Celt
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Yep, although at typical handgun range i imagine its neglible.
Lets talk Red Dots on handguns
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Yeah, the moot point of round count is what I was referring to the unSafe Act. If it were my decision, I’d definitely choose a 17 over a 21 but that’s me. The one thing I would say is don’t get the MOS version. Optics sit higher than they should with it. I’d get a standard version of it and then send the slide out to be milled.
Honestly (I don't have the pics any more) the size difference between a 19 and a 17 is negligible IMHO
The manufacturer dimensions put the glock 19 at .43" short than a Glock 17 (G19= 5.04" / G17= 5.47")
So just shy of half an inch. So think to yourself is that .43" going to be so much harder to conceal that its worth going to a gun that fits shittier in the hand?
The length of the slide isn’t the dimension of the gun that’s really a big difference in concealing, it’s the grip length. The grip is what will print much more than the slide length. The additional length in the slide will just add additional length downward. As long as you can conceal the slightly larger grip of the 17 without an issue, go 17. It seems like you can because if you own a 21 and are able to conceal that, than a 17 won’t be an issue.
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That is the height of the gun not the length of the slide
Oh ok gotcha, I read it quick while giving my little guy a bath. lol
To really throw people off that say a G17 is to large to carry but then carry say a P320 compact.. the G17 is only .17" taller than the P320 COMPACT.
Or let's take the HK VP9.. thats considered a carry gun. The G17 is only .06" taller.
G17 isn't some monster size gun everything thinks it is
Or let's take the HK VP9.. thats considered a carry gun. The G17 is only .06" taller.
G17 isn't some monster size gun everything thinks it is
Celt
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The barrel is easy, the extra grip length is what shows more, but even that is a small difference.
Again there is less than half an inch difference in size between thr g19 and g17 in height.. from thr top of the rear sight to the bottom of the magazine
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Xae289
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As far as grip and concealability goes, it's all about body build, position, and holster, I think. A G35 (same grip as G17) prints like crazy on me worn at 3:00 where the G19 barely printed at all there and a G27 grip didn't print. For reference, I'm 5'7 and was about 200 lbs at the time when I owned it, so the fat pushing the grip out sideways definitely didn't help me conceal it. I concealed ithe G35 with almost no printing worn appendix, but that was extremely uncomfortable whenever I had to sit down. For a taller, skinny friend of mine, he can conceal a full-sized G35 at 3:00 just fine. Another lean friend that's my same height likes to appendix carry a full-sized 1911 and doesn't print or say it's uncomfortable. I've lost weight since then and my S&W 629 disappears on my hip worn IWB at 3:00 in a Simply Rugged Sourdough holster and it's a significantly bigger gun than a Glock 35 (though thinner everywhere but the cylinder).
To me, carry guns and holsters are just like any other article of clothing. What fits me might not fit you and vice versa, so it's best if you can try it on to see for yourself.
To me, carry guns and holsters are just like any other article of clothing. What fits me might not fit you and vice versa, so it's best if you can try it on to see for yourself.
Ordering one of these as I have Vortex Venom's on both my M&P 40/9 and M&P 22. Only $ 19.99.
I just saw your other post and was about to deep dive into srt website
I've been shooting Steel with the M&P 22 from low-ready once I start with the M&P 40/9 this will me a big help! As I will need to be drawing from the holster.
Phazer
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I looked into this pretend red dot for my SIRT pistol. The only problem is that I like to use laser-detecting smartphone apps to record hits on targets. This method requires using the pre-fire laser as the "red dot" visualized through the empty plastic housing. That would mess up my app detection. Plus, being able to adjust your window by seeing the "red dot" at a distance is not all that realistic.
I'm going to look into an airsoft quality pistol red dot for my SIRT pistol.
Perhaps something like this cheap RMR clone mounted on a universal rear-sight dovetail plate:
RMR Red Dot Sight with Weaver-Picatinny Mount for Pistol/Rifle/Shotgun | eBay
If there is no screw hole in the middle of the slot of your gun, The mount of this RMR will not fit. Red Dot Sight. Reticle Pattern : 3.25 MOA Dot. Night Reticle Color : Red. Bindon Aiming Concept : No.
www.ebay.com
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For $19.99 I will give it a try, I see your point but if it is easy to change back it may still work???
I looked into this pretend red dot for my SIRT pistol. The only problem is that I like to use laser-detecting smartphone apps to record hits on targets. This method requires using the pre-fire laser as the "red dot" visualized through the empty plastic housing. That would mess up my app detection. Plus, being able to adjust your window by seeing the "red dot" at a distance is not all that realistic.
