Mean Arms Magazine Lock being sued over Buffalo Top's Shooter illegally removing it.
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NYS Judges may take an oath not to allow enforcement of the NYS or Federal BOR, so that they get a stipend from Xi.
Hochul has seceeded from the Union, and is running a totalitarian monarchy...rule by lipstick, not written laws...Native American Societies were run like this.
That dictionary reference is unique, AND MODERN, PRINTED IN OLD ITALICS.............and is basically modern day propaganda, in regards to well regulated. A KEY DEFINITION..............
Such was put forth in Heller by the libs..........
Regulation firearms, saddles, cannons, uniforms, were the order of the day and the right to keep and bear arms that are miltary equivalents- regulation firearms, is implicit.
Unorganized Militias are by definition the "people." Militias in the Revolution can be seen in Mel Gibbs RW movie...were pretty much well regulated in reference to arms, not discipline.
Read Heller and McDonald, supporting briefs and the decisions.
Hochul has seceeded from the Union, and is running a totalitarian monarchy...rule by lipstick, not written laws...Native American Societies were run like this.
That dictionary reference is unique, AND MODERN, PRINTED IN OLD ITALICS.............and is basically modern day propaganda, in regards to well regulated. A KEY DEFINITION..............
Such was put forth in Heller by the libs..........
Regulation firearms, saddles, cannons, uniforms, were the order of the day and the right to keep and bear arms that are miltary equivalents- regulation firearms, is implicit.
Unorganized Militias are by definition the "people." Militias in the Revolution can be seen in Mel Gibbs RW movie...were pretty much well regulated in reference to arms, not discipline.
Read Heller and McDonald, supporting briefs and the decisions.
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Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
Uh, the Second Amendment that I am familiar with does not specify or categorize the type of arms, but does clearly state that the government may not restrict, hinder, inhibit or remove that right. So, your rant about military weapons is cool and all, but flawed, and risky, as it opens the door for the anti-gunners to ban all modern weapons invented since your “regulation firearms” were hammered out at the local blacksmith’s forge.
“Well regulated” was common parlance which indicated that its object was in proper function. It did not refer to those items which met government specifications, whether they were saddles, boots, weapons, or peanut butter.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
they could be wrong ... that one Judge was really Wrong when he said a RIGHT can be limited .. Bloody hell it can ..
just like it took Rowe v Wade to get removed ..
there not the law of the land ..
The Constitution is ..
Thought I'd update this: now they're going after the Shop that LEGALLY sold the rifle used...next will be the Ammunition Company, Magazine Company, et.al.https://files.constantcontact.com/1dda4795801/fe8e7669-9d72-436d-b136-ab28347b8283.jpg
apologies for linking a picture of the article, it was the best I could do.
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Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Wow.
The issue has not been properly adjudicated........."work arounds", such as the mag lock, bullet button and spur grip have not resulted in any arrests......thousands of them out there.
The Safe Act says..'DESIGNED TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAG,"
No "work arounds" changes that.....a ruling of some sort will come out of this case and as libs run the system..they will rely upon the NYS law.............only SCOTUS can save us from the wrath of aunt jemima.
After the NYS court decision ...possession of any full featured gun, with a mag lock will be a felony, and you may be arrested.
Court will find against the gun store, and state for the record, that "work arounds" are felonies. Mfg'ing an assault weapon is a felony, and the gun store is in deep shit.
The Safe Act says..'DESIGNED TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAG,"
No "work arounds" changes that.....a ruling of some sort will come out of this case and as libs run the system..they will rely upon the NYS law.............only SCOTUS can save us from the wrath of aunt jemima.
After the NYS court decision ...possession of any full featured gun, with a mag lock will be a felony, and you may be arrested.
Court will find against the gun store, and state for the record, that "work arounds" are felonies. Mfg'ing an assault weapon is a felony, and the gun store is in deep shit.
Fuck NY and all its malfeasance towards residents who exercise their 2A RIGHTS!!!
Glad I'm outta here and going where this bullshit doesn't exist! Can walk into an LGS and walk out with my purchases (there), which include so called high capacity magazines, Class III and SBR's etc. (Within Fed Law Processe). And they (State) DO NOT encounter or have/experience the imagined and ridiculous fantasy issues, these mentally deficient political hacks believe will occur, if the hurdles and restrictions put in place here were to be removed!
