Law saying all new construction buildings in nys to be all-electric introduced

[Saltwater60]

The article indicates that it mirrors the bill introduced in NYC and if so it starts with new builds being all-electric, but then eventually goes to all buildings when a permit for work or maitenance is pulled. I will not comply.

No More Gas Appliances In New York?

The way you heat your home and cook your food might be changing soon...

wblk.com

 

[Deplorable Me]

With high taxes and inferior state leadership they’re probably worried people will put their heads in the gas ovens.

 

[Acer-m14]

good .. lets do it .. then there no electric left to charge your fuckin green car .. plug in your car and house goes dark .. lol

 

[ArmedCorgi]

they’re probably worried people will put their heads in the gas ovens.

I'd posit that NYS probably couldn't care less what happens to it's citizens.

 

[masterswimmer]

I'd posit that NYS probably couldn't care less what happens to it's citizens.

And I'll retort with they absolutely do care. That's why governor monkeyface party tits sent the seniors back to nursing homes to expire. Reduced the financial burden on the state. So bottom line, the state does care, just not in a positive way.

Follow. The. Money.

 

[Cavalry]

Just do it already. I cant wait for the rolling blackouts in the middle of January.

 

[Saltwater60]

Just do it already. I cant wait for the rolling blackouts in the middle of January.

Don’t worry the elites will be ok because you can run a gas line if you want a backup generator.

 

[Deplorable Me]

How about some electric furniture for the state capital?

 

[Dr. Evil]

No worries. NY is open for business.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Just do it already. I cant wait for the rolling blackouts in the middle of January.

Throughout the winter my office gets notices of high energy demand and to expect to pay surcharge pricing. Starts in November and got one 3 days ago.

I attended training for using heat pumps in NY. Replacement for gas fired heating systems. I asked if NY had the green power production capacity to handle the change. The answer was no. The majority of people attending the session were administrators with no engineering or technical degrees.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

The race for ultimate stupidity continues

 

[livingston]

I have heard that a housing development in Monroe county has half of it connected to gas ... The newer part only electric per regulations

 

[Saltwater60]

Throughout the winter my office gets notices of high energy demand and to expect to pay surcharge pricing. Starts in November and got one 3 days ago.

I attended training for using heat pumps in NY. Replacement for gas fired heating systems. I asked if NY had the green power production capacity to handle the change. The answer was no. The majority of people attending the session were administrators with no engineering or technical degrees.

I’ve been hearing about these high efficiency heat pumps and they seem to good to be true. I’ve read for $1 of input you can get $7 of energy out of them or something crazy like that. I don’t see how that’s possible. I get how they work, but it just seems to good to be true.

 

[Celt]

They will raise taxes for new electrical infrastructure in no time, all part of the plan.

 

[Deplorable Me]

I’ve been hearing about these high efficiency heat pumps and they seem to good to be true. I’ve read for $1 of input you can get $7 of energy out of them or something crazy like that. I don’t see how that’s possible. I get how they work, but it just seems to good to be true.

That concept defies every law of thermodynamics. Would love to see info on that claim.

Air to air heat pumps are useless below about 30F. They go to all resistance heat.

Ground source heat pumps are universal for all climates but you have to drill some serious bore holes to make them work. Money in them bore holes.

 

[ManualF150]

My buddy tried geothermal and he wasn't too impressed. All the marketing hype was there, and he fell for it.

I remember a while ago, reading about how inefficient electric was for heating. What has changed with the technology??

Last I checked, most heating equipment uses nichrome wire/fused silica (radiant) or convection heating. Nothing new here.

 

[prambo]

That shit won't float in The 'Hood - the village buys electricity directly rom the NYS Power Authority as a "municipality". Lake Placid and one other place do this.

The electric rates are very low, at least by comparison to National Greed.

However, the village just passed an ordinance that all new and refurb building can NOT use electric for heat, since the amount of electricity is limited and any use over that incurs surcharges.

It appears that even with surcharges, the amount of electricity the village can buy is limited.

NYS is a corpse, and now the maggots in Albany, as well as any DemonRats whatsoever, are eating the dead and putrefying flesh.

 

[DoOver]

I am old enough to remember in the 60's, LILCO out on the Island, pushing hard for all electric homes, electric heat an so forth.
Then comes Democrat Jimma Carter and the "world" ran out of oil.
Electric prices went threw the roof.
The folks where burning furniture in their homes just to keep house from freezing.

Democrats same as they ever was.

 

[DoOver]

They will raise taxes for new electrical infrastructure in no time, all part of the plan.

Yup, even thought the grid is privately owned.

 

[Jmac00]

A law very similar to this has already been enacted in New York City. NYC's Climate Mobilization Act bans the use of all fossel fuels in buildings of all sizes that are constructed, and those buildings must be fully electric by 2027.

so, Madison square garden is goin all electric? Yankee Stadium is going all electric,

you'all better run out and invest in Yankee candle company, you're going to need them.

Just exactly where is all thios electric power coming from?? anyone build a new power generation plant in the last few years???

Im going to go invest in electric utility companies. this is going to be epic ~~~~~failure

 

[Saltwater60]

so, Madison square garden is goin all electric? Yankee Stadium is going all electric,

you'all better run out and invest in Yankee candle company, you're going to need them.

Just exactly where is all thios electric power coming from?? anyone build a new power generation plant in the last few years???

Im going to go invest in electric utility companies. this is going to be epic ~~~~~failure

Yes that’s what they say? I have no clue where it will all come from.

 

[Saltwater60]

That concept defies every law of thermodynamics. Would love to see info on that claim.

