Dr. Evil
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Israel: 'State of war' declared after thousands of rockets fired from Gaza Strip
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holdover
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Thats a basic generalization , If say Isreal hasnt shown any proof , He says he will take their word over hamas which means nothing , BUt then says all sides lie . He hasnt acknowledged the fact that they could be lying , We really dont know .
none the less , both sides lie, and I question the facts , and consider the possibilities . the possibilities are they hate each other with a passion and would justify a lot of things to bring pain to their enemy's. So in my eyes , they could have easily done it out of spite as well as an actual target , I cant determine what happened from the information I have.
holdover
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Hamas alone poses no danger to the survival of the state. Its impossible . but they are a threat. well we dont have to worry about a passive Israel. They are armed to the teeth and not afraid to use force. I dont think thier military will begin allowing transgenders in anytime soon.
spat
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You have a truly impressive ability to create straw men.
I made none of those statements.
All I claimed is that Isreal are the good guys in this conflict, not that they are without fault.
I have said nothing about genocide. Hamas is a terrorist group, not a race of people.
Exterminating them isn't any more genocide than the elimination of the NAZIs was.
You literally know *nothing* about anything going on in the middle east that you haven't trusted someone about.
Unless you are *in* Gaza, you have to trust someone's report about what's going on.
I don't trust anyone 100%, but I'll usually give Isreal the benefit of the doubt, and I'd double check Hamas if they said today was Thursday.
Dr. Evil
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Taking Israel at their word is relative to Hamas and what they say and do. Relative to what you know about me you took me at my word that the police investigated me last year because of a sarcastic comment made on here. You have no proof other than your experience dealing with me on here over the years. No different with Israel and Hamas.
The difference is though Israel might hate Hamas but that is because of Hamas's mission to exterminate Israel and Jewish people. I tend to doubt Israel would be the aggressor if Hamas left them alone to live their lives. Hamas on the other hand funnels their hatred into torture and death. Big difference there.
spat
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That is Hamas's stated goal.
Whether they can achieve it is irrelevant. They have publicly claimed that is the only result they will accept.
They were offered their own sovereign state in 2005. They rejected outright it because they would have had to stop their attempted genocide.
holdover
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If Hezbollah joins the fight , they wont get very far . Attacking a fortified position against a dug in enemy without having air cover is a recipe for certain disaster. Ukraine attempted the same in their last offensive and paid a heavy price . and We all know those carriers arnt there to enjoy the sun . The US will absolutely pummel them with B52s strikes . it wont be pretty.
Dr. Evil
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If someone threatens you and your family how the hell don't they pose a danger to your survival? Please don't suck me into your vortex lol. It's late and I don't have time to unravel your logic.
spat
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Hamas has stated unequivocally that they will keep killing Isrealis as long as there are any in the mid east.
On top of that, they have killed, and continue to keep killing Isrealis. How is that "no danger".
How can Isreal "peacefully co-exist" with that ?
If people are constantly trying to kill you, it doesn't matter if they aren't likely to succeed. You can't take the chance they might get lucky.
spat
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Won't that be a war crime if the Hezbollah fighters have some civilian hookers in the trenches with them ?
holdover
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they have the ability to conduct terrorist attacks , thats a danger to the people , but its not a danger to the state. hamas or somebody else poses a danger to the US , they have the ability to conduct terror attacks on US soil . they do not have the ability to take over the US .
enter my vortex .
holdover
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It may violate Shria law.
Dr. Evil
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The people ARE the state. At some point you have no people left to put up a fight and you can just waltz in. I can't believe I even have to break it down to this point. Exiting vortex.
spat
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What makes you think you are *entitled* to any evidence from Isreal about this ?
They're going to do what they need to do, and they're going to give no fucks about what your opinion on it is.
Whether something is a war crime or not depends on what the Isrealis knew at the time. Not what @holdover hears about it in the news.
Bigfoot
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spat
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Nah, they're all temporary wives...
Dr. Evil
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Well, I've had enough fun for one night. Later gents.
holdover
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Come on man. you act as if hundreds of people are being killed everyday . Isreali defense forces do a pretty good job protecting its people. theres no chance in hell Hamas can wipe out isreal . none . in what scenario do you see them defeating the Isreali army? they have no armor, no airforce No navy , and are out numbered.And the US to back them up Please. Look at them right now , they almost surrounded, cut off from food and water and supplies.
holdover
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good night Doc, hope I didnt piss you off to much
spat
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Isreal is entitled to payback, but I don't think they are seeking it generally.
If they could wave a want and move all the Palestinians to a parallel universe where they can have their own whole planet to themselves I think they'd do it.
Honestly, if they had that power they'd probably be better off moving themselves to the parallel universe though.
Would be nice if they took some of us with them.
spat
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Willyone
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What?!? They gave up goats?
holdover
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If they cant demonstrate the proof , then dont cry about people condemning their actions . I have every right to question what Im told . I dont give a fuck what their opinions are either. . whether something is a war crime depends on the law.
holdover
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holdover
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no they dont. where are you getting this shit from ? Show me a picture of the airforces of hamas or the hamas navy.
para gliders and zodiac rafts dont count
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holdover
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No.
spat
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No, it depends on the facts.
None of which you know without trusting *someone*, since you aren't there.
spat
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Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis are literally on the Iranian payroll.
As much as the Mujahideen were on the US payroll in the 80s.
Everybody knows this,
spat
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Iran deploys 2 warships to Gulf of Aden
A government spokesman also said that oil from an Iranian tanker pursued by the U.S. has been sold to an unnamed buyer.
www.navytimes.com
Iranian navy.
holdover
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no.Iran deploys 2 warships to Gulf of Aden
A government spokesman also said that oil from an Iranian tanker pursued by the U.S. has been sold to an unnamed buyer.
Iranian navy.