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[Marine Cpl]

Sorry ,That's not an ally by any standard. Even the Japanese sent a token force , They could have at least send medical personnel or supply personnel something. From What Im told ,they are the best troops in the world ! and they didn't send a card.

What the hell does the Vietnamese refugees have to do with bleeding next to our guys?
Weve taken in Syrian and Iraqi refugees after we bombed them , so what? Your bias towards Israel is obvious.

Just how does the US benefit from being military Allies with them? We pay for their military and they wont fight with our guys , Nice deal that is . and until last year We never even had a base in Israel, until they needed more air defence and The put an air defense base there , on our dime of course. But I don't see any benefit from it.

Once Israel sends troops or tokens, it becomes a holy war and they open themselves to attack. And guess who will have to defend them?

It's smart not to send troops and I'm sure NORAD, the president, the president of other nations, Arab nations that allow us on their soil to stage or whoever is in charge knows that.

 

[holdover]

Hatred of Jews is the most accepted meaning of the word antisemitic.

Anti-Semitic is also used against anyone speaking against Israel. So when I disagree or am critical of their bombing of gaza or Syria , or when I disagree with the stealing of at least some land from the Palestinians, or If say they are one of the biggest violators of human rights , Im Anti Semitic. Not because I hate Jews, but because I challenge the policy's of their government.

If Im anti sematic then Im Anti USA also. That's a load of shit . The Jewish people never did anything against me personally , and neither did the Palestinians, I don't like or hate them because of their religion or race. Actions are what counts , And when we go to war , I expect them to fight and die next to our men . otherwise they are a worthless allies.

 

[holdover]

Once Israel sends troops or tokens, it becomes a holy war and they open themselves to attack. And guess who will have to defend them?
.

So why be allies?

We don't really have to defend them. We have an agreement with them that we will, but there's no benefit for us in it . An allie that's costs us billions of US dollars a year in military aid and they wont fight . What do we get out of this deal ? Im missing the purpose here.

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

Once Israel sends troops or tokens, it becomes a holy war and they open themselves to attack. And guess who will have to defend them?

It's smart not to send troops and I'm sure NORAD, the president, the president of other nations, Arab nations that allow us on their soil to stage or whoever is in charge knows that.

But it's OK to send troops into Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq as a "preemptive" strike despite the fact that those countries knew if they attacked first they'd have to deal with the might of the US military.

To me that sounds mightily like a holy war. Israel knew they weren't going to attack because of US backing and they also knew they would smother their enemies into the ground regardless.

Yes Israel was baited into attacking in the late sixties but they didn't have to take it.

They pick and choose their battles instead of supporting their allies when they are needed.

Also remember the USS Liberty? Israel attacked her. Our government and theirs say it was accidental but those who were there say it was intentional.

 

[holdover]

Here is your "" allie"":

The Lavon affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954.[vague] As part of the false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American, and British-owned civilian targets, cinemas, libraries and American educational centers.

Lavon Affair - Wikipedia

During the Six-Day War, Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats attack the USS Liberty in international waters off Egypt’s Gaza Strip. The intelligence ship, well-marked as an American vessel and only lightly armed, was attacked first by Israeli aircraft that fired napalm and rockets at the ship. The Liberty attempted to radio for assistance, but the Israeli aircraft blocked the transmissions. Eventually, the ship was able to make contact with the U.S. carrier Saratoga, and 12 fighter jets and four tanker planes were dispatched to defend the Liberty. When word of their deployment reached Washington, however, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered them recalled to the carrier, and they never reached the Liberty. The reason for the recall remains unclear.

Nine of the 294 crewmembers were dead and 60 were wounded. Suddenly, the ship was attacked by Israeli torpedo boats, which launched torpedoes and fired artillery at the ship. Under the command of its wounded captain, William L. McGonagle, the Liberty managed to avert four torpedoes, but one struck the ship at the waterline. Heavily damaged, the ship launched three lifeboats, but these were also attacked–a violation of international law. Failing to sink the Liberty, which displaced 10,000 tons, the Israelis finally desisted. In all, 34 Americans were killed and 171 were wounded in the two-hour attack. In the attack’s aftermath, the Liberty managed to limp to a safe port.

Israel attacks USS Liberty - Jun 08, 1967 - HISTORY.com

We don't need Allies like this.

 

[Marine Cpl]

So why be allies?

