New - Remington 870 with detachable box mags.

[Acer-m14]

who needs a box mag when you can speed load a auto or pump ..
learn to sleep with 25 rnds on your waist .. LOL ..

 

[Marine Cpl]

Do you dump the mag with other types of weapons? Am I missing something here? If it’s a six round mag, I reload after I fire six rounds.

Yes depending on the size of the magazine and the rounds fired.

If you got into a shootout at your job let's say clearing a drug house and you fired 12 rounds out of your Glock in one string at a doorway or window for example, would you enter into the house with just 4 rounds left after the shooter goes down?

The same concept goes with this shotgun. Especially if it's only a 6 round magazine and you fired 2 or 3. Even after firing 1 round I'd want to top off if there was a lull in fighting.

 

[freddy]

 

[freddy]

 

[Airborneguy]

Tactical reload is an option if there is a lull in the fight. Don't want to have 2 in the mag but then realize you need an uninterupted 5 to stay alive.

Count rounds. It's not hard to do with training and gives you something to focus on to calm the mind. Besides, this is a not a high capacity firearm anyway. It's one thing to fire 10 rounds from a pistol and drop or secure the remaining 5 to swap a fresh mag, but to fire 2-3 from each mag when you only have 6 anyway?

 

[Airborneguy]

Yes depending on the size of the magazine and the rounds fired.

If you got into a shootout at your job let's say clearing a drug house and you fired 12 rounds out of your Glock in one string at a doorway or window for example, would you enter into the house with just 4 rounds left after the shooter goes down?

The same concept goes with this shotgun. Especially if it's only a 6 round magazine and you fired 2 or 3. Even after firing 1 round I'd want to top off if there was a lull in fighting.

Didn't see this post before responding above.

I see it as the opposite: small magazine, I'm keeping it in till it goes click. Going empty is far easier to recognize with a long gun than a handgun anyway due to the larger, more forceful mechanics. It's more understandable to swap with a handgun when going empty can be easily missed in a stressful situation.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I don't know if I can agree with that. If I was forced to carry an antiquated low capacity weapon with a 6 round magazine, I would top off after every room.

Say I'm point entering a room. I fire 3 rounds from my shotgun in room number one. Before leaving that room to go to the hallway to enter room number 2, I'd rather top off 3 more rounds back to 7 than going into the hallway and the next room with only 4 rounds left.

I don't want to go click and have to reload no matter how fast I can do it while engaging 3 dudes in another room trying to kill me.

 

[camper4lyfe]

Looks cool, but what purported "problem" is this supposed to address?

I like new inventions as much as anyone, but I'm having a hard time understanding how this is anything but a regression.

This would be great for when I go crow hunting. We do several set ups several miles apart which requires loading and unloading the gun multiple times. It's 100% a pain in the ass to do.

 

[freddy]

Count rounds. It's not hard to do with training and gives you something to focus on to calm the mind. Besides, this is a not a high capacity firearm anyway. It's one thing to fire 10 rounds from a pistol and drop or secure the remaining 5 to swap a fresh mag, but to fire 2-3 from each mag when you only have 6 anyway?

This would support the rationale for a tube mag... Shoot 2, reload 2... Shoot 4, reload 4... Shoot 1, reload 1.

 

[MilesTeg]

I don't know if I can agree with that. If I was forced to carry an antiquated low capacity weapon with a 6 round magazine, I would top off after every room.

Say I'm point entering a room. I fire 3 rounds from my shotgun in room number one. Before leaving that room to go to the hallway to enter room number 2, I'd rather top off 3 more rounds back to 7 than going into the hallway and the next room with only 4 rounds left.

I don't want to go click and have to reload no matter how fast I can do it while engaging 3 dudes in another room trying to kill me.

Jesus what kind of scenario are you dreaming up. If there are that many hostiles with that many rooms you need to clear a pump shotgun isn't the weapon you want here.

 

[freddy]

Jesus what kind of scenario are you dreaming up. If there are that many hostiles with that many rooms you need to clear a pump shotgun isn't the weapon you want here.

If I had to choose I would MUCH rather take a single 5.56 to the chest rather than a load of 00 buck.

Edit: I meant to stipulate under 50 yards.

 

[MilesTeg]

If I had to choose I would MUCH rather take a single 5.56 to the chest rather than a load of 00 buck.

