Mod-K Armory's take on a M&P 2.0"x"

[Edwardteach72]

So I will allow @71velle to call me out as a hypocrite (kinda)

but this M&P is looking sick AF.

Compact Slide, Full size grip, only thing I'd change would be the Fiber Optic sights. FO is nice and all but has the habit of falling out.

And yes I used to be very critical of the glock 19x , but after reading up on their thought process and understanding it more, plus holding one in my hand I have come around to the idea..... but the 19x still has a few things I would change, also I am pissed that Glock is trying to say it's their MHS offering when it's missing the thumb safety.

But I think they got it right with the G45..


Anyways back to this bad boy.

 

[Podmonkey]

I just can't stomach holes in the slide on anything a that isn't a range toy. Which is all that most of these custom poly guns are typically used for anyway. Every gun I own however needs to be able to serve in a practical role in addition to a recreational one. It just doesn't interest me otherwise.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I just can't stomach holes in the slide on anything a that isn't a range toy. Which is all that most of these custom poly guns are typically used for anyway. Every gun I own however needs to be able to serve in a practical role in addition to a recreational one. It just doesn't interest me otherwise.

Lots of carry guns now have the windows.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Well not factory

 

[Podmonkey]

Lots of carry guns now have the windows.

Well not factory

I don't like it. Why would you want to add points of entry for shit to get into your carry gun?
Action needs to be sealed up as much as possible.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I don't like it. Why would you want to add points of entry for shit to get into your carry gun?
Action needs to be sealed up as much as possible.

I'm hoping once I get my slide back i plan on completely covering it in dirt and what not and see how much that has an affect.

Not to mention since its not a "go to war" gun it spends pretty much all it's time in a holster. The chances of anything getting inside it are slim to none, only argument for that I can see is dropping it then it lands in mud then covered, butttttt that's such a low probability it don't consider it an issue

 

[Podmonkey]

I'm hoping once I get my slide back i plan on completely covering it in dirt and what not and see how much that has an affect.

Not to mention since its not a "go to war" gun it spends pretty much all it's time in a holster. The chances of anything getting inside it are slim to none, only argument for that I can see is dropping it then it lands in mud then covered, butttttt that's such a low probability it don't consider it an issue

Don't forget about lint, stuff gets everywhere in a carry gun.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Don't forget about lint, stuff gets everywhere in a carry gun.

Again minor in my opinion, especially with a well made holster

 

[Edwardteach72]

Don't forget about lint, stuff gets everywhere in a carry gun.

I mean dont get me wrong I understand what you are saying and to each their own

 

[MilesTeg]

I just can't stomach holes in the slide on anything a that isn't a range toy. Which is all that most of these custom poly guns are typically used for anyway. Every gun I own however needs to be able to serve in a practical role in addition to a recreational one. It just doesn't interest me otherwise.

This has been heard loud and clear by many of the slide milling companies. Most offer packages that have no windows, but still increase gripabillity and also shed weight off of the slide. Most call it an EDC package.

 

[Edwardteach72]

This has been heard loud and clear by many of the slide milling companies. Most offer packages that have no windows, but still increase gripabillity and also shed weight off of the slide. Most call it an EDC package.

This as well

 

[Wraith]

You modify a gun such as this and shoot someone with you, if it’s even a slightly questionable shoot you’re in for a lot of “Why?” That you’ve got explain to 12 not-gun-folks.

 

[Edwardteach72]

You modify a gun such as this and shoot someone with you, if it’s even a slightly questionable shoot you’re in for a lot of “Why?” That you’ve got explain to 12 not-gun-folks.

Hahhahaha nope not a real fucking thing, leave you boomer advice back at the fudd gun shop you heard it from

Give a logical reason, oooooor even less likely to be able to do show evidence.... no I bet you cant @Wraith

 

[Edwardteach72]

Hahhahaha nope not a real fucking thing, leave you boomer advice back at the fudd gun shop you heard it from

Holy shit, if the profile is to be believed. We have one of the elusive 30 year old boomers

 

[Edwardteach72]

Which I guess makes them a fudd not a boomer..


So my apologies @Wraith you are not a boomer. You just have boomer advice, and are a fudd. So yea

 

[MilesTeg]

I've asked it every time this comes up can someone please point out one time this has happened? The gun community really is it's own worse enemy.

 

[Bananabandit]

Meh its ok. Not for me but if its what you like...

 

[Podmonkey]

Hahhahaha nope not a real fucking thing, leave you boomer advice back at the fudd gun shop you heard it from

Give a logical reason, oooooor even less likely to be able to do show evidence.... no I bet you cant @Wraith

Is there any particular reason you feel the need to be so abrasive lately?
It probably would be a point used by the prosecution.

 

[Wraith]

Which I guess makes them a fudd not a boomer..


So my apologies @Wraith you are not a boomer. You just have boomer advice, and are a fudd. So yea

I’m happy to be a fudd on this and I hope I’m never a boomer except at the range or a training course.

Although the article is familiar to any who have googled the topic:

Gun Modifications

The article looks critically at triggers,mostly, but also touches on cosmetic modifications.

