Intro and question...

[XtremeAccuracy]

Hello NY!..

I was a regular at dodge city (Calverton) since I was 19. By 21 had an FFL that I let go when I moved to another town on LI...
Did a little high power, but got hooked into Benchrest.... Competed in the IBS, been to the Supershoot twice, had fun on the brookhaven winter league for a few years.... Anyone who ever shot BR for competition knows its 90% work, 5% stress and 5% fun.. Burned my self out, started 3-D archery and had fun again... Than kids came, the house and a wife. Not in that order but, you get the idea...

Now, well past my mid life crises (lol) decided to knock a few things out of my bucket list.
Plan on an AR-15 off an 80% and (imagine Forrest gump voice) see the world up and changed in a real big hurry.

This stupid as hell safe act crap....
Fixed magazine... I get it.
The libtards don't understand its the lunatic that's the problem, and they don't want him to be able to easily and quickly reload (like he is gonna give a single s*/#t what they want, ever, as if killing people wasn't already illegal) but I digress ...

For me, I want silly crazy good accuracy. Slow and purposeful target type shooting. 10 in slow-fire is fine for me. The time it takes to reload, is also ok to me.
Give me time to reflect on my posture and evaluate what Im doing right and wrong...

What I hate is being forced to choose a magazine, pin it and hope feeds well and also hope it never has to be replaced.
May be im wrong, but I don't believe magazines were initially designed to last as long as any other part.

Now the question(s)...
When a magazine is pinned, satisfying the law, can the pins be drifted out with a punch so may be a new magazine could be used?

If a lower, magazine or both were designed so the magazine could be removed only after the upper was removed or completely swung out of the way, say through the top, would this violate the intent of the law ?

 

[Calculon]

Welcome. You’re talking about a gray area as the law doesn’t discuss the specific circumstances you describe. Any reasonable person would understand that, if your rifle was disassembled (upper removed from lower) and you used tools to remove and replace the magazine before reassembling, you would be ok. But alas we live in NY.

If you’re planning to shoot benchrest only than you can consider a featureless setup as you may not need some of the banned features (break/comp, pistol grip, etc).

On the other hand if you’re looking for “crazy” accuracy and reload time isn’t an issue than the AR platform may not be your best solution

 

[togmaster]

Welcome. Dodge city was fun when you are young and dumb. As long as you make a reasonable attempt to fix the magazine you are GTG. There are lots of options discussed on this site. Look them up and make your decision.

 

[XtremeAccuracy]

The break defiantly helps with muzzle flash, so wanted at least a comp.,
Was surprised how much muzzle flash there is w/o one...
Not sure on stock yet, and I believe its a two or more thing deal....
If I can find a fixed stock that I like it will get me closer, but most target type are adjustable in some fashon, and all I need is a dimwit calling me out on it...
And crazy accurate as far as a semi AR-15 can be. I dont expect 6PPC type of accuracy, or need it.
I simply want something more accurate than me. If It can do moa on the bench, than the best I could expect off hand would be that.
I have been hearing for years how accurate they can be, so am taking the plunge to find out...

But curious, on anther type of semi rifle that is inherrently more accurate ?

 

[meketrefe]

Hi and welcome. Thats quite an intro.
Dont need to pin anything to have a match winning rifle if you want. Simply use a safe bs compliant lower/stock and you have the full functionality of the gas gun.
The throsten stock is actually more convenient to shoot prone due to the neck angle and to fit it just use regular raisers and back pads of different sizes.
You will not be missing anything. Pinning a magazine in an autoloader is a pretty stupid idea as it cripples the main characteristic of the firearm. If one has a top loading option via strip that would be different but with an AR is silly.

 

[innkeeper]

Check out mean arms

MEAN ARMS

www.meanarms.com

 

[fnfalguy]

For a bench gun, or any other, I'd stick with detachable mags and go featureless with trigger guard and spur grip from Nytriggerguards.com
I personally prefer the extended trigger guard with the spur as it feels closest to a comfortable setup.
Most of the longer custom barrels will be nekkid crowned muzzle or if it has a thread, opt for a thread protector.

Solo mi dos centavos.

 

[Mosinitis]

Calverton public range was called Fort Apache when I shot there. When and where did you shoot highpower on Long Island. Peconic? Roslyn? We might know each other.

 

[Robin]

Those compensators are effing loud!!!!!!!!! I put on a 'flash can'

Kak Industry Flash Can - $19.95 EACH!

