Of course it's perfectly legal to have 10 round .450, or socom mags.
Monroe county has a problem with multi caliber pistols
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I might not quite understand your point, but the way I understand NYSAFE, posession of a mag that has the ability to, or can be redily restored to hold more than 10 rounds of ammo is illegal, no matter if it is fixed in the gun or not. That's why having a 10 round .450 Bushmaster mag could be a problem, especially if you had a .223 upper. It could be easily argued that the mag was capable of holding 30 rounds.
I have a few different AR platforms for predator hunting. They all have 10 round mags fixed in them. WHILE HUNTING, I'm required to put a 5 round limiter in the mag, so that the gun can only hold 5 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. That's legal per DEC regulations.
I have a few different AR platforms for predator hunting. They all have 10 round mags fixed in them. WHILE HUNTING, I'm required to put a 5 round limiter in the mag, so that the gun can only hold 5 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. That's legal per DEC regulations.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
the gun has to . not the mag .. its fixed for a AR ..
why i said this is a shit show ..
why i said this is a shit show ..
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Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
build a socom yote AR .. 30 rnd fixed mag . holds 10 socom rounds .. all legal
same mag as 556/223
I believe it is called "constructive intent".
If you have the upper and a lower it can go on, then you have the prohibited firearm.
And I don't know if it is a county-by-county thing, but my pistol permit requires the caliber. so if I get a .22 upper for my 1911 I have to amend my permit to show 45/22.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Constructive intent only applies if you cannot assemble the parts into a legal configuration AFAIK.
Since you have 2 ways to put that collection together and one is legal, I believe they have to give you the benefit of the doubt that the legal one is what you are using.
You don't "take delivery of" barrels though.
They just go to your door. The mailman isn't checking permits.
"But what if you're at the range and you have the gun in a configuration...and hardass cop...and run your serials...and"
Come on. We do this to ourselves.
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That_FNG
6.5 Creedmoor
When I was at the range last week there was a local cop there who was being a hard ass. He was checking everybody’s permit who was shooting a handgun to see if 1) they had a permit, and 2) if what was on your permit matched what you had for caliber.You don't "take delivery of" barrels though.
They just go to your door. The mailman isn't checking permits.
"But what if you're at the range and you have the gun in a configuration...and hardass cop...and run your serials...and"
Come on. We do this to ourselves.
all it takes is one hard ass cop or one ex wive to call you in saying you have an unregistered caliber and your permit is toast.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Someone seriously needs to sue his ass (and his department) over that.
Find a different place to shoot.
And who is the "cop checking permits?" In official capacity? Then REALLY find a different range and post their info so nobody accidently goes there.
Just for shits and giggles? "No thank you" and have the trespasser removed. They certainly wouldn't be searching any ammo.
Stop this cowering shit.
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Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Absolutely an illegal search.
File a criminal complaint of coercion against him.
Not kidding.
By the way, if he did catch someone, remember all they have to do is immediately start robbing the place and they'll give him a walk, lol.
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On what grounds was he demanding to see permits ? Tell him to pound sand. If there is no crime being comitted, there is no probable cause to want to see a permit. I would absolutely file a complaint at the very least, and probably a civil rights suit.
PLEASE tell us what range this was at ! If you don't want to outright name it, give us a street name and town.
PLEASE tell us what range this was at ! If you don't want to outright name it, give us a street name and town.
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
(sarcasm) Are you kidding?
He went to to a pistol range where people shoot pistols, and found it to be unusual and suspicious that people were shooting pistols rofl
spat
.700 Nitro Express
He may be politically connected at that range.
Some of them are worse than a clique of high school girls.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
So, they don't like "multi caliber".
What are their rules on multiple guns using the same serial number
Just add another pistol every week. Same serial number, but a different caliber, until you've got all the ones you want.
What are their rules on multiple guns using the same serial number
Just add another pistol every week. Same serial number, but a different caliber, until you've got all the ones you want.
I'm sorry... But the frame of a pistol is registered...
Why the fuck does the caliber matter? Especially after the frame is registered?
And possession of uppers doesn't require registration, so why would anyone register a different caliber? Swap a slide and barrel on a pistol and you're breaking what penal code exactly? Where's the case precedent/law?
