile and having a minimum bore of .44 inch.

Crossbow Hunting - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation

License requirement:

• The new law essentially treats crossbows as a muzzleloader. Hunters must possess a muzzleloader hunting privilege to legally hunt with a crossbow during any muzzleloader season OR during open portions of the early bowhunting seasons. Muzzleloader privilege is not required when hunting with a crossbow during the early bear season or the regular firearms seasons.
• Bowhunting privilege is not required for use of a crossbow at any time

Bottom line: because it has a trigger

 

[Airborneguy]

For the purpose of an order of protection, a crossbow would not be considered a firearm, even if the DEC did have regs which treated it as such.

 

[Robin]

Legally he can use a muzzle loader too right?

I'm pretty sure he can, at least one guy that I know of, that was a convicted felon, did . The feds don't recognize them as firearms, that is my 'understanding'.
Robin

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Semi-complicated, but I'll try to be brief. NYS penal law basically defines a firearm as a concealable weapon. NY Hunting and Trapping Regs bookl7et for 2017-2018, page 16...Definitions...."Firearms-all guns, including handguns, rifles, shotguns, muzzleloaders and BB and pellet guns". Does not specifically mention crossbows BUT, if I was him, I'd contact an attorney before the fact, and find out for sure. Better than getting your tit stuck in a wringer finding out a day late and a dollar short. Just my two cents.

 

[Airborneguy]

When under an order of protection in NY, one cannot handle any guns, which in my opinion would include muzzeloaders.

Remember this isn’t about defining in the penal law what constitutes a “rifle”, “shotgun”, “handgun”, “firearm”, or “assault rifle”.

When a judge says “firearms” in this context, they mean guns, period.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

When under an order of protection in NY, one cannot handle any guns, which in my opinion would include muzzeloaders.

Remember this isn’t about defining in the penal law what constitutes a “rifle”, “shotgun”, “handgun”, “firearm”, or “assault rifle”.

When a judge says “firearms” in this context, they mean guns, period.

Yeh, NY penal law definition of firearm, NYS DEC definition of firearm....gets confusing. Of course the DEC regs only applicable if you are engaged in hunting, trapping, etc. Believe me, if a judge told me 'no firearms', I'd get the message loud and clear.

 

[Bushmaster]

Legally he can use a muzzle loader too right?

He could get away buying one, but NO he can't use it or be with one in possession.. Unless before built before 1898, Bow only hunt... Unless those rights been taken also.

 

[Airborneguy]

No guns, period. No parsing of words or definitions here. We all know what a gun is. Unfortunately, no guns at all if under an OOP.

 

[Marine Cpl]

What about that Franklin Armory keyhole piece of shit that isn't a rifle or shotgun, or a pistol?

 

[Bushmaster]

No guns, period. No parsing of words or definitions here. We all know what a gun is. Unfortunately, no guns at all if under an OOP.

Correct !!! What I'm saying is.... there is NO check on him buying a muzzle loader at Wally World. He can walk out that store with one, BUT not legal. He can legally hunt with a bow if those rights are not taken !!! The Muzzle loader he bought at Wally World is not legal even though he WAS ABLE TO BUY IT FREE CLEAR. !!! with NO CHECK !!!

 

[SmallGameAddict]

No guns, period. No parsing of words or definitions here. We all know what a gun is. Unfortunately, no guns at all if under an OOP.

Sorry about the definitions on my earlier post. I get sidetracked sometimes reading all the replies, and was just trying to be helpful. You already know that a person can hunt during a portion of bowhunting, regular season, and muzzleloader big game seasons with a crossbow as long as you sign the card and have it with you. They do ask when you report your harvest, either by phone or online, which weapon was used when deer was harvested. I guess the real question is, can he be in legal possession of a crossbow if he has an OOP against him.

 

[Bushmaster]

A felon can use a bow to hunt if rights are not taken.

 

[Bushmaster]

What about that Franklin Armory keyhole piece of shit that isn't a rifle or shotgun, or a pistol?

Can Felons Legally Own Muzzle Loading Guns?

 

[SmallGameAddict]

For the purpose of an order of protection, a crossbow would not be considered a firearm, even if the DEC did have regs which treated it as such.

And...since I just read this post, all questions are answered.

 

[Airborneguy]

My question was regarding the DEC regs on crossbows during the regular season, not so much about the crosbow being a firearm. It’s definitely confusing though and I probably didn’t explain it well enough.

I knew the person could possess a crossbow, but since I don’t hunt with them, I wasn’t sure of the procedure for a non-bowhunter to use a crossbow.

In the end, he risked it on private land and carried a rifle. Didn’t get anything so the issue of reporting never came up.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Thanks for the update. Good bit of info to know, about crossbows and OOP, if I'm ever in that position, and hopefully never am. He had some balls. If he had been caught, I doubt the judge would have been amused.