We don't really have to defend them. We have an agreement with them that we will, but there's no benefit for us in it . An allie that's costs us billions of US dollars a year in military aid and they wont fight . What do we get out of this deal ? Im missing the purpose here.

We are allies with someone when they benefit us. They benefit us in some way or else we wouldn't be allies with them. Peons like us don't have to know why just like peons like us don't have to know why we are allies with Turkey. We are allies with both of them for a reason.

 

[Marine Cpl]

But it's OK to send troops into Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq as a "preemptive" strike despite the fact that those countries knew if they attacked first they'd have to deal with the might of the US military.

To me that sounds mightily like a holy war. Israel knew they weren't going to attack because of US backing and they also knew they would smother their enemies into the ground regardless.

Yes Israel was baited into attacking in the late sixties but they didn't have to take it.

They pick and choose their battles instead of supporting their allies when they are needed.

Also remember the USS Liberty? Israel attacked her. Our government and theirs say it was accidental but those who were there say it was intentional.

I don't understand at all what you are saying. Nothing at all. Who are you talking about sending troops into those countries you mentioned?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Here is your "" allie"":

The Lavon affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954.[vague] As part of the false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American, and British-owned civilian targets, cinemas, libraries and American educational centers.

Lavon Affair - Wikipedia

During the Six-Day War, Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats attack the USS Liberty in international waters off Egypt’s Gaza Strip. The intelligence ship, well-marked as an American vessel and only lightly armed, was attacked first by Israeli aircraft that fired napalm and rockets at the ship. The Liberty attempted to radio for assistance, but the Israeli aircraft blocked the transmissions. Eventually, the ship was able to make contact with the U.S. carrier Saratoga, and 12 fighter jets and four tanker planes were dispatched to defend the Liberty. When word of their deployment reached Washington, however, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered them recalled to the carrier, and they never reached the Liberty. The reason for the recall remains unclear.

Nine of the 294 crewmembers were dead and 60 were wounded. Suddenly, the ship was attacked by Israeli torpedo boats, which launched torpedoes and fired artillery at the ship. Under the command of its wounded captain, William L. McGonagle, the Liberty managed to avert four torpedoes, but one struck the ship at the waterline. Heavily damaged, the ship launched three lifeboats, but these were also attacked–a violation of international law. Failing to sink the Liberty, which displaced 10,000 tons, the Israelis finally desisted. In all, 34 Americans were killed and 171 were wounded in the two-hour attack. In the attack’s aftermath, the Liberty managed to limp to a safe port.

Israel attacks USS Liberty - Jun 08, 1967 - HISTORY.com

We don't need Allies like this.

Apparently we do because we are allies with them no matter who is in charge. You'll never know why unless you get a top secret clearance. It's not for you to know.

 

[holdover]

I don't think you need to have top secret clearance to know.

 

[holdover]

As far as Turkey goes, they Joined NATO because they feared the Russians during the cold war .

 

[Marine Cpl]

I don't think you need to have top secret clearance to know.

It's probably an even higher clearance. Hell, they may have us on something. We aren't angels either. We'll never know why but what we will know is that they will always be our unofficial allies no matter who's in charge.

 

[holdover]

Below is the American-led coalition against the Iraqi government in the 1990s. Muslim vs muslim
Contents
[1 Coalition by number of military personnel

• 2 Coalition by Divisions
  • 2.1 Army Central Command
  • 2.2 Marine Central Command
  • 2.3 Joint Forces Command East
  • 2.4 Joint Forces Command North

• 3 Commanders of Coalition
  • 3.1 Bangladesh
  • 3.2 Czechoslovakia
  • 3.3 Egypt
  • 3.4 France
  • 3.5 Italy
  • 3.6 Saudi Arabia
  • 3.7 Syria
  • 3.8 United Kingdom
  • 3.9 United States

 

[holdover]

It's probably an even higher clearance. Hell, they may have us on something. We aren't angels either. We'll never know why but what we will know is that they will always be our unofficial allies no matter who's in charge.

We also know we can never count on them to fight along side our troops . except possibly Syria or Lebanon. I don't see that as money well spent . I just cant find any real justification for it.

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

I don't understand at all what you are saying. Nothing at all. Who are you talking about sending troops into those countries you mentioned?