That's fine it's a free country but for my home defense I prefer a non neutered AR compared to a pump shotgun in any configuration.

 

[freddy]

That's fine it's a free country but for my home defense I prefer a non neutered AR compared to a pump shotgun in any consideration.

Nothing wrong with that. And of course ranges over 50 yards only a rifle will do.

Given NY mag capacity a 9 shot semiauto 12 gauge has a negligible difference in ammo capacity to an 11 shot AR. But the potential energy is much higher from the 12 gauge. Two or three times as much energy. That makes for true one shot stopping power if the shooter does their part.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Jesus what kind of scenario are you dreaming up. If there are that many hostiles with that many rooms you need to clear a pump shotgun isn't the weapon you want here.

Which is why I'd never carry one. One cannot ever be sure of how many rounds you need. But if I did have one, be I'd much rather have the ability to quickly top off a tubular magazine from a sidesaddle.

 

[MilesTeg]

I would rather have the mag because if this is grab and go gun how would you carry the extra shells? In your pocket? in some sort of carrier? To me it would make more sense to grab the gun and one magazine and clear the house. But again this wouldn't be my preference to use anyways.

 

[Calculon]

Carry extra mags - lots of extra mags. Much more compact/secure way to carry them anyway vs in a pouch or a pocket/bandolier.

 

[freddy]

I would rather have the mag because if this is grab and go gun how would you carry the extra shells? In your pocket? in some sort of carrier? To me it would make more sense to grab the gun and one magazine and clear the house. But again this wouldn't be my preference to use anyways.

Three ways (at least):
1. Bandolier
2. Shotshell panels on plate carrier
3. Over the shoulder bag (Gabe Suarez style)

Suarez is a big advocate of box mag shotguns. He slings a small bag over the shoulder to carry several mags. As he explains you can do this naked for those bumps in the night.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I would rather have the mag because if this is grab and go gun how would you carry the extra shells? In your pocket? in some sort of carrier? To me it would make more sense to grab the gun and one magazine and clear the house. But again this wouldn't be my preference to use anyways.

Sidesaddle.

 

[freddy]

Which is why I'd never carry one. One cannot ever be sure of how many rounds you need. But if I did have one, be I'd much rather have the ability to quickly top off a tubular magazine from a sidesaddle.

I used to sidesaddle. Now I realize it adds too much weight to an already heavy firearm. Better to carry extra on your person, not the shotgun itself. Besides, I want 20+ extra shells, not 5 or 6 from a sidesaddle

 

[Marine Cpl]

I used to sidesaddle. Now I realize it adds too much weight to an already heavy firearm. Better to carry extra on your person, not the shotgun itself.

I think it's better to not even use a shotgun but that's me. If I had to use one, I'd rather temporarily deal with the weight and just grab one thing.

A sling that holds shells would work too and wouldn't weigh down the weapon if slung.

 

[Darth]

Remington will screw this up.

 

[kev74]

So... We've gone from 'hey look at the new gun', to 'tubes rule, mags drool', to 'I'd rather get shot in the chest by "x" than "y"'.

You guys crack me up!

 

[Airborneguy]

The real issue here is an obsolete weapon system being updated to ever-so-slightly conform to modern tactical options.

 

[Airborneguy]

I know Will and I agree on that! Shotguns are obsolete for anything besides bird hunting.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The real issue here is an obsolete weapon system being updated to ever-so-slightly conform to modern tactical options.

Yep. It's a heavy, inaccurate, smoothbore musket that can be loaded quickly. That's all it is.

 

[GuyMontag]

Yep. It's a heavy, inaccurate, smoothbore musket that can be loaded quickly. That's all it is.

Lets get those obsolete relics out of your hands, I'll even pay for shipping.

 

[Darth]

I know Will and I agree on that! Shotguns are obsolete for anything besides bird hunting.

Breaching doors!

At least in Rainbow Six Siege they are...

 

[Marine Cpl]

Lets get those obsolete relics out of your hands, I'll even pay for shipping.

Already done. I got rid of my relic in 2014.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Breaching doors!

At least in Rainbow Six Siege they are...

You don't need a full shotgun for that. This would suffice.

 

[Darth]

You don't need a full shotgun for that. This would suffice.

Yeah, but what if you need to take on 12 people at once?