Let’s Talk Statues.

[Marine Cpl]

why is that?

Because people like you, I, and most here will not go to jail to kill people that need killing. If we would, it would have already happened. There is no need to wait for tomorrow. The line has already been crossed multiple times.

 

[holdover]

No it doesn't work like that. people don't decide to start a civil war. Its more reactionary to events

The civil war in tunisa started with a a man burning himself to death in protest.

The civil war in Egypt began with massive protests. these people didn't decide or plan to start a war.

 

[IrishMick]

What GOPerfect posted. See the video on How WWIII will be Fought on The Corbett Report youtube channel.

 

[Marine Cpl]

No it doesn't work like that. people don't decide to start a civil war. Its more reactionary to events

The civil war in tunisa started with a a man burning himself to death in protest.

The civil war in Egypt began with massive protests. these people didn't decide or plan to start a war.

You are always comparing 3rd world countries where people have nothing there to lose to here where people have mortgages, pensions, cars, yearly Disney land vacations, 401K’s, bonuses, etc.

People get killed and beat up by minorities everyday here and nothing is done. Police constantly go against our freedoms and nothing is done. Our businesses burn and nothing is done. Our kids get abused mentally by our school systems and nothing is done.

Why? Because we are fat, lazy, and content for the most part. If we were hungry and didn’t know where our next meal will come from things would be different.

It’s always tomorrow. Never today. Always tomorrow.

I’m not driving 5 hrs. Anyone who stands armed in front of a business is setting himself up for failure. Why would you go armed to a rally at a statue? It isn’t my problem. If you don’t want to be arrested, stay away from the statue. My life is not worth a statue. They haven’t burned down the business in my town yet. They burned down the businesses in my town but haven’t burned my house down yet. One day they are going to push to far. Ect.

 

[Chevusa]

What we are seeing now is not organic. The trouble is all happening in democratic controlled cities where it is being allowed to happen and encouraged. The left has a candidate they know cannot win without lying, cheating and stealing the election. That is what the madness is all about. They want to muddy the waters as much as possible and distract from that fact. The race war was just a convenient excuse. I do expect it to get even worse after Trump wins reelection in those same democratic areas. Wait till he nominates another conservative Justice. Same riots, same cities.

 

[@thewheels]

You are always comparing 3rd world countries where people have nothing there to lose to here where people have mortgages, pensions, cars, yearly Disney land vacations, 401K’s, bonuses, etc.

People get killed and beat up by minorities everyday here and nothing is done. Police constantly go against our freedoms and nothing is done. Our businesses burn and nothing is done. Our kids get abused mentally by our school systems and nothing is done.

Why? Because we are fat, lazy, and content for the most part. If we were hungry and didn’t know where our next meal will come from things would be different.

That very well may be the case.
It depends on how much pain average America needs to experience before it gets fed up.
I don't think it's next month imminent. I could be wrong. But maybe next year or even next decade?
IMO, There's a lot of straw on the camel's back as you noted above but real Americans as a whole have a really big back.
And I believe there's way more straw coming.

 

[Criticalt]

Yeah. I guess I’m seeing it wrong. You are correct. We are at war now technically. I’m talking more so the battle aspect of it. I do not see that ever happening.

Maybe a group here and there where things get out of hand like what happened at the New Mexico statue incident and days or weeks or months later another incident but a full fledged civil war where there are planned battles and missions? No. I do not ever see that happening.

Over the ladt few years the left have been arming up specifically to protect themselves from us......and Trump.
This is great for gun rights but points to their getting ready for something.
With both sides collecting guns to protect from the other side, something is gonna happen.
You can only hold back two game dogs for so long.

Opinion | Rise of the Armed Left (Published 2018)

Threats from the right inspire a new left-wing gun culture.

www.nytimes.com

And, you dont need lots of planned missions and logistics to have a civil war.....look at the Congo, Rwanda, Uganda.
Occational, small skirmishes can lean the battle to one side or the other.

