Knowing that you can't take it all..

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I can't imagine how you can say I'm misinformed, I respectfully reverse the misinformed back to you and raise you a "false hope misinformation" because there's no way whatsoever that a long and steady power (and I did say substantial time) outage will "naturally cool" the power rods. Eventually they will decay. Back up systems will only last so long, I didn't mention how long, obviously not immediately but after back ups and the people controlling them have long left the area to be with their own families, shit will break down. For the people that are going to "hunker down" with plenty of rations, that will become an issue. The thread is for what to take with you..which assumes leaving the home.

My understanding is there are only a few reactors that are designed using passive cooling that use water current to cool their reactors without power.

Like 98% of reactors out there, once the grid trips hopefully their backup diesel generators come online to keep pumping the water to cool the reactor. Now the generators are great as long as they have fuel. Most reactors are believed to have a 2-3 week supply of it. Once the fuel is gone then what?

I saw an article a couple weeks ago I think on shtfplan and anyways fema was asking nuke plant operators out west how long they can last without diesel resupply......

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I just realized...this title can be very sexual and offensive to virgins.

They obviously need a trigger warning

 

[4excal]

I just realized...this title can be very sexual and offensive to virgins.

Now you made me scrool aaaaaall the way to the top to see what I named it, ya know, got that 8 second short term memory thing..

 

[4excal]

My understanding is there are only a few reactors that are designed using passive cooling that use water current to cool their reactors without power.

Like 98% of reactors out there, once the grid trips hopefully their backup diesel generators come online to keep pumping the water to cool the reactor. Now the generators are great as long as they have fuel. Most reactors are believed to have a 2-3 week supply of it. Once the fuel is gone then what?

I saw an article a couple weeks ago I think on shtfplan and anyways fema was asking nuke plant operators out west how long they can last without diesel resupply......

Yup..shit runs out after time..shit goes bad..

 

[Criticalt]

Two people, 3 horses and a mule......thats my bug out plan. If someone shoots a horse, I will blow up horse and all it is carrying.
Anymore questions?

 

[4excal]

My kindle is too slow for me to google. Cliff notes?

Kindle??? Man you really do like the Revolutionary days eh??

 

[Magnus]

Two people, 3 horses and a mule......thats my bug out plan. If someone shoots a horse, I will blow up horse and all it is carrying.
Anymore questions?

Just one, what are you using for explosives?



This thread just makes me want to sit my ass at home lol. I've wanted to start using my BOB out where I would potentially going to hide. Maybe this weekend. As far as bringing all those guns, try a small shotgun with those X-caliber adapters. This way you only have to worry about one firearm and the ammo.

X CALIBER Gauge Adapter System

Chiappa Firearms

 

[Criticalt]

Just one, what are you using for explosives?



This thread just makes me want to sit my ass at home lol. I've wanted to start using my BOB out where I would potentially going to hide. Maybe this weekend. As far as bringing all those guns, try a small shotgun with those X-caliber adapters. This way you only have to worry about one firearm and the ammo.

X CALIBER Gauge Adapter System

Chiappa Firearms

Secret sause

 

[Steal2B]

My understanding is there are only a few reactors that are designed using passive cooling that use water current to cool their reactors without power.

Like 98% of reactors out there, once the grid trips hopefully their backup diesel generators come online to keep pumping the water to cool the reactor. Now the generators are great as long as they have fuel. Most reactors are believed to have a 2-3 week supply of it. Once the fuel is gone then what?

I saw an article a couple weeks ago I think on shtfplan and anyways fema was asking nuke plant operators out west how long they can last without diesel resupply......

All pressurized water reactors (100%) can use natural circulation to cool the Reactor core and 100% do use natural circulation to cool their core following a loss of off site power from a full power trip. (If the plant is on line they use their own power output for their Reactor Coolant pumps. ) During normal power operations and hot standby or following an at power trip steam from the steam generators drive steam driven main feed pumps to supply make up feed water to the steam generator. As the Reactor cool down continues electric motor driven auxiliary feed water pumps supplied by electrical busses with multiple choices of electrical supply such as a normal electric supply, an emergency diesel generator source, an air cooled appendix R diesel generator, or on on site gas turbine. These same power sources can feed various service water pump motors and , residual heat removal pump motors, recirculation sump pump motors, etc. As the Reactor continues to cool down flowing a reactor trip (driven by gravity) there is a point that it is too cool to generate steam in the steam generators and natural circulation is replaced by the residual heat removal system which is powered by the various internal electrical buses previously discussed. During a continued loss of off site power event the ever shrinking decay heat loads from the reactor core is normally removed by the Residual Heat Removal System. Spent fuel is cooled in a pool with more than 23 feet of water covering the spent fuel assemblies stored in the racks and some long term decayed fuel assemblies are stored in casks that are air cooled. When reading about available emergency fuel supply there are discussions about day tanks, the larger EDG storage tanks, the even larger on site fuel storage tanks, and then there is still other dedicated fuel storage for well beyond the 30 day criteria. This information is available in public documents and is not classifed or safeguarded information. There are items published that discuss outside design basis shtf class IX events that are statistically impossible but licensees continue to demonstrate redundant or diverse capabilities to address these and develop symptom based (as opposed to event based) procedures to address the unpredicted. Bottom line is that if we lose gravity, if heat stops flowing to cold, if a large astroid hits the Westchester area, or the earth splits open sliding Westchester county into the Hudson, if large thermal nuclear weapons are detonized over the Hudson Valley, or if the whole of Westchester County is submerged under 20 feet of water you would be bugging out if you could and Indian Point would not be in your survival priorities. I live well within the zones to Indian Point discussed by the OP and when (if) I leave this beautiful Valley it will be because of the high taxes, FUAC, oppressive state laws / regulations, high crime, family migrating away from poor employment oppertunities in NY, high cost of living, or lousy winters and it will have nothing to do with the safety or security of Indian Point.