More worrying about the Big Bad Wolf that never comes!
Why the fuck does the caliber matter? Especially after the frame is registered?
And possession of uppers doesn't require registration, so why would anyone register a different caliber? Swap a slide and barrel on a pistol and you're breaking what penal code exactly? Where's the case precedent/law?
More worrying about the Big Bad Wolf that never comes!
Would definitely be telling him to go fuck himself and come back with a warrant!
Again, frame is registered... Serial # matches, there's no law being broken other than an administrative function of recording your new caliber.
Education is key... It's not even legal for them to check how many rounds are in that magazine absent probable cause!!! And being at a range is not probable anything... Again, want to see my permit, go fuck yourself and come back with a warrant, I'll be right here all day waiting!
How is your permit toast? The cop going to try and seize that too? Lmao, it would be a bad day for someone real fast!
Some crazy ideas...
Big Bad Wolf that never comes!
spat
.700 Nitro Express
They will say if you have a 45 caliber pistol serial # 12345 registered, but you are found with a 9mm pistol serial #12345 that you have an unregistered gun.
That_FNG
6.5 Creedmoor
Update on everything. Reached out to lawyers and have not heard back yet. Contacted FPC, NYSRPA and GOA and have not heard back yet. Had to contact the firearms investigation personal with monroe county sheriffs per the letter today. Spoke on the phone today. Was told it was flagged due to asking about having a bunch of different calibers. They did not believe it would be capable of supporting all the listed calibers with the same fixed magazine. Explained to them that for some of the calibers some of the uppers would ultilize the magazine as semi auto, and that some would be single shot. The response given was that each caliber would have to specified as semi auto or bolt action on the permit. Essentially each type of action would have to be specified with each type of caliber. Then inquired with them as to how to do that, the response was given that an AR type firearm can never be a pistol. When inquired further their response was that because nys does not define pistol that they default to the federal definition of a pistol.
From how the conversation went today, we have been told by Monroe county officials that they do not believe that it is in any way possible for an AR15 / AR10 pistol to actually legally be a pistol and instead must be something else.
From how the conversation went today, we have been told by Monroe county officials that they do not believe that it is in any way possible for an AR15 / AR10 pistol to actually legally be a pistol and instead must be something else.
Don't forget SAF (Second Amendment Foundation)
Another example of NY's poorly worded laws to confuse people. An ar can 100% be a pistol, as you know, and evidenced by the 10's of thousands of them sold, but try to explain that to the people whose job it is to know.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
The first rule of getting a lawyer is to let the lawyer talk for you.
"Good morning, pistol cop. I'd like to comply with this letter, but I'm still arranging council. Can I have him call you back by the end of the week?"
Sounds like they are moving forward with the ATF idea that all AR-platform pistols are going to be re-designated as SBRs.
Not surprising from Monroe County.
Cavalry
.308 Win
This is interesting. I recently re certified my license, straight from the SP there are non AR pistols with 4 calibers. If the SP does not care why would the clerk?
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
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Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
The range should have refused to allow him access and those at the range should have refused to allow him access to their guns. Sorry buddy do you have a warrant and what probably cause do you have to enter here or check my guns?
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I’m glad I never did an AR pistol after all of this.
Also keep in mind that your friend will have to recertify all these guns in these actions and calibers. That’s a lot of BS for not much return IMO. I’d maybe do a few and ditch the rest since when he recertify this it maybe an issue all over again. I’ll bet with the new other law they will try to classify them as others. He needs a lawyer asap and if I were him I’d would ditch the entire AR pistol thing, get rid of the pistol barrels and make all the AR’s long guns. I’d say they were never made into pistols and I registered them because that was my plan and it never panned out. Then all it is was he had a lower that’s legal to possess on a permit and hopefully worst to happen is they will remove it. If he pushes forward with this he maybe in possession of an illegal other firearm and he will have a large legal battle on his hands. I could be wrong since I’m not well versed on the other law, but that’s what it would like they are doing IMO or as mentioned classifying them as short barreled rifles. It’s critical on how the FFL took these firearms in IMO so he may never want to mention that they were stored there. If the FFL took them in as pistols that could be problematic for him. He needs to tread very carefully IMO.