29 States are now Constitutional Carry and more coming! Soon it's going to be difficult for these Liberal Progressive Bastions to justify their arguments...
Anyways!
Enjoy and Best Regards
Glad I'm outta here and going where this bullshit doesn't exist! Can walk into an LGS and walk out with my purchases (there), which include so called high capacity magazines, Class III and SBR's etc. (Within Fed Law Processe). And they (State) DO NOT encounter or have/experience the imagined and ridiculous fantasy issues, these mentally deficient political hacks believe will occur, if the hurdles and restrictions put in place here were to be removed!
29 States are now Constitutional Carry and more coming! Soon it's going to be difficult for these Liberal Progressive Bastions to justify their arguments...
Anyways!
Enjoy and Best Regards
SA much as NY would gladly disarm any and all, as well as make us controllable as Felons, I find difficulty in the logistics of arresting, confiscating, prosecuting, and incarcerating MILLIONS of New Yorker's...remember it was Cuomo that said there were "millions of assault weapons in NY" and I can tell you for a fact that many, many Rifles have been "modified" and sold since the passage some 11 years ago. There is this thing about Historical president, and during that time, how many Cases against "Assault Weapons" (by NY definition) have been brought forth with a ruling as to IF the "bullet button" or other magazine locking devices make the Rifle compliant or not?
NY also passed legislation that allowed ANYONE and I do mean anyone that had anything to do with that rifle culpable and liable to be sued in Court...Ammunition maker, wholesaler that sold it, even the company that made the sling and it's employees can be sued, it's in the Law!
The old expression here of "follow the money" is 100% applicable. If I am not mistaken, one of, or the main lawyer in this is the same disgusting prick whose firm sued my company in NYS some years back. Here is how the scam works:
First, it follows the Dole v Dow lawsuit routine. What they do is sue ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY that they can somehow link to their case, no matter how remote or nebulous the "connection". Next, they go after all who are insured, and under the law, the parties sued have to admit if they’re insured, and how much coverage they have.
In my case, the MF's sued 45 different companies for damages approximating $150 million. Without getting into specifics that would identify it, they sued the company that supplied the chair; that installed the phone line; the door manufacturer, and on, and on, and on. Then, the real fun begins. The lawyers who get hired to DEFEND those sued are THRILLED, because the insurers will be paying THEIR salaries for years to come. The companies getting sued will petition the court for Summary Judgement to get out, claiming that they have NOTHING to do with this, BUT the NYS Supreme Court judges will have NONE OF THAT! They will keep the defendants in the case UNTIL they agree to pay up SOMETHING in order to be let out of the case. Those suing will keep at it until they collect their 1/3rd of the final award amounts.
It is an utterly corrupt shit show in the extreme. When we got sued, our Insurer, whom we had been with since 1970s immediately denied coverage, and we had to hire a lawyer to go after our own insurer to obtain coverage. Our shitshow lasted 9 years with the Judge REPEATEDLY telling us "to pay up and make a contribution" if we wanted to be let out, BECAUSE "he (the Judge) wanted to see the plaintiff get money". And he even said in open court with me present on multiple occasions that "he wasn't even going to read or look at the Motions made by the defendants" because he wanted to plaintiff to get money. I was beyond disgusted.
It is just one more reason I decided to fold up my companies and move South. FUCK NEW YORKISTAN!
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention it: AFTER having to defend us until the end of the lawsuit (actually there ended up being multiple separate plaintiff lawsuits), what did our insurer do? WHY, they dropped us, of course, AND they dropped EVERY other insured, as they quit writing business insurance in New Yorkistan.
Some would even make the argument that one should only do business in NYS under a corporate shield, with the corporation owning ZERO assets, and to further bankrupt the corporation every few years as an added measure. Who knows though, - I don't think NYS allows that. But, I could care less anymore. I'm out.
First, it follows the Dole v Dow lawsuit routine. What they do is sue ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY that they can somehow link to their case, no matter how remote or nebulous the "connection". Next, they go after all who are insured, and under the law, the parties sued have to admit if they’re insured, and how much coverage they have.