My understanding is there are only a few reactors that are designed using passive cooling that use water current to cool their reactors without power.

Like 98% of reactors out there, once the grid trips hopefully their backup diesel generators come online to keep pumping the water to cool the reactor. Now the generators are great as long as they have fuel. Most reactors are believed to have a 2-3 week supply of it. Once the fuel is gone then what?

I saw an article a couple weeks ago I think on shtfplan and anyways fema was asking nuke plant operators out west how long they can last without diesel resupply......

 

[Gunright]

HA! 2 more came in the mail today! Funny u mention that. One went in the true BOB and one went into the Ammo/Gun bag, plus I got 400$ more in gold in 1 gram increments tiny and light perfect for bartering

While the life straw is ok, I prefer the Sawyer Mini. Use mine quite frequently while hiking, it is light weight (very important), works well and can be flished in the field if needed (requires some "good" water when doing the flush): Example:https://www.amazon.com/Sawyer-Produ...8539&sr=1-1&keywords=mini+sawyer+water+filter

It is also wise to be able to treat water for viral agents: https://www.amazon.com/Potable-Aqua...78845&sr=8-1&keywords=water+treatment+tablets
https://www.amazon.com/Potable-Aqua...78845&sr=8-1&keywords=water+treatment+tablets
Here's a good starter article on various techniques: Water Purification Tablets: How Do They Work + Best Products Reviews

 

[Gunright]

I feel sorry for you poor bastards that live near NYC, it makes the bug out much harder to do. For those of us up in the north land, our bigger concern is keeping the marauders out.

One other comment. It is really important to actually have practical knowledge on using any toys you buy to help survive. For example, the water filters I mention in the previous post, or hiking longer distances with weight. Even the folks near NYC can get practical experience, the AT runs right through Harriman.

 

[Saltwater60]

I think the issue with leaving then returning is all the good crap will be gone. I understand your points, but I think I'll just have to wait and see. My parents have some property, but it's a 2 hour ride by car. So I'm not sure how feasible that would be.

 

[Bananabandit]

Kindle??? Man you really do like the Revolutionary days eh??

I still dont have a smart phone.

 

[livingston]

There are potential disaster scenarios where you may have to take off but Indian Point would not drive a bug out scenario for you. I doubt you would enjoy arguing this point with me. I am a recognized subject matter expert, have provided judicary testimony on this topic, and can do the math. If by chance you lived through a hypothetical disaster that would cause multiple critical safety functions to go red at the facility, radiation would not be near the top of your list of concerns for immediate or short term survival. On a loss of power event the facility has to be able to be self sufficient for a month as a condition for its license. There is also not enough material in the core nor any historical meteorological conditions to cause the life endangering widespread radiological destruction you described . There can be a hypothetical mess and a financial disaster but there are much worse PRA concerns to prepare for. Without even knowing windspeeds, wind direction or wind stability class in your case if bugging out just have to head north and if you are going to cross the Hudson, go past Putnam County if you have a choice. Can not go wrong.

There are potential disaster scenarios where you may have to take off but Indian Point would not drive a bug out scenario for you. I doubt you would enjoy arguing this point with me. I am a recognized subject matter expert, have provided judicary testimony on this topic, and can do the math. If by chance you lived through a hypothetical disaster that would cause multiple critical safety functions to go red at the facility, radiation would not be near the top of your list of concerns for immediate or short term survival. On a loss of power event the facility has to be able to be self sufficient for a month as a condition for its license. There is also not enough material in the core nor any historical meteorological conditions to cause the life endangering widespread radiological destruction you described . There can be a hypothetical mess and a financial disaster but there are much worse PRA concerns to prepare for. Without even knowing windspeeds, wind direction or wind stability class in your case if bugging out just have to head north and if you are going to cross the Hudson, go past Putnam County if you have a choice. Can not go wrong.