Israel, still in regards to the six day war. Where they will willingly send troops into Arab countries who hate them but they will use the "we don't want a holy war" excuse to not help one of their allies.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Below is the American-led coalition against the Iraqi government in the 1990s. Muslim vs muslim
Contents
[1 Coalition by number of military personnel

• 2 Coalition by Divisions
  • 2.1 Army Central Command
  • 2.2 Marine Central Command
  • 2.3 Joint Forces Command East
  • 2.4 Joint Forces Command North

• 3 Commanders of Coalition
  • 3.1 Bangladesh
  • 3.2 Czechoslovakia
  • 3.3 Egypt
  • 3.4 France
  • 3.5 Italy
  • 3.6 Saudi Arabia
  • 3.7 Syria
  • 3.8 United Kingdom
  • 3.9 United States

And we know the Saudi's aren't friendly towards us behind closed doors but we are still their allies. There's got to be reasons.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Israel, still in regards to the six day war. Where they will willingly send troops into Arab countries who hate them but they will use the "we don't want a holy war" excuse to not help one of their allies.

Dude. Do you really think that if a coalition of troops from multiple countries have Israel on their side, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Turkey will allow us to stage our troops on their soil and use their airspace? They want them exterminated. You can't see that? They don't want sanctions on them. They want them exterminated. No effing way would they allow them on their soil.

 

[Marine Cpl]

We also know we can never count on them to fight along side our troops . except possibly Syria or Lebanon. I don't see that as money well spent . I just cant find any real justification for it.

That's because you are just some dude wasting his time on a NY gun forum. No offense.

You'll never know why as I've said twice already and don't need to know why. There are people with access to intelligence that know why and they are the only ones that need to know.

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

Dude. Do you really think that if a coalition of troops from multiple countries have Israel on their side, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Turkey will allow us to stage our troops on their soil and use their airspace? They want them exterminated. You can't see that? They don't want sanctions on them. They want them exterminated. No effing way would they allow them on their soil.

Israeli troops weren't "allowed" on the land, they invaded and attacked because of how they are surrounded by people who want them dead.

Here's the thing, why would you create a country in an area where they will be surrounded by people who want them dead? Maybe it was created to keep turmoil in the middle east. Maybe that is why we are allied with and support Israel. We want them around so there can still be wars to fight in that part of the world.

Israel being where it is is like you driving the general Lee and living in the projects. You'd be surrounded by people who want you dead. Why would anyone want that unless they just want wars?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Israeli troops weren't "allowed" on the land, they invaded and attacked because of how they are surrounded by people who want them dead.

Here's the thing, why would you create a country in an area where they will be surrounded by people who want them dead? Maybe it was created to keep turmoil in the middle east. Maybe that is why we are allied with and support Israel. We want them around so there can still be wars to fight in that part of the world.

Israel being where it is is like you driving the general Lee and living in the projects. You'd be surrounded by people who want you dead. Why would anyone want that unless they just want wars?

I quit man. I don't think you have any understanding on the history of Israel or the politics behind it. I believe you just formed an opinion based on what you've heard from someone else just like someone who just knows that assault weapons are bad and no matter what facts are out there, they have their opinion.

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

I have plenty of facts about Israel to dislike them as a country.

Earlier in here you mentioned their quest to protect their borders as reason we should befriend them. However there are some who are Israeli born but dual citizens of Israel and the USA who believe Israel should have closed borders but the USA shouldn't.

Then we have this quote regarding the USS Liberty: McNamara retorted that "President [Lyndon] Johnson is not going to go to war or embarrass an American ally over a few sailors."

This is regarding why the jets sent from nearby carriers to help defend the Liberty were turned back before they got there.

New revelations in attack on American spy ship

 

[holdover]

Dude. Do you really think that if a coalition of troops from multiple countries have Israel on their side, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Turkey will allow us to stage our troops on their soil and use their airspace? They want them exterminated. You can't see that? They don't want sanctions on them. They want them exterminated. No effing way would they allow them on their soil.

Not sure what your saying, We already have bases in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

Sure the Muslims want them destroyed. I don't see how that's important to the US. Lets say , Iran launched A successful surprise nuke strike on Israel , crippling them . How does that affect the people in Detroit? How does that affect the US economy? Im not seeing the relevance here.

Now lets say N Korea nuked south Korea, How does this affect the US economy? Well the car industry becomes effected for one, many cheap goods are produced in South Korea and many American business are established there , not to mention the 40,000 Us troops there. So I can see how those things could have negative effects on the economy and The family's of service members . I cant see this with Israel. Convince me they are worth fighting for.

 

[kev74]

You guys are giving the Jews and Arabs some heathy competition in the arguing department. Well done.

