Letter of "Just Cause" - Would like feedback!

[pslovejackie]

Hello, friends!
Would love it if I could receive feedback on this part of the application.

To the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department,

Thank you for taking the time to review my application. I am writing to you for the purpose of stating my just cause to be a NYS pistol permit holder under the sportsperson specification. I am an avid outdoorsman who frequently goes on camping and hiking trips - often alone. As a woman, a common fear of mine is encountering an unfriendly person (or animal) while alone in the woods.
Having the ability to arm myself would ensure my safety and wellbeing. I believe it is imperative to take the necessary steps to be able to legally protect myself in the event of an attack by either another person or an aggressive animal.
In addition to the necessity for protection, I also frequently attend shooting ranges to participate in target and skeet shooting. In the future I would love to participate in tactical shooting competitions - many of which require the shooter to use a pistol (and thus have a pistol permit). Attending ranges and participating in shooting competitions encourages the growth of my skill with firearms, which would in turn help me protect myself if God forbid I ever need to do so.
I am a strong proponent of the necessity of thorough background checks for firearm applicants as well as very serious about gun safety. All firearms purchased would be stored in a locked safe (which I currently own) at all times when not in use. There are no children in my household, and two members of the household currently hold NYS pistol permits. I believe it is the responsibility of any firearm owner to be extremely cautious and responsible at all times during both the operation and the storage of their firearms.
In closing, I am confident that you will see me as a fit candidate to be granted a NYS pistol permit due to my training and experience with the operation and safety of firearms as well as strong moral character. I look forward to receiving your reply, and I would like to thank you again for taking the time to review my application and to read my letter.

 

[BDinPutnam]

I type too fast.



I wasn't aware you need to write a letter for anything other than an unrestricted concealed carry- has that changed? I got my permit under Judge Reitz and Sherrif Smith; now we are dealing with Judge Spofford and Sherrif Langley, I have not had any dealings yet so cant offer any insight there.

 

[Bananabandit]

Denied!

Next NY peasant.

 

[dsdmmat]

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

 

[pslovejackie]

BD,

It has! Lengthy list of requirements for this application - it is certainly a bit intimidating for me. My FIL said the same thing - he was surprised I was being required to submit a letter of just cause too.

Banana,

Lol!! No, please sir! I swear I am not a bad peasant!!

 

[Bananabandit]

BD,

It has! Lengthy list of requirements for this application - it is certainly a bit intimidating for me. My FIL said the same thing - he was surprised I was being required to submit a letter of just cause too.

Banana,

Lol!! No, please sir! I swear I am not a bad peasant!!

We had the opportunity to write something like this for our application, if we chose to. It did no good, cause Judges and shit.

Good luck! Let us know the results!

Im way upstate though.

 

[Darth]

"Unfriendly person." Bad wording. We can't shoot people for not being friendly.

And on a personal note "I am a strong proponent of the necessity of thorough background checks for firearm applicants" is the exact mindset that made that letter pleading to the crown necessary.

 

[pslovejackie]

Banana,

Interesting you had the option! I would def submit it to beef up chances. It's really annoying that judges can use their own opinions to deny good people permits, agreed. Will let y'all know if I'm declared a good or bad peasant! Thanks!!

Darth,

You are 100% right, that will be edited lol. Very bad wording.
& very true, I have just personally known more than a few mentally unstable people who were granted permits & shouldn't have been. Frightening situations. I'm completely supportive of stable and moral people owning guns (and would advise them to do so!) - the more gun owners, the safer the population is in my opinion.

 

[Curmudgeon]

I'll probably catch hate for this, but pleading for a natural right is complete and utter bullshit and the prime reason I refuse to submit to the NYS PP process.

60 miles NNE or 30 miles WSW puts you in VT or PA.

 

[Darth]

Banana,

Interesting you had the option! I would def submit it to beef up chances. It's really annoying that judges can use their own opinions to deny good people permits, agreed. Will let y'all know if I'm declared a good or bad peasant! Thanks!!

Darth,

You are 100% right, that will be edited lol. Very bad wording.
& very true, I have just personally known more than a few mentally unstable people who were granted permits & shouldn't have been. Frightening situations. I'm completely supportive of stable and moral people owning guns (and would advise them to do so!) - the more gun owners, the safer the population is in my opinion.

Wait until you find out that most states don't "grant permits", because permits are a rediculous concept, and they get by just fine.

Is there a morality test for owning a gun? Because I'd absolutly fail that if administrated by most on here.

 

[cgrutt]

This is just a random opinion from the interwebz so take it for what its worth... personally if the question was specifically just cause I'd leave out all the stuff about your personal beliefs about background checks, safe storage etc as it does not respond directly to question. I'd also wouldn't emphasize hypothetical scenarios about you potentially having to use a handgun for self defense. Keep it short and sweet and on point. Female outdoorsmen (or woman/person/whatever term you like) spending time alone in woods and participation in shooting sports. Also while not on point putting a short sentence about your understanding of Art 35 probably wouldn't hurt. People that will be reading this will probably only be spending a few seconds on it to check off a box for the process. Dont add anything that could work against you. Good luck.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Wait until you find out that most states don't "grant permits", because permits are a rediculous concept, and they get by just fine.

Is there a morality test for owning a gun? Because I'd absolutly fail that if administrated by most on here.

Even if there was a test it would be hard to take while bound in duct tape. Maybe that's why you'd fail. Ever think of that?

I'm reporting you to the authorities.

