Next year if I do well during bow season, I plan to bring the Camp 9 out at least once.
Is Camo Necessary for Deer Hunting
- Thread starter Marine Cpl
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Next year if I do well during bow season, I plan to bring the Camp 9 out at least once.
For what deer? That better be a perfect shot with 9mm.
I’m a one shot, one kill sort of guy.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Since I got the info I wanted, I think a derailment is in order.
9mm. Why wouldn't it be adequate on a deer assuming you are within 50 yards or so and aim for vitals? Many a deer have been taken with .357 Magnum Hard Cast Flat Points. Why Not a 9mm Hard Cast Flat Point that'll go through both sides just like a .357 Magnum will?
9mm. Why wouldn't it be adequate on a deer assuming you are within 50 yards or so and aim for vitals? Many a deer have been taken with .357 Magnum Hard Cast Flat Points. Why Not a 9mm Hard Cast Flat Point that'll go through both sides just like a .357 Magnum will?
Aren't you special.
Same caliber more or less but the 357 is a heavier bullet. Also higher velocity.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
But they both go right through both sides with a Hard Cast so what would the extra weight and 200 or so fps more with a .357 make as far as a difference goes?
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What really matters when comparing the rounds is the energy produced by each round. When you do the math, the 9mm gives you 336 foot pounds of kinetic energy with a 124 grain bullet. You get 326 foot pounds for the 147 grain bullet. On the other hand, the .357 gives you 506 foot pounds at 124 grain and 490 foot pounds for the 147 grain. This is a huge difference considering the bullets are the same size.
Aren't you the guy that talks about barriers? Perfect shot no difference hit a shoulder bone or rib there is a big difference. 357 is marginal at best. 9 mm is under powered.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Right but what do those Hard Cast bullets do with all those foot pounds? They both go straight through.
It's like if I use a .380 FMJ on your chest and then use a 9mm FMJ on you chest. Both rounds will go through and both will make the same diameter hole. The extra weight, length, and foot pounds of the 9mm isn't going to make you more dead than the .380. With a hollow point, the hole would be bigger since it has more to work with to expand but with a solid hard cast which is the preferred hunting round for a .357 revolver, it goes straight through with the same diameter.
It's like if I use a .380 FMJ on your chest and then use a 9mm FMJ on you chest. Both rounds will go through and both will make the same diameter hole. The extra weight, length, and foot pounds of the 9mm isn't going to make you more dead than the .380. With a hollow point, the hole would be bigger since it has more to work with to expand but with a solid hard cast which is the preferred hunting round for a .357 revolver, it goes straight through with the same diameter.
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More kenetic energy produces more shock to the system.It isn’t just about “making holes.” Actually, when I hunt with a .357 and it isn’t often any more (I favor the .44 myself) I use a SJSP
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
A 147 gr Hard Cast has over 40 inches of penetration in gel. It took down a grizzly in Alaska. Granted it was a few shots but the penetration was there. We are talking about thin skinned deer here being shot through the side.
I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass but this is a good topic that people always talk about and then you see tons of deer harvested online with 9mm pistols.
. From a 16 inch barrel, the speed is the same as a .357 Magnum revolver.
Just saying.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So then what about a hollow point from a 16 inch barrel going at 1500 fps compared to 1100 fps. It's about the same speed as a .357.
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Speed if fine, it just isn’t the only factor. I’m not saying you can’t kill a deer with A 9mm rifle. I’m saying you have a better advantage killing a deer with a caliber that produces more kenetic energy.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I get that. A rifle is better than a .357 Magnum but it's done every year with a .357 at close range.
I'm not saying I would take a 100 yard shot. I'd use the carbine at handgun distances.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
how many deer were taken wearing this ...
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
All this is well and good, but first you have to find a deer to take a shot at....Thread derailed AGAIN!!!
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
Right ammo and proper sighting along with practice should equal dead deer ! 
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That phrase gets repeated over and over. Have you seen all the deer taken with 9mm handguns online? Were those inhumane ways to kill them. Users report one shot with proper placement. Is it inhumane to use a .357?
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
was my Mosin Deer over kill .... keep arguing humane and inhumane we should all join PETA .. as long as you recover your game .. its humane i say ... i shot , it ran and died , and now its in the freezer ...
can't wait till i bag a yote and cook one up and try it .. O.O ..
can't wait till i bag a yote and cook one up and try it .. O.O ..
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
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Read my previous post. 357 is a marginal caliber.
Not saying you can't hunt with any caliber. Just saying be prepared to recover your prey. If you are in shape and capable of tracking an animal that is wounded go for it. Most will give up after a few hundred yards and let the animal go to waste.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yet it takes deer every year. Anyway, I'm glad we are talking this and not Cuomo BS.
FUAC
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
At this point I'd rather talk about BB guns taking rats than another recertification thread.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
thats not a issue with gun cal choice .. thats the hunters caliber .. fkin lazy ..
Got a new scope for my airgun today.