 

[holdover]

They don't need our help. they do pretty good on their own

I think its good to hash this out a bit, everybody can learn things .

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

You guys are giving the Jews and Arabs some heathy competition in the arguing department. Well done.

It's more of a discussion than an argument imo.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Not sure what your saying, We already have bases in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

Sure the Muslims want them destroyed. I don't see how that's important to the US. Lets say , Iran launched A successful surprise nuke strike on Israel , crippling them . How does that affect the people in Detroit? How does that affect the US economy? Im not seeing the relevance here.

Now lets say N Korea nuked south Korea, How does this affect the US economy? Well the car industry becomes effected for one, many cheap goods are produced in South Korea and many American business are established there , not to mention the 40,000 Us troops there. So I can see how those things could have negative effects on the economy and The family's of service members . I cant see this with Israel. Convince me they are worth fighting for.

OMG. Do you know how much trade we have with Israel? A quick Google search shows that. They buy most of their shit from us!

I'm done guys. This is ridiculous. I get it. You don't like them. Ok.

 

[holdover]

No Will your wrong. Their GDP is tiny , there's only 7 -9 million people in Israel . We have more people in NYC than they have in their whole country. what does the US export? Cars and military equipment and the military equipment is free .
Top 5 exports to the US from Isreal

Packaged medicaments,
Refined petroleum
Diamonds
Integrated circuits
Aircraft parts

Top 5 Exports From Israel: Which Israeli Products Are Most Imported Around the World?

We would hardly notice if they were overrun.
to put it in some perspective,

The GDP of Isreal is 318 billion.
The Gdp of NYC is 1.55 trillion
The gdp of the US is 18.5 trillion

 

[Mosinitis]

Inane arguments and old news that has nothing to do with U.S. embassy move.

 

[Marine Cpl]

No Will your wrong. Their GDP is tiny , there's only 7 -9 million people in Israel . We have more people in NYC than they have in their whole country. what does the US export? Cars and military equipment and the military equipment is free .
Top 5 exports to the US from Isreal

Packaged medicaments,
Refined petroleum
Diamonds
Integrated circuits
Aircraft parts

Top 5 Exports From Israel: Which Israeli Products Are Most Imported Around the World?

We would hardly notice if they were overrun.

Israel | United States Trade Representative

Israel Gives Much More to the U.S. Economy Than You Imagined

If you think we wouldn't notice it then okay. I didn't realize you were an economist.

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

Israel | United States Trade Representative

Israel Gives Much More to the U.S. Economy Than You Imagined

If you think we wouldn't notice it then okay. I didn't realize you were an economist.

Shit... I probably make parts that go into aircraft that Israel buys.

I don't dislike the people there, unless of course they are the ones who have a double standard as mentioned above. I dislike a lot of actions the government has taken.

Look I'm not sitting here saying everything Israel does is trash. Look at the galil, negev and uzi. Look at how they handle airport security, specifically in Tel Aviv. They are great at some things and downright evil in regards to others.

 

[holdover]

Israel | United States Trade Representative

Israel Gives Much More to the U.S. Economy Than You Imagined

If you think we wouldn't notice it then okay. I didn't realize you were an economist.

Will, did you read your source first?

Trade in services with Israel (exports and imports) totaled an estimated $11.7 billion in 2016. Services exports were $5.1 billion; services imports were $6.6 billion. The U.S. services trade deficit with Israel was $1.4 billion in 2016.

You just proved my point. 11 billion? We have individuals in the US with more money

• Bill Gates: $75 billion.

• Amancio Ortega: $67 billion.

• Warren Buffett: $60.8 billion.

• Carlos Slim Helu: $50 billion.

• Jeff Bezos: $45.2 billion.

• Mark Zuckerberg: $44.6 billion.

• Larry Ellison: $43.6 billion.

• Michael Bloomberg: $40 billion.

Of the $13 billion collected by U.S. toll agencies in the United States, two major New Jersey authorities — the New Jersey Turnpike Authority and Port Authority of New York & New Jersey — collected $2.7 billion, about one-fifth of that amount. In other words, for every $1 toll collected, drivers in New Jersey paid about 20 cents.

The US collects more money from tolls, for some reason You cant seem to comprehend that Israel is a tiny country of 7 million people That is roughly the size of new jersey. If new jersey were wiped out by a disaster , the US would not collapse . If Isreal was wiped out, the US would definitely not collapse. It would have almost no effect on the US .