New York businesses get shafted as Albany showers $5.5B, endless aid on Idaho’s Micron

[ManualF150]

New York businesses get shafted as Albany showers $5.5B, endless aid on Idaho’s Micron

Every company in the state should apply “the Micron test” to identify all the ways New York makes it artificially difficult to do business here.

nypost.com

Horchul needs to get booted!

This here even proves it:

 

[Criticalt]

Because most business owners are intelligent, NYS MUST offer money for them to come here.
My wife and I own 2 businesses in NYS and I know several other business owners.
It is truly amazing how things are done in other states. Just a mile South of where I live, taxes are less, regulations are less, leases are less........

 

[ManualF150]

Because most business owners are intelligent, NYS MUST offer money for them to come here.
My wife and I own 2 businesses in NYS and I know several other business owners.
It is truly amazing how things are done in other states. Just a mile South of where I live, taxes are less, regulations are less, leases are less........

I've own/run a side business for two decades now, and I can't compete with other businesses in other states due to taxes. I keep it open only if I decide to move. However I'm only doing the very bare minimal to keep things on the "books". The pandemic didn't affect me, but the regime in NYS has like a bloody leech.

 

[Criticalt]

I've own/run a side business for two decades now, and I can't compete with other businesses in other states due to taxes. I keep it open only if I decide to move. However I'm only doing the very bare minimal to keep things on the "books". The pandemic didn't affect me, but the regime in NYS has like a bloody leech.

My wife makes and sells dog and cat "cookies" at craft fairs, farmers markets, festivals....you know, the weirdo vendors that travel the state like gypsies.
So get this.......
If you sell human cookies for human children, there are very few rules.
But, NY considers little cookies made with literally human food....flour, almond flour, baby food......but made specifically for dogs, animal feed.
So, for every flavor she needs to have a company do nutrient tests and they must be labeled on the bag.
Then NYS wants $100 a year for each flavor, size and shape. If she makes ONE batter but makes it into 2 shapes and sells them in 2 sized bags (4oz & 1lb), that's $400 a year for one flavor of dog treats. She makes 6-10 flavors in 2 size bags, but each flavor is one size and shape to save money. So, you get the same size treat for your Chihuahua as for your Great Dane. This alone has lost customers. Again, NYS wants $100 for each shape....made with the same dough.....from the same exact batch.
Again, for human children, no nutritional information and no $100 a year for anything.
These cookies are $8 for 2 dozen little dog treats. They are NOT considered animal feed in any other state. NY is the ONLY state that considers dog TREATS as "animal feed".
As a veterinarian, I have a bit of knowledge about feed vs treats!
Now get this, if the dog cookies are made in another state, you don't need to pay NYS a cent. You still need the nutritional info to sell in NY, which is a one time $75 per flavor payment to a private lab of your choice unless you change ingredients.
This year we rented a kitchen in PA, about 15 miles from our house. This will save us about $3500 that NYS has got from us for 4 years.
Luckily she makes several thousand dollars a week from May-November when the vendor season is.
Sorry for the rant.

 

[Saltwater60]

My wife makes and sells dog and cat "cookies" at craft fairs, farmers markets, festivals....you know, the weirdo vendors that travel the state like gypsies.
So get this.......
If you sell human cookies for human children, there are very few rules.
But, NY considers little cookies made with literally human food....flour, almond flour, baby food......but made specifically for dogs, animal feed.
So, for every flavor she needs to have a company do nutrient tests and they must be labeled on the bag.
Then NYS wants $100 a year for each flavor, size and shape. If she makes ONE batter but makes it into 2 shapes and sells them in 2 sized bags (4oz & 1lb), that's $400 a year for one flavor of dog treats. She makes 6-10 flavors in 2 size bags, but each flavor is one size and shape to save money. So, you get the same size treat for your Chihuahua as for your Great Dane. This alone has lost customers. Again, NYS wants $100 for each shape....made with the same dough.....from the same exact batch.
Again, for human children, no nutritional information and no $100 a year for anything.
These cookies are $8 for 2 dozen little dog treats. They are NOT considered animal feed in any other state. NY is the ONLY state that considers dog TREATS as "animal feed".
As a veterinarian, I have a bit of knowledge about feed vs treats!
Now get this, if the dog cookies are made in another state, you don't need to pay NYS a cent. You still need the nutritional info to sell in NY, which is a one time $75 per flavor payment to a private lab of your choice unless you change ingredients.
This year we rented a kitchen in PA, about 15 miles from our house. This will save us about $3500 that NYS has got from us for 4 years.
Luckily she makes several thousand dollars a week from May-November when the vendor season is.
Sorry for the rant.

