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Is there any reason NOT to get a 40 S&W? Any guns to avoid?
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Jaywmustang
.308 Win
U try gander?
Jaywmustang
.308 Win
Is the GP comparable to the 610?
If it was not for a work need, I would not own the 40. (mm or 45ACP is all I want or need.
The single best reason not to get a .40S&W is... it's a .40S&W.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
BOOOOOOOOOOO
Uhg I wish I wasnt on my way into work so I could get real up in here.
On a short overview.
Reasons not to buy
1) the caliber is absolutely pointless, unless you are buying/building a gammer gun
2) it's a dying caliber, it's on its last hoorah
Look at all new gens of guns or even new models being brought to market in the last 5 years, almost nothing in .40 (.45acp will survive because this is the U.S.A and boomers love their old shit and fake idea of "knock down power" but also has a place with suppressors)
"Guns to avoid?"
1) any chambered in .40s&w
2) see 1
On a short overview.
Reasons not to buy
1) the caliber is absolutely pointless, unless you are buying/building a gammer gun
2) it's a dying caliber, it's on its last hoorah
Look at all new gens of guns or even new models being brought to market in the last 5 years, almost nothing in .40 (.45acp will survive because this is the U.S.A and boomers love their old shit and fake idea of "knock down power" but also has a place with suppressors)
"Guns to avoid?"
1) any chambered in .40s&w
2) see 1
Fixed it for you
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Well good thing you can convert it to three other calibers.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Did 9mm become a dying caliber because LEO moved away from it for the 40? No it didn't. Now they are going back to the 9mm. 40 isn't dying. What does that even mean? Dying. Dying as in 22 WRF? I don't think so. You can still get 22 WRF even though no one makes guns in that caliber now. I'm not riding this caliber fad BS.
Hahahhahahaha hahhaha.
When Leo's went away from the 9mm, gun manufacturers were still making/coming out with new guns in 9mm, I legit cant seem to find any major new. 40 release in the last 2 or 3 years and no prospective ones coming up.
Let's see glock 22/23/27 gen 5 oh wait nope, MOS nope.. glock G44 babe .40sw oh wait nope that's not a thing or any indication it will be
Not a glock fan.... S&W hmmm I think maybe the shield came out the first year in .40, how many 2.0 are being released in .40? Yeah I dont see any
New Cz P-10c one of the hottest guns over the last 15 months, oh they did just tease a full size and sub compact. Weird but none of it in .40 just 9mm and never see their other stuff that used to also be in .40 really on the shelf in .40
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Typical.
oops, Best .40 Pistols to Own in 2018 - [Top 10] Reviews & Buyer's Guide seems there are still plenty of guns in 40. and just because there aren't "new models" reinventing the wheel in your chosen caliber doesn't mean the caliber is dead. sales figures on ammo purchases would be a better indicator of that.
No that just means companies still have the tooling and are keeping those offerings because they know boomers and fudds will still buy the .40 because they cant do any actual research past internet myths about "best of both worlds" because most of them cant even restart their router if the internet goes out
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Here is a good article that explains how it's not that 40s&w is bad or going away, its just that 9mm has gotten a lot better (which I agree with, it has). Keefe Report: Seriously, Is the .40 S&W Dead?
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
No, it just means the round isn't dead. Thanks for calling me a Boomer and a Fudd. You are Wrong on both counts.
The 9mm getting better is what is killing the .40
Only reason 40 got popular was because small desk jockeys at the FBI couldn't shoot the new 10mm and then unlike sig, S&W did awesome marketing to law enforcement agencies, which its easy to find out the one who makes equipment policy are people who generally have no fucking clue what they are doing and got sold some bull shit snake oil about "oh man we all know you love your soul killing. 45acp, this thing is like that but it has the capacity of a 9mm" and so sadly some old ass desk guy was like yea let's move over to that
Only reason 40 got popular was because small desk jockeys at the FBI couldn't shoot the new 10mm and then unlike sig, S&W did awesome marketing to law enforcement agencies, which its easy to find out the one who makes equipment policy are people who generally have no fucking clue what they are doing and got sold some bull shit snake oil about "oh man we all know you love your soul killing. 45acp, this thing is like that but it has the capacity of a 9mm" and so sadly some old ass desk guy was like yea let's move over to that
Now you sound extra fuddy
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Lol, I am haha. All I'm saying is 40 will be around for a long while. I know it's gone out of favor with LEO Etc. but it still has a following and I don't consider it dead by any means. in fact when SHTF, it may be one of the only rounds left on the shelf.
