I'm not willing to bet my freedom/life on what a judge "Should" do.Nope, judge should toss the case because dude pled guilty.
Some are quite clearly anti-cop, BLM/Antifa supporters.
I'm not willing to bet my freedom/life on what a judge "Should" do.Nope, judge should toss the case because dude pled guilty.
The conviction rate has absolutely nothing to do with the police. If you have a woke DA and they just don’t want to prosecute, that’s on them , not the cop. If the victim no longer wants to participate in the case for whatever reason, that’s on them, not the cop . Most cops learn quickly not to care about the court case. And aren’t supposed to really care, unless they were an actual witness to the actual crime which is not common.And considering conviction rate, most citizens cops arrest did not as well.
I'll make a compromise. Simple accountability. If a cop makes any arrest, and the outcome is "not guilty", no hard feelings. It happens. But the cop will now face the exact punishment a guilty verdict would have.
Let's see how fast the "see what sticks " mentality disappears.
That will certainly make them think twice before an arrest. Win win.The conviction rate has absolutely nothing to do with the police. If you have a woke DA and they just don’t want to prosecute, that’s on them , not the cop. If the victim no longer wants to participate in the case for whatever reason, that’s on them, not the cop . Most cops learn quickly not to care about the court case. And aren’t supposed to really care, unless they were an actual witness to the actual crime which is not common.
That's likely how it would go with cops too.I agree but payments are made to insurance company by employer. Just wanted to make the distinction as I think it's important when comparing these two very different occupations.
It is the justice system that's fucked.The conviction rate has absolutely nothing to do with the police. If you have a woke DA and they just don’t want to prosecute, that’s on them , not the cop. If the victim no longer wants to participate in the case for whatever reason, that’s on them, not the cop . Most cops learn quickly not to care about the court case. And aren’t supposed to really care, unless they were an actual witness to the actual crime which is not common.
Everyone without a badge manages to do that every day.You want an ANTIFA like Police Department/Officers? Take away QI and most of us would walk the following day. You'll love what comes after those of us that have actually read the Constitution and abide by it leave.
Then they can staff entire departments with those who will happily and gleefully trample your rights.
Some of you guys truly believe the bullshit the media propagated about QI. It's not an "I can do whatever I want and get away with it." It's a "well that wasn't clear" or "that's a completely bullshit lawsuit because someone got butthurt"
For example: I make a LEGAL and lawful arrest for possession of stolen credit cards. The mutt PLEADS GUILTY to the charges. I get sued by the mutt for a false arrest. I should be expected to risk my life/freedom for that?
And the rapist goes free. Not even stopped to be identified. It will happen for every crime the officer didn’t personally witness. And even then , not alwaysThat will certainly make them think twice before an arrest. Win win.
Just exempting bad cops from legitimate lawsuits to save some tax dollars is worse.Not really a cost effective option considering the salaries are paid with tax dollars. I don't really want to see my taxes triple to cover the extra cost for each individual to have their own liability insurance vs an umbrella policy.
You seem to be under the illusion that it matters how many criminals you arrest.And the rapist goes free. Not even stopped to be identified. It will happen for every crime the officer didn’t personally witness. And even then , not always
But you're willing to subject everyone else to that arbitrary justice system ?I'm not willing to bet my freedom/life on what a judge "Should" do.
Some are quite clearly anti-cop, BLM/Antifa supporters.
I'm not willing to bet my freedom/life on what a judge "Should" do.
Some are quite clearly anti-cop, BLM/Antifa supporters.
Absolutely concur. But they serve at the behest of the voters.When they should be removed. Because they are not applying the law equally.
When they should be removed. Because they are not applying the law equally.
You know you're being dishonest, but even in that case, I'd rather 1000 guilty go free than 1 innocent get an "oops.'And the rapist goes free. Not even stopped to be identified. It will happen for every crime the officer didn’t personally witness. And even then , not always
Who is going to remove them?
I do not see many stepping up to get these judges out of office. Most are getting reelected and re-appointed.
Does the law not apply to them? Call your local Sheriff.
But it should.Now, you are just being funny. For real, we all know this is not happening. Not now, not anytime soon.
Absolutely concur. But they serve at the behest of the voters.
More evidence the system is broken beyond repair.Now, you are just being funny. For real, we all know this is not happening. Not now, not anytime soon.