People wonder why people hate the government. I had no idea about this and it’s nuts. There are many things you can make in your home and sell to humans without getting permitted from the state.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

My wife makes and sells dog and cat "cookies" at craft fairs, farmers markets, festivals....you know, the weirdo vendors that travel the state like gypsies.
So get this.......
If you sell human cookies for human children, there are very few rules.
But, NY considers little cookies made with literally human food....flour, almond flour, baby food......but made specifically for dogs, animal feed.
So, for every flavor she needs to have a company do nutrient tests and they must be labeled on the bag.
Then NYS wants $100 a year for each flavor, size and shape. If she makes ONE batter but makes it into 2 shapes and sells them in 2 sized bags (4oz & 1lb), that's $400 a year for one flavor of dog treats. She makes 6-10 flavors in 2 size bags, but each flavor is one size and shape to save money. So, you get the same size treat for your Chihuahua as for your Great Dane. This alone has lost customers. Again, NYS wants $100 for each shape....made with the same dough.....from the same exact batch.
Again, for human children, no nutritional information and no $100 a year for anything.
These cookies are $8 for 2 dozen little dog treats. They are NOT considered animal feed in any other state. NY is the ONLY state that considers dog TREATS as "animal feed".
As a veterinarian, I have a bit of knowledge about feed vs treats!
Now get this, if the dog cookies are made in another state, you don't need to pay NYS a cent. You still need the nutritional info to sell in NY, which is a one time $75 per flavor payment to a private lab of your choice unless you change ingredients.
This year we rented a kitchen in PA, about 15 miles from our house. This will save us about $3500 that NYS has got from us for 4 years.
Luckily she makes several thousand dollars a week from May-November when the vendor season is.
Sorry for the rant.

Does she have to comply with FSMA and all that fun shit?

Just call those treats "Doggy Dope" or something, and I bet nobody would would bother her.

 

[Saltwater60]

Does she have to comply with FSMA and all that fun shit?

Just call those treats "Doggy Dope" or something, and I bet nobody would would bother her.

Correct. Anything with weed in it is t considered food. So edibles in NYS and weed brownies aren’t food.

 

[Jmac00]

From 12 years ago, John Stossel and the lemon aid stand

 

[Acer-m14]

AKA Cottage Laws​

Approved Home Processed Foods ( no License needed ) Things you can make and sell​

The home processor license exemption is limited to foods where there is not a history of food borne illness and the nature of the product makes the possibility of illness less likely.
In order to protect public health and to minimize the potential of food product adulteration, this exemption is restricted to the following approved non-potentially hazardous home processed foods.

• Breads
  • Breads containing fruits and/or vegetables are not allowed
• Rolls and/or cinnamon rolls
• Biscuits
• Bagels
• Muffins
• Doughnuts
• Cookies
• Baklava
• Biscotti
  • No chocolate or candy melts allowed for topping
• Cakes
• Cake pops
  • No chocolate or candy melts allowed for topping
• Cupcakes
• Brownies
• Double-crust fruit pies
• Scones
• Fruit jams, jellies, and marmalades made with high acid/low pH fruits
  • i.e. Apple, apricot, blackberry, blueberry, cherry, clementine, cranberry, currents, elderberry, grape, grapefruit, lemon, lime, nectarine, orange, peach, pear, pineapple, plum, raspberry and strawberry
• Repacking/blending of commercially dried spices or herbs
• Repackaging dried or dehydrated vegetables.
• Repackaging dried soup mixes
• Repackaging dried fruit
• Repackaging of dried pasta
  • The manufacturing and drying of pasta is prohibited
• Repackaging dry baking mixes
• Seasoning salt
• Fudge
• Popcorn/caramel corn
• Peanut brittle
• Rice Krispies treats
• Granola and trail mix (using commercially roasted nuts)
• Granola Bars (using commercially roasted nuts)
• Repacking candy (excluding chocolate)
  • Melting and/or repacking of exposed chocolates or chocolate-like candies is not allowed
• Waffle cones and Pizzelle
• Toffee/caramel apples
  • Candy melts are not allowed
• Confections
  • Includes toffees, caramels, hard candies
• Vegetable chips
  • Includes potato chips
• Crackers
• Pretzels

Any finished food product that requires refrigeration is not allowed to be produced as a Home Processor.