Air to air heat pumps are useless below about 30F. They go to all resistance heat.

Ground source heat pumps are universal for all climates but you have to drill some serious bore holes to make them work. Money in them bore holes.

Apparently now they have ones that work down to 20F. Again I’m sure the efficiency suffers horribly. I can’t see how much heat there is outside when it’s 20F outside with the wind blowing 30mph

this article says it can save you 50% over normal electric heat. I’ve been hearing radio ads locally for government subsidies to convert with claims greater than that.

Heat Pump Systems

A heat pump might be your best option for efficient heating and cooling.

www.energy.gov

 

[GOPerfect]

I sure hope all of this becomes a full reality.

 

[Toecutter]

 

[Jmac00]

Apparently now they have ones that work down to 20F. Again I’m sure the efficiency suffers horribly. I can’t see how much heat there is outside when it’s 20F outside with the wind blowing 30mph

this article says it can save you 50% over normal electric heat. I’ve been hearing radio ads locally for government subsidies to convert with claims greater than that.

Heat Pump Systems

A heat pump might be your best option for efficient heating and cooling.

www.energy.gov

fuuuuuuuck, I retired to early, I see thens of thousands of dollars going into Heating company coffers. The price of a Heat pump just doubled, maybe tripled

 

[Toecutter]

Apparently now they have ones that work down to 20F. Again I’m sure the efficiency suffers horribly. I can’t see how much heat there is outside when it’s 20F outside with the wind blowing 30mph

this article says it can save you 50% over normal electric heat. I’ve been hearing radio ads locally for government subsidies to convert with claims greater than that.

Heat Pump Systems

A heat pump might be your best option for efficient heating and cooling.

www.energy.gov

I heat with a heat pump 6 years now has an electric heat strip to help at lower temps. My thermostat tells me a breakdown of when the aux heats on. My heat pump works well to about 5 degrees then the heat strip start coming on 50 percent of the time. It's been below zero and the house will stay 65 . I also have a wood stove to help when it's real cold .
My level bill was 150 a month until the electric prices went crazy. Its 250 now .

 

[SonOfSun]

I’ve been hearing about these high efficiency heat pumps and they seem to good to be true. I’ve read for $1 of input you can get $7 of energy out of them or something crazy like that. I don’t see how that’s possible. I get how they work, but it just seems to good to be true.

The newer ones are a lot better and it's true they are more efficient than they were a couple decades ago and they work in lower temperatures now. As to the $7 for $1 thing... Heat pumps don't make heat, as their name implies they pump (ie. Move) heat. Think of it this way, a diesel tanker can move its load of diesel and to do so it doesn't burn diesel equivalent to its entire load of fuel. A heat pump moves existing heat from outside to the inside, it doesn't make heat. Even "cold" things have heat. You can use 50 degree outside air to heat your house to 70 pretty easily. Apparently the new ones work well down to freezing, and still work but with less efficiency below freezing.

It's basically the same idea as your refrigerator. A refrigerator doesn't "make cold" per se. It pumps heat out of the refrigerator and dumps it outside the food storage area (that's why the back/bottom of your refrigerator is warm). A heat pump is the same concept, just a lot more efficient.

They still shouldn't be mandated, but I honestly think things will go that way anyways. Cars are better than horses, we didn't need a law to push car usage. I think heat pumps will take over, especially as technology progresses.

What temperature does a heat pump stop working?

Wondering if you can use heat pumps in cold climates? Answers to common questions about how heat pumps work to heat your home in cold weather.

sealed.com

 

[2WheelGnnr]

its not just NYC I work for a residential home bldr here in Greece NY and our next section all homes will be electric only. We got the current section a get out of jail card but cant the next section about to open up this summber. All homes there will be Electric ONLY. PERIOD

 

[Saltwater60]

its not just NYC I work for a residential home bldr here in Greece NY and our next section all homes will be electric only. We got the current section a get out of jail card but cant the next section about to open up this summber. All homes there will be Electric ONLY. PERIOD

What the cost of this compared to gas? I e tried to look up the prices for high efficiency heat pumps and it’s very vague, but seeing upwards to $25,000.

 

[Saltwater60]

The newer ones are a lot better and it's true they are more efficient than they were a couple decades ago and they work in lower temperatures now. As to the $7 for $1 thing... Heat pumps don't make heat, as their name implies they pump (ie. Move) heat. Think of it this way, a diesel tanker can move its load of diesel and to do so it doesn't burn diesel equivalent to its entire load of fuel. A heat pump moves existing heat from outside to the inside, it doesn't make heat. Even "cold" things have heat. You can use 50 degree outside air to heat your house to 70 pretty easily. Apparently the new ones work well down to freezing, and still work but with less efficiency below freezing.

It's basically the same idea as your refrigerator. A refrigerator doesn't "make cold" per se. It pumps heat out of the refrigerator and dumps it outside the food storage area (that's why the back/bottom of your refrigerator is warm). A heat pump is the same concept, just a lot more efficient.

They still shouldn't be mandated, but I honestly think things will go that way anyways. Cars are better than horses, we didn't need a law to push car usage. I think heat pumps will take over, especially as technology progresses.

What temperature does a heat pump stop working?

Wondering if you can use heat pumps in cold climates? Answers to common questions about how heat pumps work to heat your home in cold weather.

sealed.com

Yeah I get how they work, but I’ve been promised many things by .gov and not many have come true. I was promised a job 10-12 years ago by .gov and it didn’t happen either. I’ve only heard this claim on one local radio ad so I’m skeptical. Of course .gov is subsidizing this.