Lets talk Red Dots on handguns

Will556 · Dec 7, 2020

speedkills27 said:
Hate to break up the hate fest, but I figured I'll get this thread back on track.

I recently adopted a Gen 5 Glock 17 MOS from a friend who passed. When I got the gun he had a Burris fast fire mounted to it. After taking it to the range I discovered quickly that the Fast Fire is trash. The dot wasn't as crisp as my RMR, it flickered on recoil, The buttons were clumsy and hard to press, and it doesn't have a shake awake or constant on feature. Ever since taking the red dot class with @OnSight Firearms Training I've been itching to try a Holosun 507C, so I bought myself one for Christmas.

After doing some reading and Youtubing it seemed like the general consensus was that the weakest link in the MOS system are the plates. So I also ordered a C&H Precision V4 mounting plate.

This is a side by side of the two plates, the further being the stock Glock plate. The C&H plate offers 4 positive indexing points for the sight to mount to as opposed to only two on the stock plate.
Plate and sight fit like a glove and looks good too.

it filled the awkward space between the optic and the slide cut.
I took the gun to the range this weekend to zero and familiarize myself with the new optic. I only got about 100 rounds through it this session but on first impression its dope. The field of view seems much bigger than my RMR making catching the dot on a draw much easier and faster. Playing around with the multi-reticle settings was fun but I'm not sure how useful the circle dot or circle only will be in the future. Cant wait to get more rounds downrange and/or a class and really put this thing through its paces to see how it holds up.

Good stuff man. Positive choice...now back to the hatefest! :ROFL:

Will556 · Dec 7, 2020

Just Kiddin’...it’s refreshing when I see people buy quality gear. Not throwing an NcSTAR on and calling it GuUd EnUfF!

speedkills27 · Dec 7, 2020

Ill put off brand or cheap parts on guns I dont consider as defensive guns. I have a PC9 I put a cheap Vortex dot and no name MLok hand stop on because its just a plinker, but when it comes to defensive use guns they get the best I can afford. Never cheap out on sights, triggers, or mags

Will556 · Dec 7, 2020

speedkills27 said:
Ill put off brand or cheap parts on guns I dont consider as defensive guns. I have a PC9 I put a cheap Vortex dot and no name MLok hand stop on because its just a plinker, but when it comes to defensive use guns they get the best I can afford. Never cheap out on sights, triggers, or mags

I agree that your defensive guns should absolutely have the better gear if you can’t have the higher quality gear on everything. I try and keep all my guns running quality gear all the time, but everyone’s situation is different and understandable. I kind of make it a habit that if I ended up grabbing any one of my guns, they work and have what they need to get the job done without worrying about something failing on me. But 100% always use good quality gear on something that you might end up having to protect yourself or someone else’s life.

Defilade · Dec 7, 2020

Defilade · Dec 7, 2020

MikeyCNY · Dec 7, 2020

Defilade said:

Interesting design, I think I had seen it before - looks similar to the SIG SAS "bullseye" sights though not quite. He makes a good point about cover/barricades - I do try to practice different positions at the range but not enough (though I don't have one of those fancy barricade boards or whatever they call it).

Edit: I thought my headphones had died at first.. must just be that vid's audio.

MikeyCNY · Dec 7, 2020

Is the tiny Trijicon RMRcc worth $700?

In this episode of TFBTV, James Reeves puts the Trijicon RMRcc to a full review. While many people were excited about the introduction of this new optic, some remain understandably skeptical. James goes over, in detail, the pros and cons of the brand new Trijicon RMRcc.

www.thefirearmblog.com

No doubt it's built like a tank, but the combination of $700 price tag and requiring proprietary plates.. ooof.

Also not sure I agree with James' declaration that any pistol shot over 10 yards would be murder.. would such a shot be rare? Absolutely. But not unheard of.

Phazer · Dec 7, 2020

MikeyCNY said:
Is the tiny Trijicon RMRcc worth $700?