If an EMP should happen ... All power in say Eastern US off line for months say even a year... What would happen to these power plants in NY State and a time frame for concern ?...(safe for 2 months ,3 months . ect )?

 

[Steal2B]

If an EMP should happen ... All power in say Eastern US off line for months say even a year... What would happen to these power plants in NY State and a time frame for concern ?...(safe for 2 months ,3 months . ect )?

It is not easy to provide a detailed answer and some information is classified / safeguarded. First, an emp is a horrific weapon although it would not be an effective means to take down the Eastern Interconnect, there could be micro grid impact(s). A severe weather event is a much more likely to introduce a common mode cause for widespread and lengthy outages with substantial damage. Regardless, the nuclear facilities have the infrastructure, preparation, resources, support, and capabilites to maintain long term core cooling for either cause. The electrical grid has more to fear from the less glamorous fits from mother nature than an EMP attack and it is wise for every household to have preparations in place to survive a long term loss of power during a severe weather scenario. The million dollar question is what is the worst that mother nature could dish out.

 

[GOPerfect]

The million dollar question is what is the worst that mother nature could dish out.

And that sir, is The Million Dollar Question for sure.

Most of us can only imagine what wrath she could bring upon us. Enemy Soldiers and enemy nations; we have intelligence and our Military to assist in protecting our lands and our people. We can not, nor will we ever to beat Mother Nature.

 

[Bananabandit]

Random thought. If you have no water but a lot of cans of corn, drain it from the can. You're welcome.

 

[FCG LLC]

And that sir, is The Million Dollar Question for sure.

Most of us can only imagine what wrath she could bring upon us. Enemy Soldiers and enemy nations; we have intelligence and our Military to assist in protecting our lands and our people. We can not, nor will we ever to beat Mother Nature.

Agreed. I often ask in the (my) RSO course... "what is your most important concern when operating a range, indoor or outdoor, but especially an outdoor range for when you are preparing to do your range inspection before opening?
Most people say "electricity".



First climate, then terrain (topography), then weather, then people. But not necessarily in that order.

 

[FrankenCub]

Anyone concerned with having no choice but to bug out, you could easily make an aluminum cart with mountain bike wheels to pull behind you. If it comes to that point you have no choice you might as well take as much as you can. The cart will take a load easily and tow easily, unless you're climbing some really good hills. Even then it makes it possible to have a better chance being much more prepared. It doesn't have to be huge to gain the advantage of the wheel.

 

[Acer-m14]

ok ok .. we have a nuke power plant .. why the fuck are we worried about NYSEG ( insert other company here) supplying power to run the pumps ??
the only worries i think of is a emp takes out the electronic controllers . i sure hope they planed for that .. I just have a 2 yr degree in electronic technology and brought that question up .. brb need to get beer #5 .. i'm thirsty ... so if we have a nuke plant making electric and its not powering itself .. were doomed .. just sell the planet now ,... but if the water get turned off .. WTF .. your making power . you dont have a tank of water hooked to electric that your making and sending it chillers to cool it and recycle and send back to the rods .. WTF .. i want my 5 billion pay check now ... the only thing that should take out a nuke plant is a earthquake that just rips everything apart so no way shit can run .. .. then we all run like hell to our safe mats .. made of lead ... there 499.99 at my ebay store ...

 

[Acer-m14]

now if your at ground zero .. you won't feel a thing .. but if your say 1000 miles away , don't worry about the radiation , you still will live 25 more years and you may even grow a 3rd arm which would be good for working on cars like we have today .. LOL ..

 

[Steal2B]

Nuke plants normally do supply their own power. We are playing with scenarios that the nuke plant comes off the line and there is also a widespread outage. The nuke plants do have their own dedicated multiple emergency power sources after they come off line during widespread blackout. An EMP detonation is not an effective weapon to cause widespread long term blackouts but they will likely cause other significant carnage. By the nature of the beast, NUCLEAR power plants are somewhat hardened to the ionizing energy / electro magnetic radiation effects of a high atmosphere NUCLEAR detonation. Commercial nuclear power reactors in the United States can not explode, the fuel is low enrichment, they operate nearly their entire fuel cycle with a negative moderator temperature co-effecient (unlike some unnamed reactors overseas). To add some perspective, the Three Mile Island accident lost core cooling, melted the fuel, and the reactor core was reduced to a heap of rubble but there were no loss of life or injuries.

 

[Acer-m14]

the biggest fear i have in oh crap all shit broke loose .. EMP . nuke .. is from the snowflakes and GF/wife .. my damn hair dryer won't work no dam electric.
.. were done for .. LOL ..