Home Processing

agriculture.ny.gov

if you want the low down on pets ..

Pet foods and pet treats can be made from the home, but require a separate registration.

Pet Food

All pet food and pet treat products must be registered prior to sale.

agriculture.ny.gov

 

[VietnamEraVet]

New York's poor business climate for manufacturing businesses principally contributed to my closing my two businesses and fleeing the state for the Carolinas back in 2018. While I miss friends and family who have stubbornly remained there, as well as the beauty of upstate; the great food, and other things, I absolutely DO NOT MISS the insane taxes; the brutally difficult anti-business climate; grossly overpaid so called public servants; the massive political and judicial corruption (that I have experienced firsthand from multiple lawsuits); all of the shitty roads and endless potholes; vehicle corrosion from all of the road salt; the high prices of things; the endless hidden and insidious taxes; and too much more to list here.

I go back to visit friends and family, but that is it. It was actually incredibly difficult to pull the plug; uproot everything; it was very financially difficult and probably even more emotionally difficult to leave family behind. After 60+ years living there, I was 100% certain that I had feet in cement and that I would not, - and could not ever leave NY. Until I did. You can too. You will look back and ask yourself why you ever stayed once you become a resident of Free America. And kick yourself for having stayed there for so long.

 

[Criticalt]

Does she have to comply with FSMA and all that fun shit?

Just call those treats "Doggy Dope" or something, and I bet nobody would would bother her.

No FDA or food safety.
It does not matter what they are called, NYS considers them animal feed. And animal feed is highly controlled, far more than human feed. I have no issue with that, without oversight, just imagine what scandalous companies would feed your pets.
But, there is a difference between animal FEED and animal TREATS in most states.
Feed gives your animal sustenance, treats are supplemental, with no significant nutritional value. This is how PA, Ohio Vermont, NJ, WV.....and most other states have it labled.
Those other states also do not make you put the nutritional value lables on TREATS, because they are not FEED.
NYS requires the nutritional label for all but raw meat ingredients. Absolutely ridiculous.
These treats my wife sells are meant as a once or twice a day treat, not sustenance.
Just NY being NY.

 

[Criticalt]

New York's poor business climate for manufacturing businesses principally contributed to my closing my two businesses and fleeing the state for the Carolinas back in 2018. While I miss friends and family who have stubbornly remained there, as well as the beauty of upstate; the great food, and other things, I absolutely DO NOT MISS the insane taxes; the brutally difficult anti-business climate; grossly overpaid so called public servants; the massive political and judicial corruption (that I have experienced firsthand from multiple lawsuits); all of the shitty roads and endless potholes; vehicle corrosion from all of the road salt; the high prices of things; the endless hidden and insidious taxes; and too much more to list here.

I go back to visit friends and family, but that is it. It was actually incredibly difficult to pull the plug; uproot everything; it was very financially difficult and probably even more emotionally difficult to leave family behind. After 60+ years living there, I was 100% certain that I had feet in cement and that I would not, - and could not ever leave NY. Until I did. You can too. You will look back and ask yourself why you ever stayed once you become a resident of Free America. And kick yourself for having stayed there for so long.

I forgot to say this......
A couple years ago I had the idea to say they were for humans, but EXCELLENT treats for your dog!!! With very clear packaging showing they were for your dog.
But, people being dumb, this would not have worked.
The treats are 100% fine for humans, but eith no sugar or salt, not very tasty.
The peanut butter ones are OK.

 

[FP1201]

People wonder why people hate the government. I had no idea about this and it’s nuts. There are many things you can make in your home and sell to humans without getting permitted from the state.

New York is about the worst for having non-producers, people NOT in the industry telling those that are how to run their Businesses...a best friend grows Apples and to hear the requirements of the State would make you instantly ask why the fuck do you even bother? The only ones worse than the State are Federal Agencies USDA/FDA/Sticking it your ass Agency/...

 

[OwnTheRide]

I forgot to say this......
A couple years ago I had the idea to say they were for humans, but EXCELLENT treats for your dog!!! With very clear packaging showing they were for your dog.
But, people being dumb, this would not have worked.
The treats are 100% fine for humans, but eith no sugar or salt, not very tasty.
The peanut butter ones are OK.

One Christmas, my neighbor dropped off a bag of gifts for the family. Included within were peanut butter balls with oats and honey and whatnot. They were delicious! I ate them all!

The next year, she dropped another bag off and mentioned to my daughter that she included the same peanut butter dog treats again.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Can we send all our prison incarceration work to Mexico?