KAK Industry Flash Can in EVERY thread pattern! 1/2x28 full size, 1/2x28 slimline, 5/8x24 full size, 5/8x24 slimline, 1/2x36 full size, 1/2x36 slimline kak industry flash cans

www.blundergat.com

Similar to that but much more expensive. Almost all the noise goes down range, heck, I even forgot to put on my ear protection and touched one off, no ear ringing, no waiting for my hearing to return. They work.
Robin

 

[Exonautic]

Hey man, fellow lawn guylander. Go talk to the guys at 782 guns in Bohemia. I'm not much of an accuracy nut when it comes to my ars. 2 moa is good enough for me for the types of matches I shoot. They can get you hooked up and give you all the info you're looking for. Precision guns is their game.

 

[Kirk_STNY]

Hey, I need advice from Extreme Accuracy.

First welcome to the forum!

I'm interested in competition .22 shooting. Looking to get a better rifle. We shoot standing up. Not bench. Any recommendations. What about an Anschutz 1761. Supposed to be accurate and relatively inexpensive.

 

[meketrefe]

Those compensators are effing loud!!!!!!!!! I put on a 'flash can'

Kak Industry Flash Can - $19.95 EACH!

KAK Industry Flash Can in EVERY thread pattern! 1/2x28 full size, 1/2x28 slimline, 5/8x24 full size, 5/8x24 slimline, 1/2x36 full size, 1/2x36 slimline kak industry flash cans

www.blundergat.com

Similar to that but much more expensive. Almost all the noise goes down range, heck, I even forgot to put on my ear protection and touched one off, no ear ringing, no waiting for my hearing to return. They work.
Robin

Krinkov style buffle are pretty useless and not needed for a 223, 68, Grendel, etc... anyway.

 

[Exonautic]

My two cents as far as compliance goes. If you plan to shoot anywhere other than NY than make your compliance choice something that's easily reversable otherwise you will not have a good time shooting anywhere else. All that epoxy bullshit is unnecessary

 

[Marine Cpl]

The libtards don't understand its the lunatic that's the problem, and they don't want him to be able to easily and quickly reload (like he is gonna give a single s*/#t what they want, ever, as if killing people wasn't already illegal) but I digress ...

It wasn’t their intentions for you to pin the magazine. That was a workaround that was thought up after reading the law to still have an AR. Their intention was to ban AR’a fully.

With that said, as Meketrefe explained, featureless with a Thordsen is the way to go. It’s not pretty but you can use the rifle as intended, clear malfunctions, and still have a good purchase on the rifle. It’s even combat ready with a Thordsen.

I get however why one would not want to use a Thordsen. They are ugly and a constant reminder of oppression and the reason why I dumped the AR entirely.

 

[Robin]

Krinkov style buffle are pretty useless and not needed for a 223, 68, Grendel, etc... anyway.

I have no idea what you are talking about. This is a simple cylinder that directs noise, pressure wave, and flash down range. Simple apparatus that makes a huge difference, especially when compared to compensators.
Robin

 

[subsonic]

It is a "gray" area and there are good answers above, but the SAFE act only applies to operable firearms. A firearm can be legally considered operable if it is disassembled and all of the parts are available to assemble an operable firearm. Taking down an AR-15 with a pinned mag to replace the magazine is no different from building it in the first place if you had both a mag lock and a LPK that included a standard mag release.

Honestly if you don't get raided in the exact moment while you're replacing the magazine it's a nonissue and shouldn't concern you any more than owning a fixed-mag AR in the first place. It's not like the AG of NY has come out and given his official blessing to these guns in the first place. Either you are comfortable with them or not. There are thousands and thousands of them in this state, there are many FFL's that build and transfer them. If globbing epoxy or locktite on your gun makes you feel better about yourself that's your business. It's all up to you. Personally I hate fixed mags. But I've got one lower in that configuration for looks just because.

Here's another point, the further you are from NYC the less of an problem anyone has with their stupid hangups, to a large extent.

 

[XtremeAccuracy]

Thanks to all for the input, like I said so much has changed I really appreciate the info....

 

[nortatoga]

Thanks to all for the input, like I said so much has changed I really appreciate the info....

ARES/ FIGHTLITE SCR except they seem to be only available with wood stocks and handguard.

 

[@thewheels]

After trying a spur and a Patrick Henry trigger guard, I found there's just not enough real estate for me to get a consistent and comfortable grip.
I'm going with a Thordsen for my next lower.