In this episode of TFBTV, James Reeves puts the Trijicon RMRcc to a full review. While many people were excited about the introduction of this new optic, some remain understandably skeptical. James goes over, in detail, the pros and cons of the brand new Trijicon RMRcc.

www.thefirearmblog.com

No doubt it's built like a tank, but the combination of $700 price tag and requiring proprietary plates.. ooof.

Will556 · Dec 9, 2020

Edwardteach72 said:
Not to fall back onto the other days nonsense..

But I would like to think I played a part in bullying this guy into accepting the MSP class

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Hopefully it doesn’t end up being a negative experience and he’s unable to absorb the full potential of the class since he also will be dividing his focus on reviewing a new pistol to evaluate (God forbid it’s like an optic ready Springfield XD with a Firefield MRDS). He might end up not enjoying shooting whichever pistol he’s going to be bringing. Which can cause his experience as a whole to be less enjoyable and he won’t be apt to retain some of the Jedi red dot knowledge.

speedkills27 · Dec 9, 2020

dont expect him to change his opinion, being counter narrative is good for his business. The more views on his videos and follows on socials the more ad revenue. It doesn't matter whether or not its correct and the new standard. VSO is a relatively small no name channel, hooking on to someone like Jedlinski and going viral is gold for VSO.

Will556 · Dec 9, 2020

speedkills27 said:
dont expect him to change his opinion, being counter narrative is good for his business. The more views on his videos and follows on socials the more ad revenue. It doesn't matter whether or not its correct and the new standard. VSO is a relatively small no name channel, hooking on to someone like Jedlinski and going viral is gold for VSO.

I was trying to be hopeful and optimistic lol

Will556 · Dec 9, 2020

Edwardteach72 said:
As much as I hope he gets a good experience i am with @speedkills27 on this one.

VsO is a James Yeager camper and until Yeager says they are good, VSO will still say dont use them.

And as you can see from his shit videos everything he tries to use as a negative to having them on a handgun is actual a positive that he just says in a negative tone.

Also its a bit shit that he plans on using that free class as a way to evaluate a new handgun.. unless its not the out of the box start of the evaluation I guess that will be ok.

But once again chalking this up to a win for bullying in the gun community

That was the main point I was making. If he was serious about the class and honestly wanted to learn more about red dots on pistols and how beneficial they are, then he would be showing up with a pistol he’s used to, manipulates well, and shoots proficiently with (obviously with a decent red dot). But he chooses instead to take the opportunity and divide his attention on numerous things, when really he should be in a complete student mindset and try and retain everything be taught during the class.

Will556 · Dec 9, 2020

Edwardteach72 said:
I mean I think at this point we can all agree the dude is a POS soo I guess we can't be all that suprised that he's using this FREE class as a way to make money both from reviews and stiring the pot

I’m so glad that when I checked out his stupid video that I wasn’t following his YouTube channel. Because I was going to unfollow immediately...didn’t have to. lol

Will556 · Dec 9, 2020

Edwardteach72 said:
I had to check as well, cause I've mad mistakes in the past (really do need to sit down and clean up my subs)

I've only stayed following on IG for the lulz

I’m not even giving him the benefit of that either. I’ll probably watch a little bit of the dumpster fire that he will call a review of MSP’s class. But I really don’t want to give him more views.

Will556 · Dec 9, 2020

Edwardteach72 said:
Oh im not watching his videos any more I killed enough brain cells as is on 3 of his videos.

And im going to stay following his IG to see if and when he posts about his time with Jedi

I’ll have to live vicariously through you, lol. Post your findings.

OnSight Firearms Training · Dec 9, 2020

Shameless plug.

https://oftllc.us/event/precision-red-dot-pistol-2/

togmaster · Dec 10, 2020

OnSight Firearms Training said:
Shameless plug.

https://oftllc.us/event/precision-red-dot-pistol-2/

I would consider this more of a PSA than a plug. This is an excellent class. Get out there and train.

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