man identified as Trump supporter pulls a gun on rock-throwing Antifa rioters who vandalized his truck, reportedly maced him

[pshift]

Should he have brandished in this scenario? Political opinions aside ..

Video footage captures the moment man identified as Trump supporter pulls a gun on rock-throwing Antifa rioters who vandalized his truck, reportedly maced him | Blaze Media

You have to see it to believe it

www.theblaze.com

 

[@thewheels]

Article sucks or I need more coffee.

They're vandalizing passing cars and attacking drivers with LE around?

 

[Jmac00]

and *they* have pepper spray, which apparently is perfectly ok to spray your victim before beating the piss out of them. Its all good, criminals are now the good guys

 

[Deplorable Me]

Authorities arrested a man — which several news outlets have reported is a Trump supporter — after he pulled a gun on a group of Antifa rioters who reportedly smashed his pickup truck's taillights, sprayed the windshield with paint, and maced him during a Salem, Oregon, riot on Sunday.

I see an attempted hijacking and an assault with an unknown chemical agent.

Screw your Antifa tactics.

 

[Deplorable Me]

and *they* have pepper spray, which apparently is perfectly ok to spray your victim before beating the piss out of them. Its all good, criminals are now the good guys

Alleged pepper spray. There have been acid attacks and attacks with flammable liquids in the past.

 

[drowhawk]

My jaw may have dislocated from dropping so hard. I honestly can't believe what I'm seeing.

They allow the criminal vandalism and menacing from the rioters but as soon as the dude pulls out a firearm (not even in a ready position) he gets put to the ground and handcuffed? What about the rioters pointing the bear mace at him?

And there's STILL folks on here who don't understand why there is such tension with LE.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Should he have brandished in this scenario? Political opinions aside ..

Video footage captures the moment man identified as Trump supporter pulls a gun on rock-throwing Antifa rioters who vandalized his truck, reportedly maced him | Blaze Media

You have to see it to believe it

www.theblaze.com

It was NOT a "brandish".

 

[tirwin1]

I thought Stinchfield's show last night covered it pretty intelligently. His segment on it starts at the 28:00 minute mark.


He of course blasts Antifa but calls out what the guy with the gun did wrong as well as what the cops did right. Pretty balanced assessment I thought.

 

[SomeSoldier]

But if the cop got maced he would be justified in pulling his firearm....... Just wait one of these days someone is going to fuck with the wrong guy, it wont be some older gentleman and they are going to get fucked up. Not all cops are bad but as we were told in the Army, you need to police your own. I still don't understand the point of carrying on an empty chamber.

 

[OwnTheRide]

What the fuck. These animals are out there destroying property and assaulting people, the cops do nothing. A victim pulls a gun on the mob that is physically attacking him, and he gets arrested?

 

[fnfalguy]

If this is the incident I'm thinking of, he was released with no charges, they viewed it as self defense. Not brandishing. He was attacked and pulled the gun to defend self. At that point police had to sort it out and I believe 4 of the rioters ended up getting arrested.

 

[GOPerfect]

If this is the incident I'm thinking of, he was released with no charges, they viewed it as self defense. Not brandishing. He was attacked and pulled the gun to defend self. At that point police had to sort it out and I believe 4 of the rioters ended up getting arrested.

Thank you. This is the true story. When the Police arrived, they did not know what occurred. They investigated, found the truth and released all innocent individuals.

 

[drowhawk]

Thank you. This is the true story. When the Police arrived, they did not know what occurred. They investigated, found the truth and released all innocent individuals.

I've never been so relieved to read one of your posts. LOL

 

[GOPerfect]

I've never been so relieved to read one of your posts. LOL

I'm not all that quick... Not sure what this means. Why are you relived?

 

[drowhawk]

I'm not all that quick... Not sure what this means. Why are you relived?

I thought you were going to tell us he was charged with 5 felonies and the rioter that maced him was given an award. Instead you gave us relatively good news.

 

[Podmonkey]

Systembos against us, LE is the enemy, no better than ANTIFA. You have to pull a gun? Better shoot and keep shooting till you are dead because you will receive no justice.

 

[GOPerfect]

Systembos against us, LE is the enemy, no better than ANTIFA. You have to pull a gun? Better shoot and keep shooting till you are dead because you will receive no justice.

This guy received some justice. He was actually aided by the Police!

 

[Podmonkey]

This guy received some justice. He was actually aided by the Police!

I retract and apologize for my knee-jerk response then. However the perception that the police are against us has expanded to the conservative right.
Law enforcement is going to have to start acting against the political system if things are to improve.
Frankly Democrats and Rinos are going to have to start being arrested and imprisoned. Cops are going to have disobey policy and start arresting and jailing ANTIFA and if the DA tries to cut them loose that DA needs to be locked up with them.
Yes, I am talking about outright rebellion, but rebelling in accordance with the principles of the constitution and the ideals of the Founding Father's.
I don't know what I can do, but if there is something I can do I will do it.

 

[Phazer]

However the perception that the police are against us has expanded to the conservative right.

This is because so many in law enforcement seem very willing to follow unconstitutional legislation and willing use force to disarm law-abiding citizens at the behest of the liberal overlords.

 

[GOPerfect]

I retract and apologize for my knee-jerk response then. However the perception that the police are against us has expanded to the conservative right.
Law enforcement is going to have to start acting against the political system if things are to improve.
Frankly Democrats and Rinos are going to have to start being arrested and imprisoned. Cops are going to have disobey policy and start arresting and jailing ANTIFA and if the DA tries to cut them loose that DA needs to be locked up with them.
Yes, I am talking about outright rebellion, but rebelling in accordance with the principles of the constitution and the ideals of the Founding Father's.
I don't know what I can do, but if there is something I can do I will do it.