In my case, the MF's sued 45 different companies for damages approximating $150 million. Without getting into specifics that would identify it, they sued the company that supplied the chair; that installed the phone line; the door manufacturer, and on, and on, and on. Then, the real fun begins. The lawyers who get hired to DEFEND those sued are THRILLED, because the insurers will be paying THEIR salaries for years to come. The companies getting sued will petition the court for Summary Judgement to get out, claiming that they have NOTHING to do with this, BUT the NYS Supreme Court judges will have NONE OF THAT! They will keep the defendants in the case UNTIL they agree to pay up SOMETHING in order to be let out of the case. Those suing will keep at it until they collect their 1/3rd of the final award amounts.
It is an utterly corrupt shit show in the extreme. When we got sued, our Insurer, whom we had been with since 1970s immediately denied coverage, and we had to hire a lawyer to go after our own insurer to obtain coverage. Our shitshow lasted 9 years with the Judge REPEATEDLY telling us "to pay up and make a contribution" if we wanted to be let out, BECAUSE "he (the Judge) wanted to see the plaintiff get money". And he even said in open court with me present on multiple occasions that "he wasn't even going to read or look at the Motions made by the defendants" because he wanted to plaintiff to get money. I was beyond disgusted.
It is just one more reason I decided to fold up my companies and move South. FUCK NEW YORKISTAN!
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention it: AFTER having to defend us until the end of the lawsuit (actually there ended up being multiple separate plaintiff lawsuits), what did our insurer do? WHY, they dropped us, of course, AND they dropped EVERY other insured, as they quit writing business insurance in New Yorkistan.
Some would even make the argument that one should only do business in NYS under a corporate shield, with the corporation owning ZERO assets, and to further bankrupt the corporation every few years as an added measure. Who knows though, - I don't think NYS allows that. But, I could care less anymore. I'm out.
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I hope there's at least 1 lawyer out there that'll defend them for free if they can't raise money for a defense. I don't see how it's possible for them to be held liable for selling a legal item that someone modified. If this wasn't in a communist state I don't think it would even make it to trial. I hope like hell they are found innocent. Then they need to sue everyone that went after them for the cost of defense .
Anyone injured by ANY ITEM used on them by someone else will now have a chance to sue. Piss your wife off and get hit with a rolling pin - sue the store she bought it from.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
now there suing you tube over a shooting ..
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
It does not say "designed to accept", it says "ability to accept". Two very different concepts.
Its original design is completely irrelevant.. What matters is what it has the ability to do at the time of the sale.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
This could truly be the crest of the slippery slope. What other product manufacturers need to start worrying about someone misusing their items in a criminal way and have the liability fall back onto them?
Not quite the NYState law definition:
22. "Assault weapon" means
(a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable
magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a thumbhole stock;
(iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the
non-trigger hand;
(v) a bayonet mount;
(vi) a flash suppressor, muzzle break, muzzle compensator, or threaded
barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, muzzle break, or
muzzle compensator;
(vii) a grenade launcher
Some people get wrapped up in absolutes: Back during the first AW Ban, there was someone working as an "expert witness" that swore that if testifying to threads being present under a permanently attached Muzzle Brake would claim in Court that it was indeed a "Threaded Muzzle" and simply would not accept that once a device had been High-Temp Soldered in accordance with BATFE stipulations that those threads were no longer a design feature. The whole idea behind the Bullet Button was fixing the magazine to the receiver such that it could no longer detach, keeping in mind that you can "remove" the Engine from your Car, but you cannot "detach" it. The Laws were written inanely and capriciously with deliberation to obfuscate the common interpretation to whomever is reading them, be they Citizen, Judge, DA, or Juror.
There have been AW Ban/un_SAFE Cases, and I dare say they don't make it to Trial when a Plea-Bargain conviction can be made, so you can take it lubed up and a little relaxed or raped, either way the State is going to fuck you if you don't fight it.
There has been no real action on the issue until Letita sued mean Arms, for selling devices that allow the magazine to be detachable... fundamental design, meets ability...a short hop for any lib Judge....time to detach mag is not in the law...5 seconds or 5 hours...does not matter...it can be removed....by original design and now ability.........
Will a cop who sees a mean arms full featured gun just keep on walking?
When does DD's Ranch get sued,next?
ddsranch.com
Cops obviously waiting for a court decision.............
Only SCOTUS can save us.
Will a cop who sees a mean arms full featured gun just keep on walking?
When does DD's Ranch get sued,next?