 

[E the massive]

Over the ladt few years the left have been arming up specifically to protect themselves from us......and Trump.
This is great for gun rights but points to their getting ready for something.
With both sides collecting guns to protect from the other side, something is gonna happen.
You can only hold back two game dogs for so long.

Opinion | Rise of the Armed Left (Published 2018)

Threats from the right inspire a new left-wing gun culture.

www.nytimes.com

And, you dont need lots of planned missions and logistics to have a civil war.....look at the Congo, Rwanda, Uganda.
Occational, small skirmishes can lean the battle to one side or the other.

People might forget how huge the US is compared to other countries.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Over the ladt few years the left have been arming up specifically to protect themselves from us......and Trump.
This is great for gun rights but points to their getting ready for something.
With both sides collecting guns to protect from the other side, something is gonna happen.
You can only hold back two game dogs for so long.

Opinion | Rise of the Armed Left (Published 2018)

Threats from the right inspire a new left-wing gun culture.

www.nytimes.com

And, you dont need lots of planned missions and logistics to have a civil war.....look at the Congo, Rwanda, Uganda.
Occational, small skirmishes can lean the battle to one side or the other.

And you know what will happen? When one side fires on the other, it will be squashed by the police. That’s the extent of it. There isn’t going to be a group of hunters from Erie county going to say,” Honey. That was a good dinner. Tomorrow I’m going to war. Will the pot roast be done by the time I get back?”

The only way a REAL Civil War will happen is if the government went house to house putting people in camps and taking away weapons.

 

[holdover]

I wasn't comparing third world countries per say, I was demonstrating civil wars in recent times, ergo, Libya Tunisia, Egypt, I could not demonstrate a western civil war in recent history . If I said the French revolution you would have said it was 200 years ago . Cut me a little slack here. were talking about historical causes of civil war. I tried to use something fairly recent.

Do you have a better suggestion?

 

[holdover]

The Police? LOL yeah the police are going to squash it , the same ones that are being defunded, de balled and told to stand down? The ones that are demonized in the press everyday?

 

[holdover]

Note in every instance, the civil wars began with large protests and demonstrations .These are always precursors to a civil war. Its an indication marker . large scale demonstrations are telling us something is wrong with the system .

The War in Donbass is an armed conflict in the Donbass region of Ukraine. From the beginning of March 2014, protests by Russian-backed anti-government groups took place in the Donetsk and Luhanskoblasts of Ukraine, commonly collectively called the "Donbass", in the aftermath of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution and the Euromaidan movement. These demonstrations, which followed the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation (February to March 2014), and which were part of a wider group of concurrent pro-Russian protests across southern and eastern Ukraine, escalated into an armed conflict between the separatist forces of the self-declared Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR respectively), and the Ukrainian government.[25] In the Donetsk People's Republic, from May 2014 until a change of the top leadership in August 2014,[26] some of the top leaders were Russian citizens.[27] According to the Ukrainian government, at the height of the conflict in mid-2014, Russian paramilitaries were reported to make up between 15% to 80% of the combatants.[27]

 

[togmaster]

Theres a war coming, Just a matter of time before it starts.

It already has.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I wasn't comparing third world countries per say, I was demonstrating civil wars in recent times, ergo, Libya Tunisia, Egypt, I could not demonstrate a western civil war in recent history . If I said the French revolution you would have said it was 200 years ago . Cut me a little slack here. were talking about historical causes of civil war. I tried to use something fairly recent.

Do you have a better suggestion?

Suggestion? No. My point was that there will be no civil war.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The Police? LOL yeah the police are going to squash it , the same ones that are being defunded, de balled and told to stand down? The ones that are demonized in the press everyday?

If you got up right now and gunned down protesters in Rochester with 12 of your buddies, are you saying that the police will not respond?