 

[GOYABEAN]

BD,

It has! Lengthy list of requirements for this application - it is certainly a bit intimidating for me. My FIL said the same thing - he was surprised I was being required to submit a letter of just cause too.

Banana,

Lol!! No, please sir! I swear I am not a bad peasant!!

News flash in eye's all peasants are bad only the privileged politicians and scumbag gangbangers and illegals are the chosen few

 

[pslovejackie]

Darth,

NYS is annoying. Would love to move. My comment towards morality was geared towards people I've known who were wife beaters & one who suffered from schizophrenia with aggressive tendencies.

cgrutt,

I only included that because I felt like I had to.... I did feel a bit strange typing it out, so I'm glad you said this. Thank you so much for the advice, have a great day!!

 

[Darth]

Even if there was a test it would be hard to take while bound in duct tape. Maybe that's why you'd fail. Ever think of that?

I'm reporting you to the authorities.

It wasn't hard to pass the foot licking test...

But don't scare the poor girl off just yet.

 

[Darth]

Darth,

NYS is annoying. Would love to move. My comment towards morality was geared towards people I've known who were wife beaters & one who suffered from schizophrenia with aggressive tendencies.

cgrutt,

I only included that because I felt like I had to.... I did feel a bit strange typing it out, so I'm glad you said this. Thank you so much for the advice, have a great day!!

But the thing is, wife beaters get guns with our without BGCs. See : The huge rate of domestic abuse among cops. BGCs do nothing except keep people from owning guns, regardless of their moral standing.

 

[Curmudgeon]

But the thing is, wife beaters get guns with our without BGCs. See : The huge rate of domestic abuse among cops. BGCs do nothing except keep people from owning guns, regardless of their moral standing.

This is about letters of justification, not BGC's though. Right?

 

[pslovejackie]

Darth,

The problem is anti-gun politicians refusing people their 2nd amendment right due to their own personal beliefs.
I don't see a reason why I'd be denied a permit, so if they declare me a good peasant (as they should) then that's one more person in the population that won't be a sitting duck for the illegally obtained crazies. I'm just another participant in the rat race trying to do what she can.
It is impossible to gear a person's moral standing, but if someone's been known to suffer from paranoid psychotic escapades I think it would logical to avoid arming them, although they may go and just do it themselves illegally - which is why I'd like to arm myself to combat it.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Is a sportsmen's permit full concealed? If not, you're talking home defense? Likely better options for that IMO.

 

[pslovejackie]

Curmudgeon,

It isn't, there's a separate application for that you fill out after being given the sportsmen permit.
There are no options for home defense on this application, or else I would totally apply for that one.
The only options are sportsmen's, hunting and target (which to me is almost identical but whatever), and business purposes.
I plan on applying for full concealed immediately after being granted this permit.

Edit: But for home defense, we have a bounty of rifles.

 

[Darth]

I highly suggest reading and understanding penal law section 400. You are applying for a full concealed carry license. The judge may apply administrative restrictions to it, but they have no basis in law.

 

[carpediem]

I agree with the sentiment that it is a damn shame we should have to write anything. Run a BGC, interview my references and finalize the permit. All this Kabuki theater nonsense. Here this well spoken and obviously informed woman, likely not a threat to society, wants to add a tool that she can use to increase her chances should a situation arise where a handgun is required, and she is expected to write a letter "acceptable" to the powers that be.
I would ask "Governor" Monkeyface, pray tell, what type of letter is required for an "immigrant" to be allowed to break federal law in NY, and to have the state facilitate AND DEFEND such violations......

 

[cgrutt]

Sportsman/hunting/target are administrative restrictions placed on your concealed carry license by your county's licensing officer. You will have a full carry permit what you'll be asking for later on is removal of those restrictions. The license itself is full carry.

ETA @Darth beat me to it.

 

[pslovejackie]

Thank you.

So in conclusion, I should be good to go after removing the part where I plan on shooting unfriendly hikers and the end part where I monologue my good character?

 

[BDinPutnam]

I'll have to take a look at the updated forms tomorrow if I get a chance. So what are the other options these days i.e. is there an option that does NOT require writing a letter?

Once upon a time you could either submit your initial app, with a letter, stating you wanted no restrictions from the get go, or you could get your permit, wait six months, take a live fire pistol course and buy (and take pictures of) a safe, and apply for an "upgraded" permit to CC. That would be as recent as two Summers ago.

ETA or you could just submit with no letter and likely get Sports.

 

[cgrutt]

Btw your "sportsman" license (i.e. full carry with administrative restrictions) is certainly good for self-defense in your home there is no other license that you need to apply for.

 

[pslovejackie]

cgrutt,
Oh absolutely! Never had a misconception about that whatsoever. Only would prefer it over the sportsmen license due to it possibly being easier to obtain.

BD,

As far as I can tell from the paperwork I was provided, no. I could be misinformed. But from my comprehension of what I'm reading, this is what we need to do if we want a pistol nowadays

 

[carpediem]

Back when I got my permit, many moons ago, I submitted the form and fingerprints on a Friday. On Monday the pistol clerk called and it had been signed by the judge and was ready to pick up, or I could wait 3 days and she would drop it in the mail. Mind you, my permit is old enough that I put my own thumb print on the back with an ink blotter I had at work, and the photo is taped on......

Damn I miss the good ole' days......

 

[pslovejackie]

Wow. 3 days. My fiance submitted his application so long ago, I don't even remember when he submitted it and we're still waiting.

 

[carpediem]

Well, my daughter turns 21 next month, and she is more than ready to get her permit. I hope she has a somewhat easier go at it as we are still a fairly rural area.