I'm going to look into an airsoft quality pistol red dot for my SIRT pistol.
Perhaps something like this cheap RMR clone mounted on a universal rear-sight dovetail plate:
RMR Red Dot Sight with Weaver-Picatinny Mount for Pistol/Rifle/Shotgun | eBay
If there is no screw hole in the middle of the slot of your gun, The mount of this RMR will not fit. Red Dot Sight. Reticle Pattern : 3.25 MOA Dot. Night Reticle Color : Red. Bindon Aiming Concept : No.www.ebay.com
@Phazer after rereading your post, I believe this will work for me as my SIRT is Red/Green and I can reverse the wires and make it Green/Red as the iTarget app did not pickup the green laser. I guessing your Sirt is Red/Red?
And as I said it worth $20.00 to give it a try!
MikeyCNY
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Really good Black Friday sale on red dot milling: Custom Slide Work, Milling and Machining for Glock, Sig, Archon, M&P and CZ Handguns
$80 optic cut and $20 black nitride coating. According to Reddit it does not expire. Very tempting.. I was looking to get the M&P 2.0 Optics Ready model but this might be a better deal.
$80 optic cut and $20 black nitride coating. According to Reddit it does not expire. Very tempting.. I was looking to get the M&P 2.0 Optics Ready model but this might be a better deal.
I had 2 slides done by Jagerwerks. They do excellent work.
Oh damn bold claim..
Jk FN was one of the first companies (if not the first) to offer an OEM optic cut with ther FN45 or whatever it was. And even in the beginning they had a solid design..
I'll have to watch this video after work for sure
Phazer
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Optic Cuts, Slide Milling, and Optics for Glock
Glock slide milling and optic cuts allowing customers to mount red dot sights and enhance the performance of their firearm by Battle Werx.
www.battlewerx.com
Lmao VSO Gun Channel is getting dragged on their IG over red dots on handguns
Yeahhhhh....ummmm...NO! They’re turds. Yes people should become proficient with irons but saying that red dots don’t belong on pistols is literally saying the same for rifles, there’s no technical difference of the usage between the two. If an optic of any sort allows you to put a shot on target better, than it does exactly that...allows you to shoot better. Plain and simple. As long as you have your fundamentals down, I see no downsides to running an optic on a pistol or rifle.
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MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
Wow that seems like an odd position to take.. unless they were being super sarcastic. I've seen a few of his videos (though not a subscriber) and that just screams "well I'm not good at them so they suck" to me.. Five years ago they probably weren't reliable enough on carry guns (except for RMRs obv) but now most of the big name ones (Trijicon, Holosun, maybe a couple others) have been tested that people rely on them. Obviously have a plan for if the optics go down but to just dismiss them seems idiotic.
I forget where I first read it, but the quote goes something like - "There's no such thing as a fair gunfight"
I want every available option to help me win and live - that means reliable firearms, hollowpoint ammo, night sights, red dot, maybe lights etc..
Edit: I should add that I'm still REALLY new to optics on carry pistol - would I recommend it to a new shooter? Well everyone I've shown my 365XL w/ 507k to has loved it, but I think it is still good to have a starting foundation with iron sights.
That said I hate irons on rifles, even on my .22s..
I forget where I first read it, but the quote goes something like - "There's no such thing as a fair gunfight"
I want every available option to help me win and live - that means reliable firearms, hollowpoint ammo, night sights, red dot, maybe lights etc..
Edit: I should add that I'm still REALLY new to optics on carry pistol - would I recommend it to a new shooter? Well everyone I've shown my 365XL w/ 507k to has loved it, but I think it is still good to have a starting foundation with iron sights.
That said I hate irons on rifles, even on my .22s..
Yea no he was being 100% and is talking about putting a video out on why they are dumb or something. Who knows hahaha
I agree, the only thing I would change are lights. Lights definitely belong on a pistol or rifle. I’d dare say that a light should be on them before an optic. You at least have irons to begin with but if it’s dark and you can’t see what you’re looking at and are unable to PID a possible target (or non threat), that optic is 100% useless. Which most people try and use the excuse “That’s why I have night sights”, but that holds no merit. To those people I make the argument that they are willing to align those three little glowing dots in the dark, point their gun into the unknown, and pull the trigger?! I don’t think so.
The other argument is people say that they have a handheld light and that’s all they need. Handhelds definitely have their place. A handheld is better than nothing and is a viable option but sometimes when the shit hits the fan you only have time to grab one of them, I can tell you I’m not grabbing my handheld flashlight instead of my gun. Sometimes the need for a gun is reactive and not proactive.
"Jedi" is a fucking boss
Well I'm doing it, I'm watching his video for some reason