Fucking .38super has been around for a long time, doesnt make it all that relative of a round
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Granted. Relative is relative though.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
@ArmedCorgi , it's a dying caliber because tests have proven that 9mm expands and penetrates to the same levels. The additional recoil impulse and cost isn't worth it.
Sure new guns still come out in .40 but some manufacturers don't even bother to make models in it.
Sure new guns still come out in .40 but some manufacturers don't even bother to make models in it.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Exactly. Except for the energy part. That's myth.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I'm not denying that 9mm has surpassed 40 s&w, I'm just saying it's not disappearing anytime soon. If someone wants to get a 40s&w handgun, let them. What is the harm especially when in most cases you can easily and cheaply convert the handgun to another caliber. That's why I bought my G23, for the versatility, not because I thought 40s&w was the end all be all.
To the OP if you think you want a 40 S&W get one. Nothing wrong with it, some guys are emotional attached to 'their' caliber and feel everyone else should see the world the same way they do.
Compared to 9mm the ammo is more expensive and there is more recoil, but it is typically a bigger heavier bullet moving at a higher velocity. Yes, it will wear a pistol out faster. None of this should be a surprise since it is a more powerful caliber.
Compared to 9mm the ammo is more expensive and there is more recoil, but it is typically a bigger heavier bullet moving at a higher velocity. Yes, it will wear a pistol out faster. None of this should be a surprise since it is a more powerful caliber.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No emotion. Just facts. Yes it's heavier by about 30 grains from it's heavier points in both calibers. But no it's not moving at a higher velocity. They go at about the same velocity. So whether the weight alone makes it more powerful, it depends when both the 9mm and the .40 expand and penetrate to about the same depth with inches and millimeters of one another.
As far as if the OP should get one? Why not? It's his money. He should buy whatever he wants. But we can tell him the facts too in case his decision was based on the thought that it was more powerful to make a difference.
It is more powerful any way you cut it. The fastest 147 grain 9s just crack 1000 fps and many 155 grain and heavier are well over that and sone are over 1100 fps.
The OP is asking about buying a new pistol, and you are trashing the caliber, without even knowing what the intended purpose is. He at no point said he was using it for carry or defense and you keep carrying on with your "facts" that have no relevance here.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Oh but they do. Facts are facts. They both behave the same in a body. But like I said earlier, he, you, or I can buy whatever we want so what's the beef?
Pretty sure I said in my original post on here that the only use for .40 is a gamer gun, due to the mythical major power factor being easier to make with 40 (which ok on steal or paper is a thing but not on a person)
Other than that yes trashing the dying caliber is valid especially when the TITLE TO THE THREAD IS
"IS THERE ANY REASON NOT TO GET A 40 S&W"
So sorry for us listing reasons NOT to like the OP wanted, I mean its literally what he asked.
Not to mention depending on what gun he might want, I'm sure he can get it in 9mm but might not be able 69 get it in .40....... why? Because manufacturers are not wasting their time or money on it
Other than that yes trashing the dying caliber is valid especially when the TITLE TO THE THREAD IS
"IS THERE ANY REASON NOT TO GET A 40 S&W"
So sorry for us listing reasons NOT to like the OP wanted, I mean its literally what he asked.
Not to mention depending on what gun he might want, I'm sure he can get it in 9mm but might not be able 69 get it in .40....... why? Because manufacturers are not wasting their time or money on it
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
@PbTarget here is a good article that talks about a lot of the things that @Edwardteach72 and @Willjr75 are mentioning here. It also talks about the things I mention and the reason I decided to get a G23 over the G19. Is the 40 S&W Dead? - Omaha Outdoors