Will It Hurt Me In Court? Weapons Issues and the Fears of the Legally Armed Citizen

This journal article looks at appearance, not so much modifications. I feel you can extrapolate pretty easily that any aesthetic modification that adds “edginess” can hurt you. Although the article states you’re more likely see too the “hurt” in civil versus criminal court.

I don’t know how to reference many of the Podcasts I listen to either. Andrew Branka does an interesting one. He states although triggers are the worst, deactivated safeties are next, cosmetics are third.

Lastly, the lawyer I spoke with (since we can not have insurance in NY) said although cosmetics don’t get you convicted, they do not help you if a prosecutor can paint you as a gun nut, and they’ll try to.

Again, I think the mods look cool. If it’s your only gun available when you need it, you gotta do what you gotta do. Would I want it as a carry gun, no, mostly due to the added hurtle you’ve got to surmount in a gun-hating state.

Now, if this is your safe queen, my bad.

 

[togmaster]

I'm hoping once I get my slide back i plan on completely covering it in dirt and what not and see how much that has an affect.

Not to mention since its not a "go to war" gun it spends pretty much all it's time in a holster. The chances of anything getting inside it are slim to none, only argument for that I can see is dropping it then it lands in mud then covered, butttttt that's such a low probability it don't consider it an issue

Such a low probability of a malfunction? Like the Sig P365 failing?

 

[Wraith]

Another article that looks at how the prosecutor can misinterpret your modifications against you. You’re probably all also familiar with this:

LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS OF HANDGUN MODIFICATIONS AND NON-FACTORY STANDARD REPLACEMENT PARTS | Modern Service Weapons

 

[Edwardteach72]

Is there any particular reason you feel the need to be so abrasive lately?
It probably would be a point used by the prosecution.

I'm thinking boredom

 

[Edwardteach72]

I’m happy to be a fudd on this and I hope I’m never a boomer except at the range or a training course.

Although the article is familiar to any who have googled the topic:

Gun Modifications

The article looks critically at triggers,mostly, but also touches on cosmetic modifications.

Will It Hurt Me In Court? Weapons Issues and the Fears of the Legally Armed Citizen

This journal article looks at appearance, not so much modifications. I feel you can extrapolate pretty easily that any aesthetic modification that adds “edginess” can hurt you. Although the article states you’re more likely see too the “hurt” in civil versus criminal court.

I don’t know how to reference many of the Podcasts I listen to either. Andrew Branka does an interesting one. He states although triggers are the worst, deactivated safeties are next, cosmetics are third.

Lastly, the lawyer I spoke with (since we can not have insurance in NY) said although cosmetics don’t get you convicted, they do not help you if a prosecutor can paint you as a gun nut, and they’ll try to.

Again, I think the mods look cool. If it’s your only gun available when you need it, you gotta do what you gotta do. Would I want it as a carry gun, no, mostly due to the added hurtle you’ve got to surmount in a gun-hating state.

Now, if this is your safe queen, my bad.

Who says you cant have insurance in NY?

And you mention triggers but specifically deactivated safeties... well that's a completely different topic than the apex trigger in the gun above.

As mentioned in many other places... if deadly force is justified it it doesnt matter what you use. Who cares if it's a Nagant revolver or an STI 2011.

What on the above gun in the picture could be used against you?

Aftermarket sights? Most guns have aftermarket sights..

An RMR, well that's just a sight, but it's also a sight that allows me to focus on the target instead of the sight itself, this gives me the ability to make a better decision on if I need to shoot or of the presentation alone stops the threat faster than traditional iron sights.

Not only that the fact that I am responsible for every round fired, the ability to be more focused on my target and accurate is better no? This also goes back to the trigger.... look at NYPD with their 12lb triggers, their hit ratio is atrocious and yes that has to do with both training and ....... heavy trigger.

So if I have a reasonable trigger, that is smoother and shorter i can make more accurate shots. Meaning i am less likely to shoot someone or something else I don't intend to shoot.

Slide cuts..... oh yea if I didn't have those I wouldn't have gunned down the person that was attacking me?

And I'll reiterate. Who said we cant have insurance here in NY????

Is there any particular reason you feel the need to be so abrasive lately?
It probably would be a point used by the prosecution.

Ah yes I'm sitting infront of a jury. Prosecutor standing infront of me. This man right here used deadly force within the limits of the law to defend himself against an individual who was violently attacking him.... but remember we found this post were he was grumpy online so forget that it was justifiable use of force

 

[Podmonkey]

 

[Wraith]

Who says you cant have insurance in NY?

And you mention triggers but specifically deactivated safeties... well that's a completely different topic than the apex trigger in the gun above.

As mentioned in many other places... if deadly force is justified it it doesnt matter what you use. Who cares if it's a Nagant revolver or an STI 2011.

What on the above gun in the picture could be used against you?

Aftermarket sights? Most guns have aftermarket sights..

An RMR, well that's just a sight, but it's also a sight that allows me to focus on the target instead of the sight itself, this gives me the ability to make a better decision on if I need to shoot or of the presentation alone stops the threat faster than traditional iron sights.