I’m not being dishonest. It’s already happening. Why do you think crime is skyrocketing? The Ferguson effect is real .You know you're being dishonest, but even in that case, I'd rather 1000 guilty go free than 1 innocent get an "oops.'
You are wrong . Arrests in themselves when there was bail did make a difference.You seem to be under the illusion that it matters how many criminals you arrest.
It doesn't.
99% of crimes go unpunished.
If you catch twice as many, that only goes down 1%
If you catch half as many it only goes up 0.5%
Just like it doesn't matter how many "drugs" or "guns" you remove from the street. The trade is the same.
You guys are playing a giant game of whack-a-mole and thinking it matters how fast you swing the bat.
Then you drag out these emotional pleas about "what if this guy gets away" like it's the end of the world.
It isn't. If this guy gets away, the same thing happens as with the other 99 guys you didn't catch.
Until the courts start really removing the scum from society, what you guys do is irrelevant.
If you're not going to stop the criminals (and it doesn't matter who's fault it is that you can't), I'd rather have you quit stopping regular people from handling it themselves too.
Maybe. The real problem is you and many other people don’t really understand what is going on and why the system works the way it does . And where to fix it. It’s usually not with the enforcers but the makers of these laws and the courts . You want equal enforcement in general of the laws. If the individual cop is interpreting it as opposed to the courts , you don’t know what you are going to get each time . There is discretion to a point that each officer has , but you don’t want each officer deciding each case. It’s hard enough keeping up with the court Decisions where everyone is supposed to be on the same page .More evidence the system is broken beyond repair.
Serving it just perpetuates the problem.
We still have some good people who wear a badge and serve a corrupt system. But it's only a matter of time before you won't be able to be both.
Ok, I'll make a deal with you. I'll meet you half way. Let's make three be some sort of standard you have to meet up make an attest. A sort of cause for you to believe that they probably committed a crime. That way you aren't just out attesting people to let the courts sort it out, and if you still are, whoops, you are on the hook now.I’m not being dishonest. It’s already happening. Why do you think crime is skyrocketing? The Ferguson effect is real .
So let’s go with the 1 innocent man vs 1000 theory . That’s courtroom, or formal charges and conviction, not arrest . Why? Because arrest is how the suspect is identified or discounted . “Bring him in for questioning “ is an arrest . Stopping someone and putting them in a line-up ( as opposed to a show-up) is an arrest .
What happens with the 1000 go free( never arrested level)? People don’t use the criminal justice system and take the law into their own hands— tribalism. We are going to see more and more of that with these woke DAs who are refusing to prosecute no matter the evidence including for having shootouts in the street ( yes, Kim Foxx did that even though the incident was on video).
Look what allegedly happened in NYC, a woman was beaten with a stick while on the ground . The cops got there while the man was still there . They let him go. I’m still waiting for all of the facts to come out but the two cops are now being investigated.
Go to the police forums and how posters are advising active cops to just do the report and nothing else. It’s happening.
And by the way , qualified immunity gone, who pays the bill? The taxpayers just like all the other lawsuits . Qualified immunity isn’t what you think it is .
Same.I long for the day that either all, or the vast majority of cops in the big cities either leave the job or have mass, week long sick calls.
This civilian not civilian thing is a bit tiring.
Police officers are in fact Civilians.
Definitions have been altered.
There are two types of people, Civilians and Non civilians...
Those in the Military and those that are not in the military.
Being a Paramedic myself I wouldn't even put my job title in the same category of cops. We get shit on frequently by the public. The vast majority of the public see us as a glorified Uber rather than trained medical professionals.No it is not tiring. It is a significant distinction that we as a society have allowed to become blurred since Bush used 9/11 to bamboozle the public into accepting a police state.
There is far too much 'us and them" mentality in law enforcement today.
The widely held notion that private citizens are somehow "lesser" than public servants (of any type whether cop or fireman or paramedic or most certainly definitely absolutely bureaucrat)
Has to cease.
The concept of the public sector as subordinate to the private sector was one of the essential tenants of the Founding Father's vision.
This false division of public servants and private citizens into "civilIan and non-civilian" camps is counter-productive to this ideal and frankly is an intentional piece of social engineering on the part of our so-called leaders.
Leaders, pah! Our "leaders" couldn't find a man dying of thirst water if they were on a boat in the middle of lake Erie.
Being a Paramedic myself I wouldn't even put my job title in the same category of cops. We get shit on frequently by the public. The vast majority of the public see us as a glorified Uber rather than trained medical professionals.