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

I live in a home and a community in which I do not foresee any situation that would make me leave. I've discussed these things with several of the adult males on our street, and a dozen years ago some said they had plans to bugout to their vacation home in Vermont or the in-laws place in Maine, but I was always of the opinion you're better off staying near home, where people know you, where you have community ties, where your doctor and dentist and pharmacist and vetranarian are. You go off to somewhere else and you are the stranger. 50/50 whether you get helped or ripped off. Most of the fathers on our street have eventually agreed with me and we're going to try to stick together through anything we could think of. The two famiies with little boys do not want to be on the road or in the woods with 3 boys under 6. If Mommy gets sick there are 6 other mothers and 2 grandmothers to look after the children. Some neighbors have livestock they didn't want to leave. We have 2 nurses, one trauma/surgical the other pediatric. We have schoolteachers, retired firemen and detectives(the retired narc around the corner answers her door with an UZI), carpenters , vet techs, bakers,auto mechanics; everyone has a vegetable garden and the ladies have taken up canning. We're 3 miles uphill from the highway with a mix of thick woods/swamp and farms between us and the main roads. Two roads in/out. No stores or gas stations within a mile. We have stocked ponds and streams, game all around, many hunters and every home has a mix of firearms. I try to keep enough gasoline on hand to go get my youngest in Virginia if I have to. She is mobile, athletic, and she has a 10/22.

 

[4excal]

I live in a home and a community in which I do not foresee any situation that would make me leave. I've discussed these things with several of the adult males on our street, and a dozen years ago some said they had plans to bugout to their vacation home in Vermont or the in-laws place in Maine, but I was always of the opinion you're better off staying near home, where people know you, where you have community ties, where your doctor and dentist and pharmacist and vetranarian are. You go off to somewhere else and you are the stranger. 50/50 whether you get helped or ripped off. Most of the fathers on our street have eventually agreed with me and we're going to try to stick together through anything we could think of. The two famiies with little boys do not want to be on the road or in the woods with 3 boys under 6. If Mommy gets sick there are 6 other mothers and 2 grandmothers to look after the children. Some neighbors have livestock they didn't want to leave. We have 2 nurses, one trauma/surgical the other pediatric. We have schoolteachers, retired firemen and detectives(the retired narc around the corner answers her door with an UZI), carpenters , vet techs, bakers,auto mechanics; everyone has a vegetable garden and the ladies have taken up canning. We're 3 miles uphill from the highway with a mix of thick woods/swamp and farms between us and the main roads. Two roads in/out. No stores or gas stations within a mile. We have stocked ponds and streams, game all around, many hunters and every home has a mix of firearms. I try to keep enough gasoline on hand to go get my youngest in Virginia if I have to. She is mobile, athletic, and she has a 10/22.

That works and all..assuming you don't plan for the other types of SHTF scenarios.like the types that make you have to go..not all are "hunker down" scenarios, that'd be great if they were but unfortunately the real world has many ways to hit the fan..Some involve nuclear fallout, raging fires or (burned out of your community by thugs possible too), earthquakes, Hurricanes that destroy or flood your area, power out for so long you'll need to venture out to survive, and many other ways you can't just that won't allow you to just be idol. So definitely "hunkering" would/will be ideal" but what will your plan be now after thinking over some of my examples?..give up,or plan and evolve and survive?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Hunkering down is the smartest thing to do until it is no longer safe to hunker down. It's that simple.

Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Plan to stay home where your supplies are but if it becomes too dangerous, grab your prebilt pack for every member of the family that you can actually carry and fallback on your secondary plan of bugging out.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

Why the 1911 and the 9mm? Seems redundant. 45 ammo is far to heavy to carry IMO anyway.

 

[Cleck]

Late to the show here, but my loaded backpack for Colorado (keep in mind it was loaded for 8 days food) weighed over 50 pounds. It was definitely heavy. That was also with lightweight equipment too, food just weighs a lot. Ammo would add some weight, but since I don't have a rifle (completed), I'd bring both pistols, since they both shoot the same ammo. Couple boxes of ammo too.

Without factoring in my wife and daughters to help carry, I'd pack everything into my camping bag and have that ready to go. Would need a better way to access my pistol, since the waist straps cover my hip holster for the HK.

I don't live in Rochester, but on the outskirts, so I still have a lot of people around me, but not as much as being stuck in the urban jungle. If I knew something was gonna happen before it did, or if things started getting weird (like more than normal), I'd bail down to the country where I grew up. If I got pantsed like everyone else, I'd wait it out a few days at home. Cover/board up windows and doors, keep lights and smoke down if possible, keep a low profile. When the crazies and everything else calmed down, then we could bail out. I live across the street from Wegmans, a liquor store, dollar stores, and a discount store. Those places are getting hit hard and I don't want people seeing me.

Wife already has a BOB packed, ready to go. We just need to pack the rest of the good shit and toss it in the Subaru, and we're off.