Not only that the fact that I am responsible for every round fired, the ability to be more focused on my target and accurate is better no? This also goes back to the trigger.... look at NYPD with their 12lb triggers, their hit ratio is atrocious and yes that has to do with both training and ....... heavy trigger.

So if I have a reasonable trigger, that is smoother and shorter i can make more accurate shots. Meaning i am less likely to shoot someone or something else I don't intend to shoot.

Slide cuts..... oh yea if I didn't have those I wouldn't have gunned down the person that was attacking me?

And I'll reiterate. Who said we cant have insurance here in NY????





Ah yes I'm sitting infront of a jury. Prosecutor standing infront of me. This man right here used deadly force within the limits of the law to defend himself against an individual who was violently attacking him.... but remember we found this post were he was grumpy online so forget that it was justifiable use of force

You have solid point. Now explain that to the 37 year old Bernie Sanders voter who wants your guns gone. Oh, and only do it using yes and no. You can answer the question, but rarely can you fully explain the answer when the prosecutor asks. Your defense will let you explain but not before having been painted in a evil, gun nut way.

How do you answer this? Did you use your heavily modified Glock, that is modified outside of factory specifications and more efficient at killing, to kill Mr. Smith? Yes or No.

It’s not all about how YOU or the gun community sees it. It’s how 12 people who probably couldn’t tell you if a Glock uses a magazine, clip or clipazine perceive it.

Again. I’m not saying you won’t win. If it’s a good shooting I pray to God you win every time. It’s just why have the extra hurtle on a carry gun. Also, just because you won in criminal court doesn’t mean you’ll win in civil where it’s a circus.

As for insurance. New York State does not allow insurance for gun owners as you can not insure criminal acts. It’s why no insurance company will touch NY.

New York Bans NRA Gun Insurance

 

[Edwardteach72]

You have solid point. Now explain that to the 37 year old Bernie Sanders voter who wants your guns gone. Oh, and only do it using yes and no. You can answer the question, but rarely can you fully explain the answer when the prosecutor asks. Your defense will let you explain but not before having been painted in a evil, gun nut way.

How do you answer this? Did you use your heavily modified Glock, that is modified outside of factory specifications and more efficient at killing, to kill Mr. Smith? Yes or No.

It’s not all about how YOU or the gun community sees it. It’s how 12 people who probably couldn’t tell you if a Glock uses a magazine, clip or clipazine perceive it.

Again. I’m not saying you won’t win. If it’s a good shooting I pray to God you win every time. It’s just why have the extra hurtle on a carry gun. Also, just because you won in criminal court doesn’t mean you’ll win in civil where it’s a circus.

As for insurance. New York State does not allow insurance for gun owners as you can not insure criminal acts. It’s why no insurance company will touch NY.

New York Bans NRA Gun Insurance

No


And back to the insurance thing.. weird it just says NRA, and yet there are other options, it's just the NRA that wasnt allowed to sell "their" insurance

 

[Wraith]

No


And back to the insurance thing.. weird it just says NRA, and yet there are other options, it's just the NRA that wasnt allowed to sell "their" insurance

So you lied to the police when you told them you shot Mr. Smith? We have the 911 recording and the dectectives interview tapes. We also have gunshot residue on your hands and clothes. Your registered, heavily modified killing mach— sorry, your honor, gun at the scene with only your prints on it.

So are you really telling me you did not kill Mr. Smith?

As for insurance. It’s the same for them all. Cuomo has blocked any type of carry insurance in the state of NY.

New York Bans Firearms Insurance Program | Suffolk Law

It’s focused on the NRA but explains how any gun insurance is banned by not being granted a license. If there is an insurance currently circulating in New York that I’m aware of I’d love to know.

 

[MilesTeg]

I've read through all of the inks that Wraith has linked and not one has a detailed court case where a modified gun was used in a self defense scenario and it hurt them in court. One centered on conjecture of all the nasty things a prosecutor could say. One centered on accidental shootings. One was an opinion piece.

Prosecutors will say anything to try to get a conviction all the way to pulling the race card to someone that is married to a different race. It doesn't have to be factual to come out of their mouths. This is nothing more than a bunch of speculative fear mongering.

 

[Edwardteach72]

So you lied to the police when you told them you shot Mr. Smith? We have the 911 recording and the dectectives interview tapes. We also have gunshot residue on your hands and clothes. Your registered, heavily modified killing mach— sorry, your honor, gun at the scene with only your prints on it.

So are you really telling me you did not kill Mr. Smith?

As for insurance. It’s the same for them all. Cuomo has blocked any type of carry insurance in the state of NY.

New York Bans Firearms Insurance Program | Suffolk Law

It’s focused on the NRA but explains how any gun insurance is banned by not being granted a license. If there is an insurance currently circulating in New York that I’m aware of I’d love to know.

I never said that I didnt shoot. The question was if I used a modified glock that made it more efficient at killing.

And yet nothing on that (sorry to burst your bubble) M&P has any effect on Ballistics

 

[Edwardteach72]

Oh and again you link only talks about carry guard, there are other insurance options. The whole this isnt about the insurance, it's about the NRA not being licensed to sell insurance