 

[holdover]

No. But during a full blown riot, They re not going to be very enthusiastic to find the people who stopped the looters.or the guys who burned down their station

Dont expect them to come to the rescue so fast, if you know what I mean. Ask Airborne guy how fast he or his buddys are going to respond to someone shooting looters call? Hes going to stop by Tim Hortons on his way .

 

[holdover]

Suggestion? No. My point was that there will be no civil war.

Well that may be true , it may not. But the tinder for a fire is there, if a spark lands on it. it may or may not start a fire. We are not psychics. what I am seeing is the potential for a civil war based on historical evidence. It doesn't look good. I can see the left becoming very emboldened by whats happened recently. I can only see this escalating.

Politically, Trump cant really respond with any kind of force or he could have a WACO type event on his hands. I can see the democrats encouraging this even more . And with the NOD of the mayors and governors and the small resistance from police, You can bet this is going to get even worse

 

[S&W Fan]

Look what they have planned for us .....

I’ll extend a personal invitation to this asshat to come to my home and ply his wares.

 

[meketrefe]

Maybe Europeans want to get rid of millions of structures left form the romans and Rome itself to be dismanteled, renamed
and /or relocated. My Europeans Celt ancestors suffered a lot by the hands of the Romans.
Native americans will need all the US cities and infrastructure to be demolished and then the land restored
to its original natural beauty.
Maybe Egypt's pyramids are next a monument to slavery and torture?
What would they do with Berlin birth place of the 3rd Reich.
The autobahn might be demolished since it was one of Hitlers big projects. Those people using it today they
have no sympathy!

The overseas Antifa (Taliban) already started blowing up anything they do not like...

 

[meketrefe]

I’ll extend a personal invitation to this asshat to come to my home and ply his wares.

This type of liberal mindset is a mental illness and it should be treated.
I am not joking.

 

[S&W Fan]

This type of liberal mindset is a mental illness and it should be treated.
I am not joking.

Agreed. Treatment should undoubtedly start with electrical shock treatment followed closely on its heels with a lobotomy.
I’m not joking either.

 

[ricklovin93]

Be very worried when people are trying to erase history.

I appreciate all statues, regardless of my personal opinions on the subject of that statue.
I've gotta admit, when I went to Gettysburg last spring, General Lee's statue on the battlefield was one of the most awe shocking and "badass" statues on the entire battlefield.

Am I a "confederate sympathizer"? No. But I appreciate the sacrifice made by both sides of the civil war.

 

[meketrefe]

Be very worried when people are trying to erase history.

I appreciate all statues, regardless of my personal opinions on the subject of that statue.
I've gotta admit, when I went to Gettysburg last spring, General Lee's statue on the battlefield was one of the most awe shocking and "badass" statues on the entire battlefield.

Am I a "confederate sympathizer"? No. But I appreciate the sacrifice made by both sides of the civil war.

Same thing I think when I see Egypt's pyramids or the crosses in Trujillo (Inquisition).
I am not a sympathizer of slavery, murder and torture ( only a sick bastard will agree with that), but I see them as part of history and
as a reminder we had a history as humans and perhaps we can even learn from it by talking to our kids about the huge amount
of suffering that was involved.

Today anyone can visit Auschwitz including the ovens where they used to burn the dead.
Why was not that demolished and every trace of that made disappear?
Very simple, people can go there and see what humans are capable of and something that was an instrument of
horror now becomes a memorial and a place to learn from history and to understand how bad humans can be if we
do not learn from history and our mistakes.

So it is not about how "anyone" feels about that building but how the majority should see that and to be used as an important part
of our education. History is so complicated that otherwise there is the potential that everything and anything can be offensive
someone.

People worry too much about how everyone feels instead of how good is the education they are getting is.

 

[Criticalt]

And you know what will happen? When one side fires on the other, it will be squashed by the police. That’s the extent of it. There isn’t going to be a group of hunters from Erie county going to say,” Honey. That was a good dinner. Tomorrow I’m going to war. Will the pot roast be done by the time I get back?”