Smith & Wesson M&P15 SPORT II 5.56mm NEW YORK STATE SAFE ACT LEGAL AR-15 Type Rifle
Smith & Wesson M&P15 SPORT II 5.56mm NEW YORK STATE SAFE ACT LEGAL AR-15 Type Rifle
ddsranch.com
Cops obviously waiting for a court decision.............
Only SCOTUS can save us.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
It could but likely they will single out only gun related companies. I highly doubt a car company will ever be held to this standard or they would have been already.
Vinson57
.475 A&M Magnum
I thought the standard was "is the magazine" removable and that's why mag logs are used.
I have a problem with a gen Z that still lives at home hiding a MSR under his bed.
The Remington 700 bolt action rifle, has the ability to accept a mag. Most guns do.
Is it a design flaw by Remington?
The design vs ability, debate, is basically moot...but in limbo until courts reach decisions.
Mean arms is in a world of shit...............
Is it a design flaw by Remington?
The design vs ability, debate, is basically moot...but in limbo until courts reach decisions.
Mean arms is in a world of shit...............
Huh, looks an awful lot like a weaponized Law...We'll make it menacing, ambiguous, technically challenged, and fraught with actions that could be used against anyone the State chooses to fuck with...NY Legislators didn't write the Laws, they're too dumb and lazy, instead they came from the liberal fuckwit lobbying organizations such as Everytown, Brady Campaign, etc.There has been no real action on the issue until Letita sued mean Arms, for selling devices that allow the magazine to be detachable... fundamental design, meets ability...a short hop for any lib Judge....time to detach mag is not in the law...5 seconds or 5 hours...does not matter...it can be removed....by original design and now ability.........
Will a cop who sees a mean arms full featured gun just keep on walking?
When does DD's Ranch get sued,next?
Smith & Wesson M&P15 SPORT II 5.56mm NEW YORK STATE SAFE ACT LEGAL AR-15 Type Rifle
Smith & Wesson M&P15 SPORT II 5.56mm NEW YORK STATE SAFE ACT LEGAL AR-15 Type Rifle
Cops obviously waiting for a court decision.............
Only SCOTUS can save us.
Adding a plastic grip to a Rifle doesn't make it one goddamn bit more of anything besides easier to control...and control is EXACTLY what those in power positions demand.
Mean Arms is in a world of shit IF they don't knuckle under and PAY...All this is about one thing: MONEY and it's disgustingly pursued as "Justice".
Again, with the weaponizing of the Laws. you'd be astounded at how many think that ban applies to their 700 and other non-semiautomatic guns...people are stupid, especially in New York.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Huh? I was simply correcting his "quote" direct from the written law. What does that have to do with a gen Z in his moms basement? You lost me there.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
It’s not just about money it’s about more fun co tell and shitting down businesses or having businesses too scared to sell anything to NYS and other picky states.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Federal judge again overturns California ban on high-capacity gun magazines
A federal judge for the second time overturned California's ban on large-capacity ammunition magazines that can hold more than 10 bullets, ruling that it lacked a historical basis and is therefore unconstitutional.
www.latimes.com
WA’s ban on high-capacity gun magazines ruled unconstitutional
Minutes after a Cowlitz County judge’s ruling Monday evening, the state Supreme Court issued an emergency stay, keeping the ban in effect for now.
www.seattletimes.com
FUNY!
Robin
The WA ban is back in effect 2 hours after the judge ruled it unConstitutional thanks to the state supreme court. I'm fairly certain the 9th circus Court did the same for the CA ruling.Federal judge again overturns California ban on high-capacity gun magazines
A federal judge for the second time overturned California's ban on large-capacity ammunition magazines that can hold more than 10 bullets, ruling that it lacked a historical basis and is therefore unconstitutional.Meanwhile in the Soviet Socialist Republic of New York the infringement continues.WA’s ban on high-capacity gun magazines ruled unconstitutional
Minutes after a Cowlitz County judge’s ruling Monday evening, the state Supreme Court issued an emergency stay, keeping the ban in effect for now.
FUNY!
Robin
In NY, we're still infringed thanks to the 2nd Circus.
Then those courts sit on their spiked dildos and refuse to make final rulings because they know the U.S. S.C. will tell them to pound sand (for now, at least).
So much for speedy trials.
If the S.C. doesn't step in and tell these lower courts to get their act in gear it is no different than ruling the Constitution dead.
I think that leaves only one box left.