I agree. 100%. I have cop friends that are completely on the correct side and way of thought.

I know other cops that are Kool aid drinkers. We, the good, know the bad.

 

[GOPerfect]

This is because so many in law enforcement seem very willing to follow unconstitutional legislation and willing use force to disarm law-abiding citizens at the behest of the liberal overlords.

And many of them are not smart enough to know what is and what is not Constitutional.

 

[Phazer]

And many of them are not smart enough to know what is and what is not Constitutional.

Probably quite accurate.

Ignorant people put in positions of power can be very dangerous when they blindly follow orders.

 

[Cooolone]

OP, What in the world does that mean "political beliefs aside"???

Just curious...

Because that lends to the association that one political belief is good or ok, and others not so much. And that is problematic!

So disagreeable political beliefs in the erasure culture is perfectly ok then...? We shouldn't profess our beliefs? That your political beliefs should be considered when exercising your Rights? And therefore only those in the correct political spectrum are safe or ok exercising them?

Anyone's actions, in defense of a mob/riot activity is solvent regardless of who you worship, who you may align yourself with, especially in regard to politics. There is nothing in our Constitution that aligns any such content. A RIGHT is a RIGHT, regardless of any of that! If you're an atheist, if you refuse to participate in the program, if you are not the right Demographic or Political association... It's all the same! You have a right to defend yourself! Even here in NY...

It's mentally deficient to assume that those around the driver were somehow or another placed in fear by the presence of a firearm, when all else around and in front of them was riotous, unlawful and malfeasant!

So again, what does that mean, to place that aside?

I say wear it, and wear it proudly regardless of what you do, where you do it, when it why! And if anyone has a fucking problem with it, that is their problem not mine! This is some shit... Like what, those who belong to a particular political demographic should stay quiet, silent? Fade to the background because it might not be looked at favorably by others? How does that make sense when there are others that feel the exact opposite, that it's ok to announce loudly their political beliefs, to protest loudly, act unlawfully while professing their beliefs and to cause harm, imagined or real, to persons and property.

Just amazing!...

 

[FrankenCub]

This showed up in my recommendations on YT last night, different source went further into it showing he was justified and released.

 

[Deplorable Me]

On the Left Coast gubbermint administrators tell the National Guard to go home , in DC when they get a dose of reality the little bitches scream for mommy, call in the heavies and build walls. They should arrest the Antifa goonies and make them sleep in the public garages before their trials.

 

[fnfalguy]

Now that I'm no longer moving in a vehicle and near a keyboard, I can add the additional thoughts I could not before. An instructor I had a very long time ago told me something that stuck with me. No matter how righteous you feel your drawing of a weapon or even worse, shoot is, you are going to be drawn down on by law enforcement arriving onsite as they control the scene, you will likely be cuffed and stuffed as they attempt to figure out what actually occurred. They may get a call of a man with a gun, arrive at the scene hyped up and then have to figure out what happened based upon multiple people screaming at the officer's at once and subsequently you will be spending a good portion of your time in limbo waiting for things to sort themselves out and hopefully, it then goes in your favor. In short, any time you pull a gun, unless its localized with a handful of true criminals, who don't tend to file police reports, your day is going to be a big pile of suck if it ends well, and potentially life altering if it doesn't go well. Really pushed me to the path of avoidance as much as I can.

 

[Celt]

And many of them are not smart enough to know what is and what is not Constitutional.

And that is a big part of the problem. If a court rules that red flag laws are ok and a person can have their property taken and rights denied without due process is it Constitutional? I say no, and I firmly believe red flag laws to be unconstitutional, but Im not a judge. So if someone disobeys what they honestly believe is unconstitutional then i say good for them, but it may get them in trouble. Only if large masses of police stop following "unconstitutional" ordersdo we have a chance, otherwise they will just be picked off one by one. Strength in numbers, police unions need to get on the right side of history here.

 

[Phazer]

And that is a big part of the problem. If a court rules that red flag laws are ok and a person can have their property taken and rights denied without due process is it Constitutional?

Ahhh....with revocation of qualified immunity, once you prove that the flagging was unjustified you can sue the officers who carried out the order. You may not win, but you'll be able to share the pain with those who caused it.

 

[dwa12479]

Now that I'm no longer moving in a vehicle and near a keyboard, I can add the additional thoughts I could not before. An instructor I had a very long time ago told me something that stuck with me. No matter how righteous you feel your drawing of a weapon or even worse, shoot is, you are going to be drawn down on by law enforcement arriving onsite as they control the scene, you will likely be cuffed and stuffed as they attempt to figure out what actually occurred. They may get a call of a man with a gun, arrive at the scene hyped up and then have to figure out what happened based upon multiple people screaming at the officer's at once and subsequently you will be spending a good portion of your time in limbo waiting for things to sort themselves out and hopefully, it then goes in your favor. In short, any time you pull a gun, unless its localized with a handful of true criminals, who don't tend to file police reports, your day is going to be a big pile of suck if it ends well, and potentially life altering if it doesn't go well. Really pushed me to the path of avoidance as much as I can.

Thats about the long and short of it.

 

[dwa12479]

Ahhh....with revocation of qualified immunity, once you prove that the flagging was unjustified you can sue the officers who carried out the order. You may not win, but you'll be able to share the pain with those who caused it.

Sadly, cops are often put between a rock and a hard place. If you're following an order yoy believe to be lawful (whether you agree with it or not), and its later deemed unlawful, that's a similar scenario to ex post facto if you're punished for it.