LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

[spat]

You are wrong . Arrests in themselves when there was bail did make a difference.
Do you actually think the courts in NY were really “putting people away “ during the 1990s when the huge crime reduction started ? They weren’t . The average sentence for a child molester was probation . Robbery for the first and second robbery convictions— yep, probation .
What made the difference was small arrests . NYC transit police under Bratton and Maple showed the way — forget Comstat - but the broken windows theory . They arrested people for hoping the turnstiles ( not paying their fare). Subway crime went down so much, it was safer on the street than the subway — that’s not exaggeration. Criminals who do big crimes , don’t even think about the small crimes and do them out of habit . They get caught , arrested and aren’t out there for the bigger crimes . Plus the smaller crimes lead to the bigger ones all the time . OK bombing , how was he caught?— he didn’t have his license plate on the back of his car . He was in a jail cell before the FBI knew to even look for him.
Why did Auto crime dramatically go down in Queens , NY on Friday nights? Because if they got caught, they would have to spend the weekend in jail, so they didn’t do it on Friday nights .
Arrests do lower crime . Even with this bail reform bs. Arrests are down , crime is up in part that cops are getting sued when the DA declines to prosecute even for serious crimes.

There was a cultural shift that did it.

Not an arrest blitz.

And there was a cultural shift back to celebrating victimhood that is the root cause of our problems now, and you can't arrest your way out of it.

 

[Darth]

Being a Paramedic myself I wouldn't even put my job title in the same category of cops. We get shit on frequently by the public. The vast majority of the public see us as a glorified Uber rather than trained medical professionals.

Try being "somewhat law enforcement. "

The badge gets me 50% off at Chipotle, but no Glock Blue label.

I do enjoy me some Chipotle though.

 

[GOPerfect]

There was a cultural shift that did it.

Not an arrest blitz.

And there was a cultural shift back to celebrating victimhood that is the root cause of our problems now, and you can't arrest your way out of it.

This is a great example....

 

[GOPerfect]

Try being "somewhat law enforcement. "

The badge gets me 50% off at Chipotle, but no Glock Blue label.

I do enjoy me some Chipotle though.

What type of badge do you carry? Issued by the State? When I was selling, I Blue Labeled any and all that carried a badge. Even volunteer fire fighters got it.

 

[Darth]

What type of badge do you carry? Issued by the State? When I was selling, I Blue Labeled any and all that carried a badge. Even volunteer fire fighters got it.

Yes property of the empire.

 

[GOPerfect]

Yes property of the empire.

Gotta find the right dealer. Maybe those days are gone, like I said, any badge got the deal.

 

[Darth]

Gotta find the right dealer. Maybe those days are gone, like I said, any badge got the deal.

My job title even gets PO status in California.

But, welcome to NY.

 

[Truebeliever]

Ok, I'll make a deal with you. I'll meet you half way. Let's make three be some sort of standard you have to meet up make an attest. A sort of cause for you to believe that they probably committed a crime. That way you aren't just out attesting people to let the courts sort it out, and if you still are, whoops, you are on the hook now.

Far far far too many cops write off their life altering mistakes as "whoops, my bad. "

You want to put someone's life on the line? Be damn well sure you are right.

It wouldn’t work. Two things would happen. Cops won’t make arrests unless they personally saw it . Or because they have a reason to make sure a person who was arrested, gets convicted, they will not look or some will hide/not bring forward exculpatory evidence that might free that possibly innocent person .
Cops aren’t supposed to care if the person is convicted or not.

 

[Truebeliever]

There was a cultural shift that did it.

Not an arrest blitz.

And there was a cultural shift back to celebrating victimhood that is the root cause of our problems now, and you can't arrest your way out of it.

Wrong . Absolutely wrong . It was arrests for small things . Broken windows theory policing .It is exactly how NYC brought down their crime in the 1990s. Want further proof. The NYC transit police started broken windows . The subway was literally dramatically safer than the streets of NYC after it was started . It was not a cultural shift of the general public but of police departments that brought down the crime . Then the public cultural shift followed .

 

[dsdmmat]

This is a great example....

Sometimes you just gotta cuff the pretty one.
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[spat]

Wrong . Absolutely wrong . It was arrests for small things . Broken windows theory policing .It is exactly how NYC brought down their crime in the 1990s. Want further proof. The NYC transit police started broken windows . The subway was literally dramatically safer than the streets of NYC after it was started . It was not a cultural shift of the general public but of police departments that brought down the crime . Then the public cultural shift followed .

Whatever you have to tell yourself...

 

[Truebeliever]

Whatever you have to tell yourself...

It is a fact . Why the sudden uptake in crime in specific areas and not others . Bail reform yes but look at what laws were decriminalized by those woke DAs too. The arrests for the small things aren’t being made , crime soars .
What cultural change do you think caused the sudden decline in crime in NY and the places that incorporated broken windows in 1990s .

 

[spat]

It is a fact . Why the sudden uptake in crime in specific areas and not others . Bail reform yes but look at what laws were decriminalized by those woke DAs too. The arrests for the small things aren’t being made , crime soars .
What cultural change do you think caused the sudden decline in crime in NY and the places that incorporated broken windows in 1990s .

Crime became socially unacceptable.

That's it. That's the whole reason.

Right now the media and others have offered excuses for it, so in some subcultures it's not considered "bad" as long as the victims are rich or white.

Want to fix it ? You need to change the culture in those areas. Once it's no longer acceptable to assault and steal, then it will stop.

As long as the people in those neighborhoods feel that the world owes them, and they have a right to take it because someone who looked like them decades ago got a raw deal, the crime will continue. No matter how many arrests you make.

"Broken windows" just turns you into an occupying force and reinforces the victim and entitlement mentality.

I get that when you're a hammer everything looks like a nail, but policing has a very specific function in society, and it isn't what you think it is.