The only way a REAL Civil War will happen is if the government went house to house putting people in camps and taking away weapons.

Which is not off the table with the likes of Cuomo, Pelosi, Shumer, Norton, the Squad......
And.....never eat pot roast before a battle....its a bit heavy.

 

[Criticalt]

People might forget how huge the US is compared to other countries.

Which makes it much easier for quick in and out missions, again like Central Africa. The local governments and the UN in those countries have been fighting rebel groups for decades but due to the rebels in and out strategy, the government troops cant catch them.
These techniques have been used in guerilla warfare for centuries.
This is how the Taliban and Al Qaeda have lasted so long against the full might of the US military.
Im just saying that its not impossible for this to happen. The leftists like to say that citizens could NEVER stand up against the US military and laugh at the very thought....but, they have no idea how wrong they are.
You give a few MILLION decently trained ex- military, ex-leo and civilian troops the push they need, they could cause alot of trouble.
Also, I know 3 cops personally and all 3 said if something like this goes down, they will remove their badges and stay home to protect their families.
I also know alot of current and retired military who say they will never fight US citizens......some will, some wont.
So if half of the stateside military will fight citizens, thats about 1 million troops. I can see the citizen "army" being much larger.
And, if like the leftists say will happen and the US government uses missles and nukes on citizens, I see that number rising fast.

Of course this is all hypothetical and I nor anyone I know have any plans to start any fights.

 

[Dr. Evil]

"Every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”- '1984,'GeorgeOrwell
100percentfedup.com

 

[spat]

Yeah. I get that. But think ahead. Past the dislike. Go to the execution phase of the dislike. So you think democrats are going to arm up? If so then what? Are they just going to start randomly killing people on the street? Will the police just step aside?

Maybe a skirmish here or there may happen but an ongoing civil war? No. Far fetched.

Have you seen Seattle lately ?

Literally democrats arming up and violently expelling conservatives from parts of a city. Democrats ordering the police to stand down and let them.

 

[spat]

Yeah. I guess I’m seeing it wrong. You are correct. We are at war now technically. I’m talking more so the battle aspect of it. I do not see that ever happening.

Maybe a group here and there where things get out of hand like what happened at the New Mexico statue incident and days or weeks or months later another incident but a full fledged civil war where there are planned battles and missions? No. I do not ever see that happening.

Are you familiar with the history of most civil wars ?

How do you think they all started ?

 

[spat]

You are always comparing 3rd world countries where people have nothing there to lose to here where people have mortgages, pensions, cars, yearly Disney land vacations, 401K’s, bonuses, etc.

People get killed and beat up by minorities everyday here and nothing is done. Police constantly go against our freedoms and nothing is done. Our businesses burn and nothing is done. Our kids get abused mentally by our school systems and nothing is done.

Why? Because we are fat, lazy, and content for the most part. If we were hungry and didn’t know where our next meal will come from things would be different.

It’s always tomorrow. Never today. Always tomorrow.

I’m not driving 5 hrs. Anyone who stands armed in front of a business is setting himself up for failure. Why would you go armed to a rally at a statue? It isn’t my problem. If you don’t want to be arrested, stay away from the statue. My life is not worth a statue. They haven’t burned down the business in my town yet. They burned down the businesses in my town but haven’t burned my house down yet. One day they are going to push to far. Ect.

You make the mistake of assuming that the prosperity we currently enjoy will continue.

It will not.

Venezuela was a fully developed country not that long ago. Maybe 3rd in the hemisphere behind US and Canada.

If you suddenly found yourself living in Venezuela do you think you might be ready to fight ?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Venezuela never had the things we enjoy. It was always 3rd world. And if we lose those things we enjoy and fall down to that level, things will then be different. That’s what I’ve been saying.

As far as history goes, show me modern 1st world societies with prosperity that have had a civil war.